Mass public shooting in the Netherlands....but...they have gun control?

[2aguy]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

Britain..

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

they did NOT substitute knives for firearms = their murder rate is FOUR times lower

You don't know what you are talking about......you are a moron ........

 

[2aguy]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

and remember the knife/etc argument????!!
you people say ''they'll just murder with something else''
wrong--they are not doing it in UK, France, Japan, etc!!
they are NOT using other weapons as much--their murder rates are still LOWER

Moron.... Britain is awash in the blood of knife murder.....and their police state they can't stop illegal guns from flooding the country. In France, the weapon of choice for criminals is the fully automatic military rifle....in Sweden they have guns and grenades...

In Japan, in 2006 they were killing each other with fully automatic military weapons and grenades.... and they did this for 7 years.....

You don't know what you are talking about

and their murder rate is FOUR times LOWER..
you don't understand because your brain is warped and obsessed
it means their are MUCH FEWER murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what don't you understand about that????
....less firearms = less murders---they are NOT using knives that much--their rate is four times lower
.....the murder rate is still LOWER using knives--because they are not using them in lieu of firearms as much!!!

More guns = less crime.....

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

 

[2aguy]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

Britain..

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

they did NOT substitute knives for firearms = their murder rate is FOUR times lower

You are wrong...

we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
--------
Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

and remember the knife/etc argument????!!
you people say ''they'll just murder with something else''
wrong--they are not doing it in UK, France, Japan, etc!!
they are NOT using other weapons as much--their murder rates are still LOWER

Moron.... Britain is awash in the blood of knife murder.....and their police state they can't stop illegal guns from flooding the country. In France, the weapon of choice for criminals is the fully automatic military rifle....in Sweden they have guns and grenades...

In Japan, in 2006 they were killing each other with fully automatic military weapons and grenades.... and they did this for 7 years.....

You don't know what you are talking about

and their murder rate is FOUR times LOWER..
you don't understand because your brain is warped and obsessed
it means their are MUCH FEWER murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what don't you understand about that????
....less firearms = less murders---they are NOT using knives that much--their rate is four times lower
.....the murder rate is still LOWER using knives--because they are not using them in lieu of firearms as much!!!

Wrong.......dipshit...

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

You do realise that Scotland and Northern Ireland have a different legal system from England dont you ?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

Britain..

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

they did NOT substitute knives for firearms = their murder rate is FOUR times lower

You are wrong...

we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
--------
Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

WTF is the "bright red trend line" ?
Is it something that covers up your horrific murder rates ?

 

[Crepitus]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

How many have they had this year?

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

 

[2aguy]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

How many have they had this year?

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

It only matters if their gun control laws have an effect...they don't..... their culture isn't producing young nuts yet......give it time and they will get there.

 

[harmonica]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

Britain..

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
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Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
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4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

they did NOT substitute knives for firearms = their murder rate is FOUR times lower

You are wrong...

we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
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Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

....so, the US, with FOUR times the murder rate, and many, many more shootings, has a lower violent crime rate???!!! are you serious ??
impossible
United Kingdom vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats

 

[harmonica]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

How many have they had this year?

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

It only matters if their gun control laws have an effect...they don't..... their culture isn't producing young nuts yet......give it time and they will get there.

the US GUN CULTURE helps produce mass shooters
it's so EASY to kill so many so fast with a firearm --not a knife/POOL/car/etc

 

[2aguy]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

How many have they had this year?

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

It only matters if their gun control laws have an effect...they don't..... their culture isn't producing young nuts yet......give it time and they will get there.

the US GUN CULTURE helps produce mass shooters
it's so EASY to kill so many so fast with a firearm --not a knife/POOL/car/etc

Wrong.....the breakdown of the family produced mass public shooters and the 24/7 news cycle with the Oscars level covering of every shooting helps create copycats...much like the coverage of child suicide used to create copycats.

And yet, dipstick...... we had a total of 12 mass public shootings in 2018, with a total of 93 people killed. In a country of over 320 million people...with close to 600 million gun in private hands......

Knives, every year, are used to kill over 1,500 people...

Clubs are used to kill over 400

Bare hands, over 400

Pools kill over 3,500 people every single year.

Cars killed over 38,000 people...

In the attack in Nice, France...a muslim in rental truck killed 86 people, in one attack, and injured 435....

You don't know what you are talking about..

 

[Crepitus]

How many have they had this year?

