Mass public shooting in the Netherlands....but...they have gun control?

[skookerasbil]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

 

[skookerasbil]

You meatheads..............

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

 

[skookerasbil]

Bobbleheadedness is ghey................

http://www.hngn.com/articles/141814/20151020/harvard-gun-study-the-more-guns-the-less-criminal-activity.htm

 

[fncceo]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

All that cheese in their diet. Too bloated and gassy to do murder.

 

[Brain357]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

 

[Crepitus]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

How many have they had this year?

 

[Brain357]

You meatheads..............

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

A group of killers. We have single killers beat that here.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

There is a bovine mindset behind these posts.

Nobody has ever claimed that gun control would completely eliminate gun crime.

But it does significantly reduce the problem.

This is borne out by a comparison of the slaughter in the US and western Europe.

Is the OP seriously suggesting that Europe should adopt the Wild West culture of the US ?

 

[harmonica]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

I'll file that with the POOLS/fires/cars/etc argument = idiocy

 

[harmonica]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

you people keep coming up with the most idiotic crap = pools/knives/cars/fire
now it is ''it has nothing to do with the laws''
hahahhahahahahhaahh
AND their suicide rate is lower!!!!
most murders are by FIREARM

 

[harmonica]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

and remember the knife/etc argument????!!
you people say ''they'll just murder with something else''
wrong--they are not doing it in UK, France, Japan, etc!!
they are NOT using other weapons as much--their murder rates are still LOWER

 

[2aguy]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

When I was young. I rode on bikes and never crashed into anyone nor injured myself or anyone else. Only little 3-5 years old were the ones that were careless while riding. But there is something that is causing people to be dizzy in the head. That they are behaving mentally ill. That they are living in some kind of zone. A different reality. It is drugs and environmental pollution, like roundup that is absorbed into plants that is slowly damaging the brain while being consumed. Bikes don't kill. It is dumb intoxicated with chemicals and GMO's that kills. They need to also check these mass shooters toxic level inside of their bodies.

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Broken homes.....that is the problem...fatherless homes are creating these problems.

So you are a strong supporter of abortion rights.

Nope....killing a human is something I am against.

 

[2aguy]

More....

But...this only happens in the U.S.....er....or something...

Three, including two children, killed in Dutch 'family drama': Police


Three people, including two children, have been killed and one woman was seriously injured in a shooting in the Dutch city of Dordrecht, police said on Monday.

Authorities said that "there are strong indications" that the shooting at a house in the city's Heimerstein district is "a family drama."

The victims include two children aged 8 and 12 and a 35-year-old man. The man, a police officer from the Rotterdam police unit, "may have been the shooter," police added.

So it was the dad who was a police officer. Killing your claims about gun control not working.

He used a gun to murder people...gun control fail, you dope.

 

[2aguy]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

and remember the knife/etc argument????!!
you people say ''they'll just murder with something else''
wrong--they are not doing it in UK, France, Japan, etc!!
they are NOT using other weapons as much--their murder rates are still LOWER

Moron.... Britain is awash in the blood of knife murder.....and their police state they can't stop illegal guns from flooding the country. In France, the weapon of choice for criminals is the fully automatic military rifle....in Sweden they have guns and grenades...

In Japan, in 2006 they were killing each other with fully automatic military weapons and grenades.... and they did this for 7 years.....

You don't know what you are talking about

 

[2aguy]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

Britain..

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

 

[2aguy]

A mass shooting is being reported in the Netherlands, but at this point it is still early...it could be simply a drug related shooting....we will see....either way....gun control fail.

BREAKING: Mass Shooting Reported in Dordrecht, Netherlands - The Truth About Guns

According to Google, that translates as . . .

In a shooting incident on the #heimerstein in #Dordrecht, several victims were killed. We are present with many people and investigate what has happened

From the Associated Press . . .

Police in the Netherlands have tweeted that three people have been killed and one other person has been seriously wounded in a shooting in a residential neighborhood in the city of Dordrecht.

Police spokesman Wim Hoonhout has told The Associated Press that “It seems like a family incident.” No further details of what happened Monday have been immediately released.

How many have they had this year?

Doesn't matter......their young males haven't decided to do mass shootings...yet.

 

[2aguy]

There is a bovine mindset behind these posts.

Nobody has ever claimed that gun control would completely eliminate gun crime.

But it does significantly reduce the problem.

This is borne out by a comparison of the slaughter in the US and western Europe.

Is the OP seriously suggesting that Europe should adopt the Wild West culture of the US ?

Wrong....you are just about to have a huge problem......

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
==========

Two shot dead on London's streets amid warnings 'fluid supply' of guns is increasingly difficult to control

The violence came as police warned that the “fluid supply” of gunswas becoming increasingly difficult to control, with gangs using new and innovative ways of smuggling them past border defences.
---

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the National Crime Agency (NCA), also warned that the “sheer volume” of firearms coming into the UK represented a “pernicious threat” that urgently needed to be addressed.

“The scale is really challenging, he told the Telegraph. “We are doing everything we can but criminals are operating in a lucrative business where they can be increasingly innovative and operate in a highly effective way.”


