Lions, tigers and babies....oh my? Which do you value more? State your political leanings please.

[RKMBrown]

You're wrong, we are but a type of animal.. all animals have a soul. Man's claim to be the only animal with a soul is just hubris.

Really? why do you think all animals have a soul?

Because I've had extremely intelligent pets that have expressed their feelings on numerous occasions. They show love, happiness, sadness... They even show superior intelligence, as compared to some humans.

God does not discuss the salvation of any living thing other than humans in the Bible.

Point?

Meaning, only human's get to "live forever" - all else is born and dies....

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

 

[Bonzi]

Really? why do you think all animals have a soul?

Because I've had extremely intelligent pets that have expressed their feelings on numerous occasions. They show love, happiness, sadness... They even show superior intelligence, as compared to some humans.

God does not discuss the salvation of any living thing other than humans in the Bible.

Point?

Meaning, only human's get to "live forever" - all else is born and dies....

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

 

[RKMBrown]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

 

[RKMBrown]

Because I've had extremely intelligent pets that have expressed their feelings on numerous occasions. They show love, happiness, sadness... They even show superior intelligence, as compared to some humans.

God does not discuss the salvation of any living thing other than humans in the Bible.

Point?

Meaning, only human's get to "live forever" - all else is born and dies....

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

 

[Bonzi]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

If you put that much emphasis on your dog, you have misplaced priorities. We need to talk.

 

[Bonzi]

God does not discuss the salvation of any living thing other than humans in the Bible.

Point?

Meaning, only human's get to "live forever" - all else is born and dies....

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

 

[RKMBrown]

Point?

Meaning, only human's get to "live forever" - all else is born and dies....

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

 

[RKMBrown]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

If you put that much emphasis on your dog, you have misplaced priorities. We need to talk.

Maybe you should ask for a sit down with Pope Francis so you can tell him all about how you are right and he is wrong.

All dogs go to heaven Pope Francis says animals will enter pearly gates RT News

 

[Bonzi]

Meaning, only human's get to "live forever" - all else is born and dies....

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

Did I say that? No.
It's what a glean from what I read in scripture.
I'm not trying to take about your "dream" - I'm just trying to speak truth to you - and maybe God can reveal to you that your priority should be with HIM! not things of this Earth.

 

[Bonzi]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

If you put that much emphasis on your dog, you have misplaced priorities. We need to talk.

Maybe you should ask for a sit down with Pope Francis so you can tell him all about how you are right and he is wrong.

All dogs go to heaven Pope Francis says animals will enter pearly gates RT News

The Pope! LOL! please don't get me started...

 

[Bonzi]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

If you put that much emphasis on your dog, you have misplaced priorities. We need to talk.

Maybe you should ask for a sit down with Pope Francis so you can tell him all about how you are right and he is wrong.

All dogs go to heaven Pope Francis says animals will enter pearly gates RT News

If only! I'd give top dollar to discuss theology with the Pope and be happy to point out the many false doctrines of Catholicism...

Where do I begin????

 

[RKMBrown]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

If you put that much emphasis on your dog, you have misplaced priorities. We need to talk.

Maybe you should ask for a sit down with Pope Francis so you can tell him all about how you are right and he is wrong.

All dogs go to heaven Pope Francis says animals will enter pearly gates RT News

If only! I'd give top dollar to discuss theology with the Pope and be happy to point out the many false doctrines of Catholicism...

Where do I begin????

How about starting at ... he might be more of an expert on the bible than you?

 

[RKMBrown]

I believe that was a differentiation between humans that are saved or not... not a point that animals do not have a spirit.

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

Did I say that? No.
It's what a glean from what I read in scripture.
I'm not trying to take about your "dream" - I'm just trying to speak truth to you - and maybe God can reveal to you that your priority should be with HIM! not things of this Earth.

And I quoted the scripture from Ecclesiastes. Perhaps you can explain how that part of the bible was wrong.

 

[Bonzi]

Well when I die I hope my dog is there.. otherwise it would not be the heaven I'm hoping for.

