Man Dies After Live-Streaming Self-Immolation Outside of Ex’s Bar

[yiostheoy]

Why would you want to change the electoral system ??

It helped us keep two wacko's out of The White House recently.

It protects the smaller states from the tyranny of the bigger ones.

It is a check and balance on overpopulation.

What?

It helped keep wackos out of the White House? Er... no it didn't, it put a wacko into the White House.

It doesn't protect the smaller states from tyranny of the bigger ones in the slightest. Spending on the US elections goes to swing states.

But, at the very least, I'm calling for Proportional Representation in House, which is divided up almost fairly in the first place and doesn't protect smaller states, as you claim.

The Presidency should also be done like this, because at present it's not one person, one vote, and it doesn't lead to the leader of the US being elected by the people of the US.

It's hardly a check and balance on overpopulation, it's just the right have realized that it favors them, and they don't want to lose their preferential treatment.

The wacko's that did not make it in were worse wacko's than the ones that did make it.

For all their ineptitude Dubya and Donnie are at least not anti gun. They both love their guns.

Again, are you making an argument? It's hard to tell.....

Your argument would appear to be, you are happy with any system which gives YOU what YOU want, and you're against one person, one vote.

It won't matter.

By the way the people don't vote directly.

Only indirectly.

The mentally ill apparently are not a big priority.

You do realize that's why I'm calling for direct elections, don't you?

Good luck with that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

France has a PR presidential election with a run off. Do you see the far right getting into power? No, neither do I.

Many countries have PR, and they have more political choice.

That was last weekend.

LePen lost.

The girlie-man won.

Well, last weekend, oh, and when her father won, and, er, every election since the system was introduced. So... what? You have a problem with the people making such a choice? You have a problem with one person, one vote?

Sorry you lost me again.

I get that you were sleeping under a rock for the past week though.

LePen lost.

The French have chosen to go the wimp road.

FYI.

So, you're just taking the piss, right?

You said you don't want Proportional Representation because crazies would win. I point out that in France crazies don't win.

You are belaboring your bad position.

Just give up.

Fine, I give up wasting my time with your nonsense. Bye.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Jared McLemore's Facebook Live video starts with him sitting cross legged in the parking lot outside Murphy's bar in Memphis, Tennessee. McLemore gets up after shortly leaving the frame and then returns to once again sit cross legged on the ground. He lifts a red jerry can and starts pouring a liquid—kerosene—on himself. The kerosene splashes around him as he shimmies over slightly.

A man, realizing what McLemore was about to do, flies into the frame in an attempt to kick the lighter out of his hand. His efforts are to no avail, the lighter goes off and the video becomes filled with flames and the screams of onlookers. McLemore, screaming, gets up and runs out of the frame. On camera, the flames from the excess kerosene continue to burn.

McLemore, 33, would die later that night from his burns.

While burning, McLemore allegedly ran into Murphy's where his ex Alyssa Moore, an audio engineer, was running the soundboard. According to WREG, McLemore had reportedly strangled Moore last year and twice threatened to kill her. McLemore was sentenced to probation for domestic assault and ordered to do mental health therapy—Moore also obtained a restraining order against him. On social media, McLemore stated he suffered from bipolar disorder.
Man Dies After Live-Streaming Self-Immolation Outside of Ex’s Bar

I hope they keep the live streaming up because it's the only way folks are going to really see the mental health issue.

But then people will dismiss mental health issues and just demand that such people end up in prison where they rot and then get released, then use this as an example of why you shouldn't be releasing prisoners.

They are dismissing them anyway. At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

 

[yiostheoy]

But then people will dismiss mental health issues and just demand that such people end up in prison where they rot and then get released, then use this as an example of why you shouldn't be releasing prisoners.

They are dismissing them anyway. At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

Pretty sure Reagan got rid of all Federal subsidies for the mentally ill.

It is strictly a state issue now. As it should be.

The Fed's have their fingers in too many pies already.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But then people will dismiss mental health issues and just demand that such people end up in prison where they rot and then get released, then use this as an example of why you shouldn't be releasing prisoners.

They are dismissing them anyway. At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

And you can see here just why the Republicans are fucking the US up and destroying lives.

 

[yiostheoy]

And you can see here just why the Republicans are fucking the US up and destroying lives.

From your plethora of graphs frigidweirdo all I can see is that we have a sever Negro and Injun problem in some states.

 

[Roudy]

Jared McLemore's Facebook Live video starts with him sitting cross legged in the parking lot outside Murphy's bar in Memphis, Tennessee. McLemore gets up after shortly leaving the frame and then returns to once again sit cross legged on the ground. He lifts a red jerry can and starts pouring a liquid—kerosene—on himself. The kerosene splashes around him as he shimmies over slightly.

