Lois Lerner to take the 5th. Again.

[The Rabbi]

Again, the key words being BOGUS exemptions.

This is what you guys don't get. The TEabaggers were applying for exemptions they simply were not entitled to.

You're making shit up. How many of the applications were rejected? Yeah none. But they were held up while subjected to scrutiny that no one else got.
You keep changing the subject eveyr time your ass is handed to you. That indicates you've lost the debate.

No, they were told to reapply with the right documentation.

Or what the correct exemption to apply for was.

These groups COULD have applied for 527 exemptions. But that would mean they'd have to disclose how much money the Koch Brothers were funnelling into their "Grassroots" organizations.

Hmmmm....

Making stuff up again. The applications were delayed. Intentionally. They were asked illegal questions no other group was asked.
But I need my head examined for trying to argue with a lo-lo who makes things up as he sees fit.

 

[JoeB131]

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Making stuff up again. The applications were delayed. Intentionally. They were asked illegal questions no other group was asked.
But I need my head examined for trying to argue with a lo-lo who makes things up as he sees fit.

and these were bad things, why?

 

[Oldstyle]

[q

Making stuff up again. The applications were delayed. Intentionally. They were asked illegal questions no other group was asked.
But I need my head examined for trying to argue with a lo-lo who makes things up as he sees fit.

and these were bad things, why?

Because the IRS is supposed to be nonpartisan? In this case you had Lerner specifically targeting conservative groups with treatment that was not given to liberal groups. If you can't understand why that's both wrong and extremely dangerous then you're either wearing political blinders or you are stupid. When the people who run the government can use the IRS to harm the opposition we've taken a giant step away from democracy. This SHOULD be something that intelligent people decry no matter their political affiliation because it takes power away from the American people and gives it to politicians.

You're willing to look the other way, Joe because it benefited your political views "now" but you're too myopic to realize that what Lerner did to aid liberals this time could very well be used against liberals some time in the future.

 

[The Rabbi]

[q

Making stuff up again. The applications were delayed. Intentionally. They were asked illegal questions no other group was asked.
But I need my head examined for trying to argue with a lo-lo who makes things up as he sees fit.

and these were bad things, why?

Because the IRS is supposed to be nonpartisan? In this case you had Lerner specifically targeting conservative groups with treatment that was not given to liberal groups. If you can't understand why that's both wrong and extremely dangerous then you're either wearing political blinders or you are stupid. When the people who run the government can use the IRS to harm the opposition we've taken a giant step away from democracy. This SHOULD be something that intelligent people decry no matter their political affiliation because it takes power away from the American people and gives it to politicians.

You're willing to look the other way, Joe because it benefited your political views "now" but you're too myopic to realize that what Lerner did to aid liberals this time could very well be used against liberals some time in the future.

And if that happens it will constitute a fundamental threat to our government and way of life and Pres GOP must be impeached immediately.
You're assuming Dems have some kind of principle that goes above "my team is best." They dont.

 

[JoeB131]

[q

Making stuff up again. The applications were delayed. Intentionally. They were asked illegal questions no other group was asked.
But I need my head examined for trying to argue with a lo-lo who makes things up as he sees fit.

and these were bad things, why?

Because the IRS is supposed to be nonpartisan? In this case you had Lerner specifically targeting conservative groups with treatment that was not given to liberal groups. If you can't understand why that's both wrong and extremely dangerous then you're either wearing political blinders or you are stupid. When the people who run the government can use the IRS to harm the opposition we've taken a giant step away from democracy. This SHOULD be something that intelligent people decry no matter their political affiliation because it takes power away from the American people and gives it to politicians.

You're willing to look the other way, Joe because it benefited your political views "now" but you're too myopic to realize that what Lerner did to aid liberals this time could very well be used against liberals some time in the future.

Guy, I'm a lifelong republican, and the TEA Party is the worst thing that has ever happened to the GOP. When I vote in GOP primaries, instead of voting "Whose the most qualified", i end up voting, "Whose the Least Batshit Crazy".

