Majority Of Americans Don't Know Thier History

[alang1216]

Oh hell, we have them all over the place.

There are contingents of Germans stationed at both Fort Bliss and Fort Sill for training German Air Defense forces. These units have been on those two bases for at least 50 years, possibly since the Bundeswehr was first constituted after WWII.

In fact, it was always amusing when we would have a major Change of Command ceremony there, and the German Contingent would be a part of it. And on the day of the ceremony after a week of practice the Clergy for the German Air Force would be there in his formal "Friar Tuck" outfit. In actual black cowl and robes, with a white rope belt and wood cross on twine around his neck. They had their own school on the base for their children, their own chapel, and there was always a large selection of foods from Germany at the commissary.

There are also permanently based personnel from the UK, Italy, Germany, and others at Holloman Air Force Base. When I was at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard we had permanent groups from both Taiwan and Japan there.

I'm guessing they are learning to use and maintain US-produced equipment we've sold them. Have they ever been trained or mobilized to keep order in the US?

 

[Mushroom]

I'm guessing they are learning to use and maintain US-produced equipment we've sold them. Have they ever been trained or mobilized to keep order in the US?

Of course not. Because to start with, that is not even the job of the US military. Only a handful of times has that ever happened in the US.

Because that is primarily the job of the National Guard. State Governors mobilize their own Soldiers as their Commander in Chief. Only in very rare instances do Active Duty personnel actually do things like that. The only times I can think of in even recent history outside of an actual war was in 1906 when soldiers from the Presidio mobilized after the San Francisco Earthquake without waiting for the request to filter from the Governor to the Federal level (which it was done and the Governor backdated it to make the early mobilization legal). And during the 1992 LA Riots when the Governor once again request Federal Assistance in securing parts of the city (and got mostly Marines from Camp Pendleton to assist).

And on occasion Western states have requested and gotten Federal Assistance for fighting wildfires. It seems like every other year some group from Camp Pendleton is mobilized to assist in one California fire or another.

Such would never happen, as they could never be ordered to do so in the first place. They are based on and train on our bases, but they fall absolutely nowhere in the "Chain of Command" to ever be ordered to do so, no matter what. Even if for some stupid reason the President even tried to order them to do so, they would most likely sit back and laugh as the US President has absolutely no authority to tell them to do anything. No more than say the Prime Minister of England could request a group of US Soldiers in their country to go out and do something. He is not in their Chain of Command at all, and has absolutely no authority to tell them to do anything.

 

[whoisit]

BS. You actually said: "Our leaders already have NATO troops and special forces right here on our soil in case they need them for marshall law". Sounds like they are stationed here permanently in case they are needed not here for temporary training. Were you mistaken then or are you mistaken now?

I knew they were not stationed here. Yet we do see UN vans all over America.

 

[Mushroom]

Another thing that often happens is that members of foreign militaries will be assigned as Liaisons to US forces. Sometimes even being assigned for months or years to lead US forces.

At Camp Lejeune it was common to see various NATO officers in the rank of US Captain (O-3) to be augmented to some Marine Battalion. Normally assigned as a Platoon Leader in some Marine Battalion, and that was their actual position for about a year or so. We had a Captain from Norway as the Platoon Commander in my Battalion for about 10 months in 1989. And seeing them on bases is not unusual, as we do the same thing in their country.

The idea is that they will gain experience in how we do things that they can take back to their own country, and the reverse with those of us that are augmented into their militaries. And most were expected to be "high risers", so in later years if they ever did have to fight together they would have a better understanding of what each country could do.

And then you have "Military Attache's", who often fill the same roles to a degree but at a much higher rank (generally O-6 Colonels and Navy Captains). Naval Attache's will even serve aboard ships in combat as observers, sometimes on both sides in the same engagement. During the Russo-Japanese War we had such serving on both Russian and Japanese ships. One of the most well known in the US was Captain Isotoku Yamamoto, who was stationed at several bases in the US and even attended such schools as the US Naval War College. And because of his time spent in the US, as an Admiral he was strongly against Japan going to war against the US and knew that ultimately they would lose. But this was ignored by the leadership, he did his duty with great reservations. And indeed Japan did lose the war as he predicted.

 

[Mushroom]

I knew they were not stationed here. Yet we do see UN vans all over America.

We do?

 

[whoisit]

We do?

Whoops they hid em.I just googled 'first mistake was using google,lol. It has been taken down I guess no longer could find it when I just looked.

 

[whoisit]

Another thing that often happens is that members of foreign militaries will be assigned as Liaisons to US forces. Sometimes even being assigned for months or years to lead US forces.

At Camp Lejeune it was common to see various NATO officers in the rank of US Captain (O-3) to be augmented to some Marine Battalion. Normally assigned as a Platoon Leader in some Marine Battalion, and that was their actual position for about a year or so. We had a Captain from Norway as the Platoon Commander in my Battalion for about 10 months in 1989. And seeing them on bases is not unusual, as we do the same thing in their country.