If you put that much emphasis on your dog, you have misplaced priorities. We need to talk.

Maybe you should ask for a sit down with Pope Francis so you can tell him all about how you are right and he is wrong.

All dogs go to heaven Pope Francis says animals will enter pearly gates RT News

If only! I'd give top dollar to discuss theology with the Pope and be happy to point out the many false doctrines of Catholicism...

Where do I begin????

How about he might be more of an expert on the bible than you?

the person with most close relationship with God is what counts.
Not knowledge.
a person with a learning disability with a close walk with God is more reliable than anyone with textbook knowledge....

 

[Bonzi]

Only God knows, I'm just saying, don't expect to see Fido in heaven....

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

Did I say that? No.
It's what a glean from what I read in scripture.
I'm not trying to take about your "dream" - I'm just trying to speak truth to you - and maybe God can reveal to you that your priority should be with HIM! not things of this Earth.

And I quoted the scripture from Ecclesiastes. Perhaps you can explain how that part of the bible was wrong.

I apologize that I missed the scripture from Ecclesiastes you quoted, and can you tell me the post # or restate? I can't seem to find it....

 

[RKMBrown]

You must be talking about hell.. in my heaven my puppies are right beside me playing and frolicking.

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

Did I say that? No.
It's what a glean from what I read in scripture.
I'm not trying to take about your "dream" - I'm just trying to speak truth to you - and maybe God can reveal to you that your priority should be with HIM! not things of this Earth.

And I quoted the scripture from Ecclesiastes. Perhaps you can explain how that part of the bible was wrong.

I apologize that I missed the scripture from Ecclesiastes you quoted, and can you tell me the post # or restate? I can't seem to find it....

Np..
Here I'll put down the whole chapter and verse from Ecclesiastes 3:
Ecclesiastes 3 ESV - A Time for Everything - For everything - Bible Gateway

A Time for Everything
3 For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:

2 a time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
3 a time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 a time to seek, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 a time to tear, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 a time to love, and a time to hate;
a time for war, and a time for peace.
The God-Given Task
9 What gain has the worker from his toil? 10 I have seen the business that God has given to the children of man to be busy with. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end. 12 I perceived that there is nothing better for them than to be joyful and to do good as long as they live; 13 also that everyone should eat and drink and take pleasure in all his toil—this is God's gift to man.

14 I perceived that whatever God does endures forever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it. God has done it, so that people fear before him. 15 That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.[a]

From Dust to Dust
16 Moreover, I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness. 17 I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every matter and for every work. 18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him?

 

[Bonzi]

but it's NOT your heaven.
It's GOD's heaven

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

Did I say that? No.
It's what a glean from what I read in scripture.
I'm not trying to take about your "dream" - I'm just trying to speak truth to you - and maybe God can reveal to you that your priority should be with HIM! not things of this Earth.

And I quoted the scripture from Ecclesiastes. Perhaps you can explain how that part of the bible was wrong.

I apologize that I missed the scripture from Ecclesiastes you quoted, and can you tell me the post # or restate? I can't seem to find it....

Np..
Here I'll put down the whole chapter and verse from Ecclesiastes 3:
Ecclesiastes 3 ESV - A Time for Everything - For everything - Bible Gateway

A Time for Everything
3 For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:

2 a time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
3 a time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 a time to seek, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 a time to tear, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 a time to love, and a time to hate;
a time for war, and a time for peace.
The God-Given Task
9 What gain has the worker from his toil? 10 I have seen the business that God has given to the children of man to be busy with. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end. 12 I perceived that there is nothing better for them than to be joyful and to do good as long as they live; 13 also that everyone should eat and drink and take pleasure in all his toil—this is God's gift to man.

14 I perceived that whatever God does endures forever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it. God has done it, so that people fear before him. 15 That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.[a]

From Dust to Dust
16 Moreover, I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness. 17 I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every matter and for every work. 18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him?