Republicans should be THANKING Obama for sandbagging the TEA Party.

And I have no doubt that if the GOP got back into power, I owuldn't be worried that some Democratic group not getting a tax dodge.

The GOP has sooooo many other ways to fuck things up. Wars, Recessions, Deregulation. NOt getting a tax exemption would really be the thing I would be least worried about.

 

[Redfish]

and these were bad things, why?

Because the IRS is supposed to be nonpartisan? In this case you had Lerner specifically targeting conservative groups with treatment that was not given to liberal groups. If you can't understand why that's both wrong and extremely dangerous then you're either wearing political blinders or you are stupid. When the people who run the government can use the IRS to harm the opposition we've taken a giant step away from democracy. This SHOULD be something that intelligent people decry no matter their political affiliation because it takes power away from the American people and gives it to politicians.

You're willing to look the other way, Joe because it benefited your political views "now" but you're too myopic to realize that what Lerner did to aid liberals this time could very well be used against liberals some time in the future.

Guy, I'm a lifelong republican, and the TEA Party is the worst thing that has ever happened to the GOP. When I vote in GOP primaries, instead of voting "Whose the most qualified", i end up voting, "Whose the Least Batshit Crazy".

Republicans should be THANKING Obama for sandbagging the TEA Party.

And I have no doubt that if the GOP got back into power, I owuldn't be worried that some Democratic group not getting a tax dodge.

The GOP has sooooo many other ways to fuck things up. Wars, Recessions, Deregulation. NOt getting a tax exemption would really be the thing I would be least worried about.

Yeah, right. and I am the reincarnation of ghengis khan. The teaparty is the only thing making the GOP viable. it would be dem 2 but for the teaparty.

Lerner took the fifth because she, her bosses, holder, and obama are guilty of breaking federal law. She could not testify without putting all of them in jail.

 

[paperview]

Cons love them their Star Chambers.

Noboutadoubtit.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Cons love them their Star Chambers.

Noboutadoubtit.

Total doubt about it.

In reality, it's you lolberals who love star chamber "justice."

 

[Redfish]

Cons love them their Star Chambers.

Noboutadoubtit.

Really??? care to discuss how the ACA bill was written and passed? hmmmmmm?

Innocent people do not need to take the fifth---telling the truth cannot incriminate an innocent person.

 

[JoeB131]

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Yeah, right. and I am the reincarnation of ghengis khan. The teaparty is the only thing making the GOP viable. it would be dem 2 but for the teaparty.

you mean a sensible party not run by crazy people who want to do the jobs they were elected to do? SOrry, you see, I remember when the Republicans WERE a sensible party that put up sensible candidates.

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Lerner took the fifth because she, her bosses, holder, and obama are guilty of breaking federal law. She could not testify without putting all of them in jail.

Okay, I realize you are like a special retard, so I'll try this slowly.

Issa and his Committee have every memo, every e-mail, every record related to this. There really isn't anything Lerner isn't going to testify to that they don't already know. And if they knew anything that would put her in jail, they'd have put it out there already.

NO, you see, what Issa wants is the applause of dumb shits like you. He wants a sound byte.

FOrtunately, because he's kind of a hack, he's actually helping Lerner by making her look sympathetic.

 

[Oldstyle]

and these were bad things, why?

Because the IRS is supposed to be nonpartisan? In this case you had Lerner specifically targeting conservative groups with treatment that was not given to liberal groups. If you can't understand why that's both wrong and extremely dangerous then you're either wearing political blinders or you are stupid. When the people who run the government can use the IRS to harm the opposition we've taken a giant step away from democracy. This SHOULD be something that intelligent people decry no matter their political affiliation because it takes power away from the American people and gives it to politicians.

You're willing to look the other way, Joe because it benefited your political views "now" but you're too myopic to realize that what Lerner did to aid liberals this time could very well be used against liberals some time in the future.