The idea is that they will gain experience in how we do things that they can take back to their own country, and the reverse with those of us that are augmented into their militaries. And most were expected to be "high risers", so in later years if they ever did have to fight together they would have a better understanding of what each country could do.

And then you have "Military Attache's", who often fill the same roles to a degree but at a much higher rank (generally O-6 Colonels and Navy Captains). Naval Attache's will even serve aboard ships in combat as observers, sometimes on both sides in the same engagement. During the Russo-Japanese War we had such serving on both Russian and Japanese ships. One of the most well known in the US was Captain Isotoku Yamamoto, who was stationed at several bases in the US and even attended such schools as the US Naval War College. And because of his time spent in the US, as an Admiral he was strongly against Japan going to war against the US and knew that ultimately they would lose. But this was ignored by the leadership, he did his duty with great reservations. And indeed Japan did lose the war as he predicted.

It was Yomamoto who was rumored to say "war with America is a bad idea, there is a gun under every blade of grass' is this correct?

 

[alang1216]

I knew they were not stationed here.

Right.

Yet we do see UN vans all over America.

More crap? Got a link? I hope these are not those:

Were UN Vehicles and Trucks Spotted in Southern States?​

UN vehicles and trucks spotted in the U.S. weren't purchased to address imminent economic collapse in America; they were built in Virginia for UN operations abroad.​

I hope someday you'll grow up and get tired of being played.

 

[Mushroom]

It was Yomamoto who was rumored to say "war with America is a bad idea, there is a gun under every blade of grass' is this correct?

No. That is one of many quotes attributed to him by Gordon Prange, a "historian" on Mac's staff. And he came up with a great many quotes like that he attributed to many Japanese officials that he claimed he found in "reports" after the war.

Here is the interesting thing, Mr. Prange did not read or speak Japanese. And nobody else has ever found those quotes, no matter how often they have looked. He is the sole source, and even Japanese historians have been unable to find most of them.

He is also the same "historian" that attributed the "Sleeping Giant" quote to the Admiral.

 

[Mushroom]

Whoops they hid em.I just googled 'first mistake was using google,lol. It has been taken down I guess no longer could find it when I just looked.

The biggest problem with using Google is that you also have to look at the source and determine if it is credible or not.

About a decade ago on several sites similar to this one I decided to have some fun, and reported on a "Chinese Invasion" coming to the US. It showed Chinese military equipment spotted and photographed as it was smuggled into the US, as well as Chinese soldiers in various locations. And the funny thing was, a lot of people ate it up and believed it.

However, I repeated the conspiracy nut claims, all the time knowing what they were spotting was equipment for the movie "Red Dawn".

Just because something is on Google, does not mean it is true. People really need to be careful and vette their sources.

 

[BackAgain]

You probably don't recall a lot of things.

Irrelevant and a dopey deflection effort. If YOU Are claiming that any such contention was made, then the onus is on YOU to point to it. You dumbass.

 

[GMCGeneral]

We celebrate every 4th of July
It is a festival of American greatness

Our First Amendment guarantees a Free Press
The duty of the free press is to report on what Government is doing wrong

The Lamestream press only do that when a Republican is in office. They are the propaganda arm of the Democrat party.

 

[DudleySmith]

Then there is every Thanksgiving where those on the right, John Stossel comes to mind first, want to proclaim that the colonists were all starving to death because they were socialist. The truth is Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay were both colonized through stock holding corporations and the colonists were starving because they were spending all their time trying to gather resources, like lumber, that they were shipping back to their corporate masters. They stopped starving when they told the corporate masters to go pound sand.

Yep. This Fun Fact is never pointed out, and neither is the fact that the 'limited liability' privilege wasn't extended to all shareholding companies except for a few who performed some sort of necessary public service by our allegedly 'libertarian' Founders. Shareholders in private companies were expected to pay their share of their company's debts, not run and hide behind bankruptcy courts and limited liability laws.

 

[Winston]

Yep. This Fun Fact is never pointed out, and neither is the fact that the 'limited liability' privilege wasn't extended to all shareholding companies except for a few who performed some sort of necessary public service by our allegedly 'libertarian' Founders. Shareholders in private companies were expected to pay their share of their company's debts, not run and hide behind bankruptcy courts and limited liability laws.

Your reply reminds me of a conversation I had with my father several years ago. He is a hard core Republican, while I have always been a firm Democrat, like my grandfather. At the time he was running the two family farms, my mother's parents and his parents. I asked him, if you borrow money to seed and fertilize your fields, and they fail, do you still have to pay? He replied that yes, he would. But then I turned the tables, I asked him, if you Dad borrowed money to seed and fertilize his fields, and they failed, would he have been responsible for the loan? The silence was deafening, and after a long pause he kind of mumbled, "no".