A man, realizing what McLemore was about to do, flies into the frame in an attempt to kick the lighter out of his hand. His efforts are to no avail, the lighter goes off and the video becomes filled with flames and the screams of onlookers. McLemore, screaming, gets up and runs out of the frame. On camera, the flames from the excess kerosene continue to burn.

McLemore, 33, would die later that night from his burns.

While burning, McLemore allegedly ran into Murphy's where his ex Alyssa Moore, an audio engineer, was running the soundboard. According to WREG, McLemore had reportedly strangled Moore last year and twice threatened to kill her. McLemore was sentenced to probation for domestic assault and ordered to do mental health therapy—Moore also obtained a restraining order against him. On social media, McLemore stated he suffered from bipolar disorder.
Man Dies After Live-Streaming Self-Immolation Outside of Ex’s Bar

I hope they keep the live streaming up because it's the only way folks are going to really see the mental health issue.

There must have been too much chlorine in his gene pool.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And you can see here just why the Republicans are fucking the US up and destroying lives.

From your plethora of graphs frigidweirdo all I can see is that we have a sever Negro and Injun problem in some states.

Jezus, you're one of those people who keeps clicking the "funny" button. Dude, I really don't come on here for this fucking nonsense, so you're on the ignore list. Then I won't have to see your idiotic "funny" shit.

 

[yiostheoy]

And you can see here just why the Republicans are fucking the US up and destroying lives.

From your plethora of graphs frigidweirdo all I can see is that we have a sever Negro and Injun problem in some states.

Jezus, you're one of those people who keeps clicking the "funny" button. Dude, I really don't come on here for this fucking nonsense, so you're on the ignore list. Then I won't have to see your idiotic "funny" shit.

Boyz and girlz, I let frigidweirdo off my iggy list for Lent.

Although he is still rather irritating I have not yet seen enough cause to put him back on it.

 

[Virginia Mom]

They are dismissing them anyway. At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

And you can see here just why the Republicans are fucking the US up and destroying lives.

I haven't destroyed any lives and I haven't f'd anything up I guess when Clinton and Obama were president there were no mentally ill people on the streets, no hungry children, everything was just perfect. All our troubles just magically disappeared. and didn't reappear until Trump was elected president, so now everything is the republican's fault. So many people lie so easily, I wonder if they were never taught lying was wrong growing up.

 

[Disir]

They are dismissing them anyway. At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

Pretty sure Reagan got rid of all Federal subsidies for the mentally ill.

It is strictly a state issue now. As it should be.

The Fed's have their fingers in too many pies already.

After he championed them as governor.

 

[Disir]

...

With the political system as it is, with two parties controlling everything, with a few very rich people pumping money into the political system, with people being told what to think, mental illness ends up being brushed aside, or even worse, used for negative policies, as I explain before with the level of prisoners in the US at such a high level and about 50% of those people having mental illness, compared to the 25% rate of mental illness among the general population.

If you want to solve the problem of mental illness in the US, there is only one way. That way is to change the way people vote.

This is my opinion, you don't like it, you think it's off topic, you want to ignore, whatever, I don't care. This is my view on this issue.

Interesting thought.

My own view on this is simply out of Adam Smith's 1775 book, "Wealth Of Nations".

The issue is guns or butter.

The USA is simply wasting all its money on warfare and related expenditures and give-away's.

If there were more tax money available then it would be easy to allocate some to the sick-o's, as it were.

But as it is, this is not even possible so no sense in crying about it now.

Well yes, but also the solution to some things isn't always throwing more money at them, you also have to restructure the debate or in this case the topic of getting a better understanding of mental health issues open a debate within society.

In particular those with suicidal tendency are very often the most lonely people in the world, who feel they cannot tell people about their suffering, either because they think they'll be told to pull themselves together and/or snap out of it and/or that people will think they just want attention.

Beginning right there we need to change and restructure that situation, but to do so we need to educate people that these people have a serious illness and are also afraid of whats going on in their own minds....and they need someone to begin by just reaching out to them and giving them some of their time and not talking to them but just letting them talk and you listen and all of that costs no money, just a little bit of time.

No. I find it interesting that Austria has a public health care system. So, why all of the concern about money in the US?

Since, you aren't from here (cough) let me help you out. In both of the live streams this past year mental illness is an issue. Tennessee started closing the state hospitals but those beds were not replaced leaving about 560 beds. In fact, it was reported in 2015 that there were people in Shelby county jail that had been court ordered into a state hospital but had been waiting for over 120 days for a bed to open up. These people did not have insurance.

You know what's sick? Pretending that you can figure out a way around not paying for mental health care and that "just letting them talk" is a viable solution for those people that are very clearly in the middle of a psychotic break.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

And you can see here just why the Republicans are fucking the US up and destroying lives.