Guy, I'm a lifelong republican, and the TEA Party is the worst thing that has ever happened to the GOP. When I vote in GOP primaries, instead of voting "Whose the most qualified", i end up voting, "Whose the Least Batshit Crazy".

Republicans should be THANKING Obama for sandbagging the TEA Party.

And I have no doubt that if the GOP got back into power, I owuldn't be worried that some Democratic group not getting a tax dodge.

The GOP has sooooo many other ways to fuck things up. Wars, Recessions, Deregulation. NOt getting a tax exemption would really be the thing I would be least worried about.

I'm curious, Joe...do you think that "saying" you're a Republican when all you do is attack the GOP makes you more believable? Why exactly is it that you ARE a Republican when you hate everything about them and love everything about liberals? I mean REALLY?

 

[The Rabbi]

Cons love them their Star Chambers.

Noboutadoubtit.

What did you say, you raging yeast-infected moron?
Secret Court Approves Obama?s Changes to NSA Phone Sweeps - NationalJournal.com

 

[JoeB131]

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I'm curious, Joe...do you think that "saying" you're a Republican when all you do is attack the GOP makes you more believable? Why exactly is it that you ARE a Republican when you hate everything about them and love everything about liberals? I mean REALLY?

I attack the GOP for the things it SHOULD be attacked on.

Namely-

1) Taking the side of the wealthy over working folks
2) Letting the Batshit-Crazy religious nutjobs have too much power.

Now, yeah, I partly changed my mind because my last job experience (the one where I was fired by a Romney SUpporter after six years of service because I had medical issues and ran up too many medical bills on their insurance.)

But I also realize, the GOP is not the GOP I joined in 1980.

Basically, when you nominate a guy who thinks he's wearing MAGIC UNDERWEAR and he was the sanest of the lot you had up, you guys have definitely lost the plot.

Just saying.

 

[JoeB131]

Cons love them their Star Chambers.

Noboutadoubtit.

Really??? care to discuss how the ACA bill was written and passed? hmmmmmm?

Innocent people do not need to take the fifth---telling the truth cannot incriminate an innocent person.

another COnstitution Loving COnservatard who doesn't understand why the Fifth Amendment is in the constitution.

Got to love it!

 

[depotoo]

Bull shit. They have withheld documents. But my telling you that won't change your lying about it. But for the record for others, it is bull.

[

Yeah, right. and I am the reincarnation of ghengis khan. The teaparty is the only thing making the GOP viable. it would be dem 2 but for the teaparty.

you mean a sensible party not run by crazy people who want to do the jobs they were elected to do? SOrry, you see, I remember when the Republicans WERE a sensible party that put up sensible candidates.

[
Lerner took the fifth because she, her bosses, holder, and obama are guilty of breaking federal law. She could not testify without putting all of them in jail.

Okay, I realize you are like a special retard, so I'll try this slowly.

Issa and his Committee have every memo, every e-mail, every record related to this. There really isn't anything Lerner isn't going to testify to that they don't already know. And if they knew anything that would put her in jail, they'd have put it out there already.

NO, you see, what Issa wants is the applause of dumb shits like you. He wants a sound byte.

FOrtunately, because he's kind of a hack, he's actually helping Lerner by making her look sympathetic.

 

[Oldstyle]

[

I'm curious, Joe...do you think that "saying" you're a Republican when all you do is attack the GOP makes you more believable? Why exactly is it that you ARE a Republican when you hate everything about them and love everything about liberals? I mean REALLY?

I attack the GOP for the things it SHOULD be attacked on.

Namely-

1) Taking the side of the wealthy over working folks
2) Letting the Batshit-Crazy religious nutjobs have too much power.

Now, yeah, I partly changed my mind because my last job experience (the one where I was fired by a Romney SUpporter after six years of service because I had medical issues and ran up too many medical bills on their insurance.)

But I also realize, the GOP is not the GOP I joined in 1980.

Basically, when you nominate a guy who thinks he's wearing MAGIC UNDERWEAR and he was the sanest of the lot you had up, you guys have definitely lost the plot.

Just saying.