Yes there are some similarities and differences. As the writer of Ecclesiastes reveals, in both humans and animals, death is certain; their bodies die and return to dust.
However, the writer also says they are different, saying of mankind, "And the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it" (Eccl 12:&7). Animals do not have immortal souls (Eccl 3:21), which will be judged (Eccl. 11:9). The Bible does not mention a hell for animals. Scripture does not say of animals to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8). Nor does it speak of their resurrection (John 5: 2-29 and Rev. 20: 4-6) or new bodies. So, there are some substantial differences between humans and animals.

 

[BlindBoo]

Well, the Lion has no soul.

But, the Babies are in heaven... but, they had a right to live.....

Humans will always take precedence over animals.
nothing or more annoying that $ being spent on animals.

You're wrong, we are but a type of animal.. all animals have a soul. Man's claim to be the only animal with a soul is just hubris.

Really? why do you think all animals have a soul?

Because I've had extremely intelligent pets that have expressed their feelings on numerous occasions. They show love, happiness, sadness... They even show superior intelligence, as compared to some humans.

God does not discuss the salvation of any living thing other than humans in the Bible.

The Bible was written by men.

You're wrong, we are but a type of animal.. all animals have a soul. Man's claim to be the only animal with a soul is just hubris.

Really? why do you think all animals have a soul?

Because I've had extremely intelligent pets that have expressed their feelings on numerous occasions. They show love, happiness, sadness... They even show superior intelligence, as compared to some humans.

Does that mean they have souls.....? We won't know till we die anyway.....

Define soul.

Only God can say, but, the Bible outlines how HUMANS ONLY can have everlasting life.
God is just, so, why would he "save" all animals, but, save only certain humans?

I believe they go to a place called Rainbow Bridge.

"....
They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent. His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...

The Rainbow Bridge Poem - The beautiful journey of a pet after death.

 

[RKMBrown]

So god has talked to you and told you, personally, that there are no animals in heaven?

Did I say that? No.
It's what a glean from what I read in scripture.
I'm not trying to take about your "dream" - I'm just trying to speak truth to you - and maybe God can reveal to you that your priority should be with HIM! not things of this Earth.

And I quoted the scripture from Ecclesiastes. Perhaps you can explain how that part of the bible was wrong.

I apologize that I missed the scripture from Ecclesiastes you quoted, and can you tell me the post # or restate? I can't seem to find it....

Np..
Here I'll put down the whole chapter and verse from Ecclesiastes 3:
Ecclesiastes 3 ESV - A Time for Everything - For everything - Bible Gateway

A Time for Everything
3 For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:

2 a time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
3 a time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 a time to seek, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 a time to tear, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 a time to love, and a time to hate;
a time for war, and a time for peace.
The God-Given Task
9 What gain has the worker from his toil? 10 I have seen the business that God has given to the children of man to be busy with. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end. 12 I perceived that there is nothing better for them than to be joyful and to do good as long as they live; 13 also that everyone should eat and drink and take pleasure in all his toil—this is God's gift to man.

14 I perceived that whatever God does endures forever; nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it. God has done it, so that people fear before him. 15 That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.[a]

From Dust to Dust
16 Moreover, I saw under the sun that in the place of justice, even there was wickedness, and in the place of righteousness, even there was wickedness. 17 I said in my heart, God will judge the righteous and the wicked, for there is a time for every matter and for every work. 18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him?

Yes there are some similarities and differences. As the writer of Ecclesiastes reveals, in both humans and animals, death is certain; their bodies die and return to dust.
However, the writer also says they are different, saying of mankind, "And the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it" (Eccl 12:&7). Animals do not have immortal souls (Eccl 3:21), which will be judged (Eccl. 11:9). The Bible does not mention a hell for animals. Scripture does not say of animals to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8). Nor does it speak of their resurrection (John 5: 2-29 and Rev. 20: 4-6) or new bodies. So, there are some substantial differences between humans and animals.

Yet, Eccl 3:21 does not say "Animals do not have immortal souls" quite the opposite it says "Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? "

Is there are particular reason you feel the need to rewrite the bible to make your point?

 

[Moonglow]

I am firmly against both..


.Do I get a prize?