I haven't destroyed any lives and I haven't f'd anything up I guess when Clinton and Obama were president there were no mentally ill people on the streets, no hungry children, everything was just perfect. All our troubles just magically disappeared. and didn't reappear until Trump was elected president, so now everything is the republican's fault. So many people lie so easily, I wonder if they were never taught lying was wrong growing up.

The problem here might be that you think I'm a partisan hack. I'm not. Obama, Clinton, Bush etc were all part of the system that isn't working. I've said on this thread that the ONLY way to sort this problem out is to change the way people elect their representatives, because right now the "representatives" aren't representing the voters they're supposed to represent, and choice just isn't widely available. You can choose any car in any color as long as it's blue or red. Hardly much of a choice.

When you have more parties, then issues like mental health are more likely to take center stage at some point. The less viable parties there are, the more the "comfortable" issues are at the fore. In the US it's all about abortion, guns etc, and not the real issues.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I can't believe how stupid some leftists are. Changing the electoral college will have a positive impact on mental health they say lol.

It's unreal just how disconnected some of you are

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Every comment you've made illustrates you haven't a CLUE about mental health issues or the ability to get society to have an open debate about mental health issues.


EVERY comment you have made has been a purely political comment, including a favourite of the Left bringing up Gun Control.


You are a partisan hack who doesn't know a thing about the complex issues involving either mental health or the unfortunate souls in this world who suffer very often in silence.

Great post.


It's basically "You know nothing about this, [insert insult]"


So, if you know so fucking much about this, why does every post you write on this issue end up being an attack on the person, and not talking about the issues?

I have read every single post Disir has made in this thread and not one post illustrates that they know anything about either the causes of mental health or how to combat mental health issues or how to draw attention to the issue of mental health in general.


I have though read a lot of political stuff and as I said that old favourite the Gun Control issue.


The Gun Control issue is especially absurd in this thread, as the man in the OP set himself on fire and also there are a variety of ways you can commit suicide from hanging yourself to slitting your throat to throwing yourself off a tall building to jumping off a bridge and none of those methods involve the use of a gun.


The Gun Control issue is a purely partisan political point reserved only for the Leftists.

So this explains why you attacked me then with exactly the same attack as you attacked Disir with?


Or hey, how about this, stop attacking people and stick to the topic. Whether you think he knows nothing about the topic or not is neither here nor there.

I have made numerous posts in this thread about the topic of mental health and suicide.


You must have reading comprehension problems or need new contact lenses if you've missed my numerous posts.

Yes, maybe I have a reading comprehension problem.

you partisan hack.

So take your partisan hack buttocks elsewhere.

You people are sick and deranged yourselves.

the partisan hacks in this thread like the sicko who posted the OP.

you are a sick degenerate, now go and watch your Snuff Films freak.

Yes, maybe when I read these insults, I should actually have read "Oh, I disagree with you, but you are a wonderful person", oh, how bad is my reading?

I stand by all my comments in this thread, my constructive and informative comments and all those comments you highlight.

I don't care what you think you partisan hack, go and play politics with a political topic and leave politics out of mental health and suicide discussions.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I can't believe how stupid some leftists are. Changing the electoral college will have a positive impact on mental health they say lol.

It's unreal just how disconnected some of you are

That's FrigidWeirdo who says they're not playing politics and can't be a partisan hack, they only suggested in their first post that everyone on the Right doesn't care about people with mental health issues and just want to put those people in prison and then in a subsequent post they said that changing the American Electoral College would help people who have mental health issues.

Yes I mean nothing political about the partisan political hack FrigidWeirdo's comments at all

;Leftists are perverted, they'll use anything to score a few political points, disgusting.

Some issues transcend politics, paedophilia, cruelty to animals, mental health issues and suicide are just a few.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It's surprising that the left would even obect to streaming immolation.

Do you believe that people have a right to choose their own manner and place of death?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

It's surprising that the left would even obect to streaming immolation.

Do you believe that people have a right to choose their own manner and place of death?

I commented last night that every person has the human right to self-determination, so yes people should have a right to choose their own manner of death and place of death.

I support Assisted Suicide for those people who are terminally sick, I think it's the greatest cruelty telling those people they have to suffer in excruciating pain for months until they die.

I support Assisted Suicide and Dying with Dignity.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Great post.


It's basically "You know nothing about this, [insert insult]"


So, if you know so fucking much about this, why does every post you write on this issue end up being an attack on the person, and not talking about the issues?

I have read every single post Disir has made in this thread and not one post illustrates that they know anything about either the causes of mental health or how to combat mental health issues or how to draw attention to the issue of mental health in general.