So you hate the GOP because a guy who fired you happened to be a Republican? Seriously?

"...you guys have definitely lost the plot." Funny thing, Joe...you refer to the GOP as "you guys" while you repeatedly state that YOU are a Republican...a claim which is laughable at this point. You may have been a conservative back in 1980 but you're a card carrying progressive in 2014. Show some character and admit to what you are!

The GOP nominated the most moderate candidate running...just as they did in the election BEFORE this one. The truth is that Mitt Romney's "religion" was a non-issue when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. He didn't get slandered with nonsense like "MAGIC UNDERWEAR" until he decided to run for President against Barack Obama...just as John McCain got slandered when HE ran against Obama.

Both Romney and McCain were moderates and it is the guy sitting in the Oval Office who was from the extreme fringe of his party.

 

[The Rabbi]

[

I'm curious, Joe...do you think that "saying" you're a Republican when all you do is attack the GOP makes you more believable? Why exactly is it that you ARE a Republican when you hate everything about them and love everything about liberals? I mean REALLY?

I attack the GOP for the things it SHOULD be attacked on.

Namely-

1) Taking the side of the wealthy over working folks
2) Letting the Batshit-Crazy religious nutjobs have too much power.

Now, yeah, I partly changed my mind because my last job experience (the one where I was fired by a Romney SUpporter after six years of service because I had medical issues and ran up too many medical bills on their insurance.)

But I also realize, the GOP is not the GOP I joined in 1980.

Basically, when you nominate a guy who thinks he's wearing MAGIC UNDERWEAR and he was the sanest of the lot you had up, you guys have definitely lost the plot.

Just saying.

So you hate the GOP because a guy who fired you happened to be a Republican? Seriously?

"...you guys have definitely lost the plot." Funny thing, Joe...you refer to the GOP as "you guys" while you repeatedly state that YOU are a Republican...a claim which is laughable at this point. You may have been a conservative back in 1980 but you're a card carrying progressive in 2014. Show some character and admit to what you are!

The GOP nominated the most moderate candidate running...just as they did in the election BEFORE this one. The truth is that Mitt Romney's "religion" was a non-issue when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. He didn't get slandered with nonsense like "MAGIC UNDERWEAR" until he decided to run for President against Barack Obama...just as John McCain got slandered when HE ran against Obama.

Both Romney and McCain were moderates and it is the guy sitting in the Oval Office who was from the extreme fringe of his party.

Joe is butthurt that he was fired, probably for incompetence and malingering. That's the only salient thing. He thinks it shouldn't matter. His intentions were good. That's what makes him a Democrat.

 

[JoeB131]

A long answer, which will probably fall on deaf ears... but here goes.

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So you hate the GOP because a guy who fired you happened to be a Republican? Seriously?

No, he happened to be an asshole who justified his bad treatmetn of employees with "Good thing I don't have to deal with a union!" You see, what I figured out is the the GOP works for guys like that, not guys like me. Oh, they try to keep guys like me upset about abortion and gay marriage and shit like that, but oddly, never make any progress on them. So oddly enough, I am not concerned about them, because, frankly, getting screwed over by a company after I got sick became a bigger deal in my life than whether total strangers have abortions or anal sex.

[
"...you guys have definitely lost the plot." Funny thing, Joe...you refer to the GOP as "you guys" while you repeatedly state that YOU are a Republican...a claim which is laughable at this point. You may have been a conservative back in 1980 but you're a card carrying progressive in 2014. Show some character and admit to what you are!

Actually, I'm going to draw a Republican ballot today, and vote for Kurt Dillard over corporate raider Bruce Rauner, Kaifesh over Teabagger Gaol for Congress, and whoever isn't fucking Oberweis for Senate. (Why the Milk Dud doesn't take a hint is beyond me.) BUt, yeah, as long as the GOP keeps nominating crazies, I'll probably be voting for more Democrats.

Point is, the Sainted Reagan would be called a RINO by today's crazy GOP and you know it. Raising taxes, reforming social security, granting amnesty to illegals. YOu'd have fucking hung the guy.