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

It only matters if their gun control laws have an effect...they don't..... their culture isn't producing young nuts yet......give it time and they will get there.

the US GUN CULTURE helps produce mass shooters
it's so EASY to kill so many so fast with a firearm --not a knife/POOL/car/etc

Wrong.....the breakdown of the family produced mass public shooters and the 24/7 news cycle with the Oscars level covering of every shooting helps create copycats...much like the coverage of child suicide used to create copycats.

And yet, dipstick...... we had a total of 12 mass public shootings in 2018, with a total of 93 people killed. In a country of over 320 million people...with close to 600 million gun in private hands......

Knives, every year, are used to kill over 1,500 people...

Clubs are used to kill over 400

Bare hands, over 400

Pools kill over 3,500 people every single year.

Cars killed over 38,000 people...

In the attack in Nice, France...a muslim in rental truck killed 86 people, in one attack, and injured 435....

You don't know what you are talking about..

Quick, blame anything but the easy availability of firearms!!!!

 

[2aguy]

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

It only matters if their gun control laws have an effect...they don't..... their culture isn't producing young nuts yet......give it time and they will get there.

the US GUN CULTURE helps produce mass shooters
it's so EASY to kill so many so fast with a firearm --not a knife/POOL/car/etc

Wrong.....the breakdown of the family produced mass public shooters and the 24/7 news cycle with the Oscars level covering of every shooting helps create copycats...much like the coverage of child suicide used to create copycats.

And yet, dipstick...... we had a total of 12 mass public shootings in 2018, with a total of 93 people killed. In a country of over 320 million people...with close to 600 million gun in private hands......

Knives, every year, are used to kill over 1,500 people...

Clubs are used to kill over 400

Bare hands, over 400

Pools kill over 3,500 people every single year.

Cars killed over 38,000 people...

In the attack in Nice, France...a muslim in rental truck killed 86 people, in one attack, and injured 435....

You don't know what you are talking about..

Quick, blame anything but the easy availability of firearms!!!!

Yes....fatherless homes.....

And again....600 million guns in private hands....17.25 million people with permits to carry them for self defense.

How many were used in mass public shootings in 2018? 12. How many total killed? 93.

How many people do knives kill every single year...over 1,500.

Rifles...still kill fewer people each year than knives... 403

Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467


Pools....over 3,500.....

So no.....mass public shootings are not a problem...people falling off of ladders die at a higher rate than people in mass public shootings...

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)

 

[harmonica]

Lol, of course it matters. You just don't want it to because it derails your whole silly agenda.

It only matters if their gun control laws have an effect...they don't..... their culture isn't producing young nuts yet......give it time and they will get there.

the US GUN CULTURE helps produce mass shooters
it's so EASY to kill so many so fast with a firearm --not a knife/POOL/car/etc

Wrong.....the breakdown of the family produced mass public shooters and the 24/7 news cycle with the Oscars level covering of every shooting helps create copycats...much like the coverage of child suicide used to create copycats.

And yet, dipstick...... we had a total of 12 mass public shootings in 2018, with a total of 93 people killed. In a country of over 320 million people...with close to 600 million gun in private hands......

Knives, every year, are used to kill over 1,500 people...

Clubs are used to kill over 400

Bare hands, over 400

Pools kill over 3,500 people every single year.

Cars killed over 38,000 people...

In the attack in Nice, France...a muslim in rental truck killed 86 people, in one attack, and injured 435....

You don't know what you are talking about..

Quick, blame anything but the easy availability of firearms!!!!

Yes....fatherless homes.....

And again....600 million guns in private hands....17.25 million people with permits to carry them for self defense.

How many were used in mass public shootings in 2018? 12. How many total killed? 93.

How many people do knives kill every single year...over 1,500.

Rifles...still kill fewer people each year than knives... 403

Knives.....1,591

Hands and feet......696

Clubs.....467


Pools....over 3,500.....

So no.....mass public shootings are not a problem...people falling off of ladders die at a higher rate than people in mass public shootings...

US life expectancy drops again as overdoses climb
( Ladder falling deaths....300, not specified by year
Ladder Safety - Int'l Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)

and 300 deaths in the U.S. that are caused by falls from ladders.)

remember --we shot that stupid knives/bats/etc crap down
falling off ladders NOW????!!!!!
OMG hahahahhahahahahhahahahhah
falling off ladders = murder = IDIOCY