I have though read a lot of political stuff and as I said that old favourite the Gun Control issue.


The Gun Control issue is especially absurd in this thread, as the man in the OP set himself on fire and also there are a variety of ways you can commit suicide from hanging yourself to slitting your throat to throwing yourself off a tall building to jumping off a bridge and none of those methods involve the use of a gun.


The Gun Control issue is a purely partisan political point reserved only for the Leftists.

So this explains why you attacked me then with exactly the same attack as you attacked Disir with?


Or hey, how about this, stop attacking people and stick to the topic. Whether you think he knows nothing about the topic or not is neither here nor there.

I have made numerous posts in this thread about the topic of mental health and suicide.


You must have reading comprehension problems or need new contact lenses if you've missed my numerous posts.

Yes, maybe I have a reading comprehension problem.

you partisan hack.

So take your partisan hack buttocks elsewhere.

You people are sick and deranged yourselves.

the partisan hacks in this thread like the sicko who posted the OP.

you are a sick degenerate, now go and watch your Snuff Films freak.

Yes, maybe when I read these insults, I should actually have read "Oh, I disagree with you, but you are a wonderful person", oh, how bad is my reading?

I stand by all my comments in this thread, my constructive and informative comments and all those comments you highlight.

I don't care what you think you partisan hack, go and play politics with a political topic and leave politics out of mental health and suicide discussions.

Thanks for the laugh. Thanks for showing us what you're made of.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

They are dismissing them anyway. At this point, what do we really have to lose?

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Yes, the right will dismiss mental health issues and use them for their own political advantage. How do you change this? Well, it's hard.

The problem isn't just mental health issues, the problem is the system. Until the system changes, nothing else will change. Until there is one person, one vote, then the main two parties stay in charge and continue their partisan bullshit approach to politics.

That's why I support Proportional Representation, it's a change for real politics to come through, for those who are interested in making the country a better place to be able to get into politics and stand in a party that isn't out for its own interests.

Can you vote away mental illness?

This crazy man tried to strangle his ex girlfriend. His killing himself wasn't a bad thing. Better him instead of an innocent person.

No, you can't vote away mental illness.

However you can make mental illness less of a problem for those that have mental illnesses.

About 2.3 million people in the US are in US prisons.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mhppji.pdf

"At midyear 2005 more than half of all prison and jail inmates had a mental health problem,"

So that means around 1.15 million people in the US are in prison with mental health problems.

"These estimates represented 56% of State prisoners, 45% of Federal prisoners, and 64% of jail inmates."

Now, take the number of people who have been in prison and struggle to get jobs when they get out, because of their conviction, and you'll see that having a mental illness in the US isn't that easy. This is 1 in 320 people who are locked up in prison with a mental illness. Take the number of people with a mental illness at about 1/4 of the population then this is about 1 in 81 people with mental illness who are in prison. The number who have been through the prison system and come out the other side but struggling because society has branded them is going to increase the number.

Project MUSE - Homelessness and Housing Insecurity Among Former Prisoners

"Beyond the confluence of these two trends, there are strong reasons to expect a connection between incarceration and homelessness."

"They show high rates of shelter use (Metraux and Culhane 2004) and residential insecurity (Geller and Curtis 2011), as well as an elevated risk of recidivism for returning prisoners who do not receive housing and wraparound services upon their release (Lutze et al. 2013)."

"A staggering 700,000 prisoners are released from federal and state prisons each year "

Now, the US has a high prisoner population compared to other countries.

The US has an incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000 people. This means that 346.5 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems.

England and Wales has an incarceration rate of 146 per 100,000 people. This means that 73 per 100,000 are prisoners with mental health problems. So, in the US if you have mental illness you're FIVE TIMES more likely to be in prison.

The US spends $74 billion on its prison systems. Imagine if they transferred some of this money away from prisons and spent it on mental health, then you'd have more productive members of society, rather than people rotting away in prisons.

Another point would be that different states have different levels of prisoner populations

So, people with mental health issues in Louisiana are basically going to have a hard time, but in placed like Maine and Minnesota, they're going to have an easier time. It's not that mental health goes away, it's that it's less likely to turn into a problem.

So, is it a surprise that Louisiana is $75 or less? Is it a surprise that Main is $161 or more?

Places which spend less on mental health will probably end up spending more on their prison system.

Then bring back the asylums. Slap the bejezus out of the ACLU and lock them up.

The same number of people or more will still be incarcerated. They will just be categorized diffetently.

Pretty sure Reagan got rid of all Federal subsidies for the mentally ill.

It is strictly a state issue now. As it should be.

The Fed's have their fingers in too many pies already.

Reagan had no choice. The states don't either. A person that has not committed a crime cannot be locked up against their will for longer than 72 hours.