The reality is, the Democrats are the sensible party, the GOP has been taken over by the nuts. Perhaps the oppossite of the situation in the 1980's when the HIppies took over the Democratic Party.

[
The GOP nominated the most moderate candidate running...just as they did in the election BEFORE this one. The truth is that Mitt Romney's "religion" was a non-issue when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. He didn't get slandered with nonsense like "MAGIC UNDERWEAR" until he decided to run for President against Barack Obama...just as John McCain got slandered when HE ran against Obama.

Actually, Romney's religion became an issue in 2008 and was brought up by Mike Huckabee and all the Evagelical Funditards who think Mormonism is a heresy. Of course, in 2012, they were perfectly happy to vote for the Heretic because "God Damn, there's a N****r in the White House!!!!"

OH, yeah, Mormons really believe they are wearing magic underwear and dozens of other batshit crazy things that should disqualify them from any public service or being let outside without adult supervision. Just sayin'.

And sorry, no one really "slandered" John McCain. John McCain was treated very respectfully, but the point is, he had to argue that the GOP knew what it was doing after Bush fucked up pretty much everything. OH, and he took a complete retard as a running mate. "Hey, I'm the oldest guy to ever run for this office, I have a history of cancer, and my running mate is stupider than a bag of hammers!"

[
Both Romney and McCain were moderates and it is the guy sitting in the Oval Office who was from the extreme fringe of his party.

Uh, no, not really. if Obama were "fringe", he'd support single payer, socialized medicine, not Romney's corporate welfare plan writ large.

If Obama were "Fringe", he'd support the nationalization of the Auto Industry and Banking INdustries, not bailing them out.

Now, i know you whack jobs scream all these code words like "Marxism" and "SOcialist" and "Keynan" because you can't say "n****r' in polite company. but really, in terms of policy, not so much.

As for McCain and Romney being moderate, the problem was, they had to run from their moderate histories. McCain had to run away from his very MODERATE amnesty plan (which, by the way, was FAR more draconian than the amnesty the Sainted Reagan supported.) Romney had to run away form his Health Care Reform plan.

You can't call yourself a moderate when you denounce the few good things you've done. Just saying. NOt to mention embracing the crazies on issues like gay marriage and abortion.

 

[JoeB131]

[

Joe is butthurt that he was fired, probably for incompetence and malingering. That's the only salient thing. He thinks it shouldn't matter. His intentions were good. That's what makes him a Democrat.

Actually, I got six years of exemplary reviews, and they had to pay me $10,000 in "Please don't sue us" money.

BUt, really, it isn't the firing that was the problem. It was everything that led up to it, every dumb ass office politics bullshit thing that happened because "I didn't have to deal with a union". So he fired folks who had been with his company when it was a little office and kept the people he just hired who would work for a lot less.

Oh, before he bailed on the sinking ship, the branch had gone from 45 million in revenues than less than 20, and from 65 employees to less than 30. He took a job with a vendor I discovered and built a relationsihp with, ironically enough.

 

[Redfish]

[

Joe is butthurt that he was fired, probably for incompetence and malingering. That's the only salient thing. He thinks it shouldn't matter. His intentions were good. That's what makes him a Democrat.

Actually, I got six years of exemplary reviews, and they had to pay me $10,000 in "Please don't sue us" money.

BUt, really, it isn't the firing that was the problem. It was everything that led up to it, every dumb ass office politics bullshit thing that happened because "I didn't have to deal with a union". So he fired folks who had been with his company when it was a little office and kept the people he just hired who would work for a lot less.

Oh, before he bailed on the sinking ship, the branch had gone from 45 million in revenues than less than 20, and from 65 employees to less than 30. He took a job with a vendor I discovered and built a relationsihp with, ironically enough.

tough shit, joe. No where is it written that life has to be FAIR. Grow some balls, put the bullshit behind you, and move on to better things.

Dwelling on this shit just turns you into a whining libtard.