That is a change. In time past banks took on the risk of failure, rather it be crops, or a car that loses value. Today, that is not the case, which begs the question, what are they collecting interest for if not the risk of failure.

 

[whoisit]

No. That is one of many quotes attributed to him by Gordon Prange, a "historian" on Mac's staff. And he came up with a great many quotes like that he attributed to many Japanese officials that he claimed he found in "reports" after the war.

Here is the interesting thing, Mr. Prange did not read or speak Japanese. And nobody else has ever found those quotes, no matter how often they have looked. He is the sole source, and even Japanese historians have been unable to find most of them.

He is also the same "historian" that attributed the "Sleeping Giant" quote to the Admiral.

Well thats my history and I'm sticking to it. I think there is some truth in it. I'll check it out later,maybe.

 

[whoisit]

The biggest problem with using Google is that you also have to look at the source and determine if it is credible or not.

About a decade ago on several sites similar to this one I decided to have some fun, and reported on a "Chinese Invasion" coming to the US. It showed Chinese military equipment spotted and photographed as it was smuggled into the US, as well as Chinese soldiers in various locations. And the funny thing was, a lot of people ate it up and believed it.

However, I repeated the conspiracy nut claims, all the time knowing what they were spotting was equipment for the movie "Red Dawn".

Just because something is on Google, does not mean it is true. People really need to be careful and vette their sources.

What if we use 1950s and 60s history? Maybe before the commies took over DOE? I always loved it but memory ain't what it use to be.
One very interesting was about MaCarthism. Ever study that one?

 

[whoisit]

Your reply reminds me of a conversation I had with my father several years ago. He is a hard core Republican, while I have always been a firm Democrat, like my grandfather. At the time he was running the two family farms, my mother's parents and his parents. I asked him, if you borrow money to seed and fertilize your fields, and they fail, do you still have to pay? He replied that yes, he would. But then I turned the tables, I asked him, if you Dad borrowed money to seed and fertilize his fields, and they failed, would he have been responsible for the loan? The silence was deafening, and after a long pause he kind of mumbled, "no".

That is a change. In time past banks took on the risk of failure, rather it be crops, or a car that loses value. Today, that is not the case, which begs the question, what are they collecting interest for if not the risk of failure.

I think there is more to this claim than meets the eye.
What era do you speak of how old is the father?

 

[Mushroom]

One very interesting was about MaCarthism. Ever study that one?

You mean like how he single handedly destroyed the careers of hundreds of people in Hollywood?

Never mind that he was a Senator, and only investigated Government employees. And the Entertainment Industry was investigated by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). A permanent body founded and led by Democratic Congressman Ed Hart of New Jersey.

One of my favorite "trick questions" is to challenge people to name one person that Senator McCarthy had blackballed from Hollywood. And they simply can not believe that the real answer is "none". Not unlike when I ask them how much money was lost in the Stock Market Crash of 1929 )or indeed any such crash), and they can not understand that once again the answer is "none".

 

[whoisit]

You mean like how he single handedly destroyed the careers of hundreds of people in Hollywood?

Never mind that he was a Senator, and only investigated Government employees. And the Entertainment Industry was investigated by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). A permanent body founded and led by Democratic Congressman Ed Hart of New Jersey.

One of my favorite "trick questions" is to challenge people to name one person that Senator McCarthy had blackballed from Hollywood. And they simply can not believe that the real answer is "none". Not unlike when I ask them how much money was lost in the Stock Market Crash of 1929 )or indeed any such crash), and they can not understand that once again the answer is "none".

We had an indepth study on this on another site a few years ago, very interesting.
Seems most of what Macarthy was saying has now come to pass.

Our parents loved Edward Morror who was highly involved in media propaganda and a suspected member of HUAC,if memory serves me.

 

[Mushroom]

Our parents loved Edward Morror who was highly involved in media propaganda and a suspected member of HUAC,if memory serves me.

Do you mean Edward R. Murrow?

No, he was a journalist for CBS. He was actually beloved by the Democratic Party, and even was asked by them to run for the Senate in New York. But he also hated Senator McCarthy, and frequently is the one most associated with the end of his investigations. And he went after the Senator personally because of the suicide of a friend of his. Laurence Duggan, who worked at the State Department, after being questioned by the FBI that he might be a Soviet spy. Based on an accusation by Whittaker Chambers.

Murrow was one of those that stated a great many times after his death that Duggan was no Soviet Spy, and all claims that he was one were complete lies.

However, both the release of Venona intercepts released in the 1990s and the KGB archives themselves later revealed that Laurence Duggan was in fact a KGB operative.

In fact, he was one of several people to kill themselves within a 5 year period. Most related to the Alger Hiss investigation, or revealed by Whittaker Chambers.