Last week, an Irish man found with 60 firearms in his car in Dover, en route from Calais, admitted gun smuggling.

Robert Keogh, 37, was stopped on August 2 by Border Force officers who found the weapons concealed deep inside the vehicle’s bumper and both rear quarter panels.

The number of shootings has been on the rise since 2013 and has in part being linked to the 2,000 drug supply chains identified as part of the country lines network.

Mr Brough said hand guns were being smuggled through eastern Europe, across nexus points in Belgium and the Netherlands and then onwards into the UK.

“Some of the methods criminal groups are using are incredibly sophisticated, for example, they are built into the interior of vehicles,” he said.

“The challenge at the border is the sheer volume of the operation.

“When a gun is coming in as a fast parcel, how can we find that? It’s a needle in a haystack.”

Shotguns lawfully held are being diverted into the criminal market via burglaries while other weapons are purchased blank and then converted.

Mr Brough said there was a trend towards “new and clean” guns being used for the first time that did not link to previous crimes.


“The source of them and availability leads to incidents such as we’ve seen this weekend,” he added.
========

 

[harmonica]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

and remember the knife/etc argument????!!
you people say ''they'll just murder with something else''
wrong--they are not doing it in UK, France, Japan, etc!!
they are NOT using other weapons as much--their murder rates are still LOWER

Moron.... Britain is awash in the blood of knife murder.....and their police state they can't stop illegal guns from flooding the country. In France, the weapon of choice for criminals is the fully automatic military rifle....in Sweden they have guns and grenades...

In Japan, in 2006 they were killing each other with fully automatic military weapons and grenades.... and they did this for 7 years.....

You don't know what you are talking about

and their murder rate is FOUR times LOWER..
you don't understand because your brain is warped and obsessed
it means their are MUCH FEWER murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what don't you understand about that????
....less firearms = less murders---they are NOT using knives that much--their rate is four times lower
.....the murder rate is still LOWER using knives--because they are not using them in lieu of firearms as much!!!

 

[harmonica]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

But for Europe the murder rate is 9 times HIGHER!! So....fAiL.

Where you get they wild number? Link?

Our homicide rate is much higher than U.K., Germany, France, Italy, all of Scandinavia...

Britain..

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.

they did NOT substitute knives for firearms = their murder rate is FOUR times lower

 

[2aguy]

their murder rate is FIVE times LOWER--not higher than the US

Yep.....and that has nothing to do with their gun control laws.

and remember the knife/etc argument????!!
you people say ''they'll just murder with something else''
wrong--they are not doing it in UK, France, Japan, etc!!
they are NOT using other weapons as much--their murder rates are still LOWER

Moron.... Britain is awash in the blood of knife murder.....and their police state they can't stop illegal guns from flooding the country. In France, the weapon of choice for criminals is the fully automatic military rifle....in Sweden they have guns and grenades...

In Japan, in 2006 they were killing each other with fully automatic military weapons and grenades.... and they did this for 7 years.....

You don't know what you are talking about

and their murder rate is FOUR times LOWER..
you don't understand because your brain is warped and obsessed
it means their are MUCH FEWER murders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what don't you understand about that????
....less firearms = less murders---they are NOT using knives that much--their rate is four times lower
.....the murder rate is still LOWER using knives--because they are not using them in lieu of firearms as much!!!

Wrong.......dipshit...

U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder - iGeek

• If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
• Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
• Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
• -----

Something important to know is that the U.K. ONS distorts their numbers for political reasons. While the rest of the world measures murder rates as people who are killed, the ONS does two things to cheat:

1. They exclude Scotland and North Ireland from their counting: I guess when they are murdered, it isn’t as important to ONS as if Britons die. While that is only about 10% of the total population of the UK, it is significantly more of their crimes and murders.
2. They only count murders where someone is charged with a crime. (Only between 1/2 and 3/4ths of all murders are counted).
3. ----
4. n the U.S. Blacks are 1/7th the population, but over 1/2 of all our murders, and Latino’s are about the same 15% of the population and are responsible for over half the rest of murders.England has virtually no blacks or latino’s (<3%). So if we correct for those demographic differences (or just compare a subset — the U.S.’s white murder rate to the UK’s white murder rate), we find that in the bright red trend line, that the U.S. has a lower murder rate than the U.K.
   
   Racist:Now around this time, people that can’t handle the facts or truth, start trying to distract by claiming either I’m racist, or this data is racist. But data is not making judgements, it’s just facts.
   
   The problem isn’t racial in America, but it is cultural.
   
   
   Black immigrants don’t have the same murder rates as Black Americans.
   
   
   And if you dive into the groups, you find rural blacks (and whites and latinos) have lower murder rates than inner cities. It’s also not income or income equality based since rural poor have lower murder rates than urban poor -- and many richer countries have more murders/crime than many poorer ones. It's about failures of the inner city gang culture.
   
   So facts are facts. In the U.S. we have a lower white murder rate (but higher black murder rate) than the U.K.
   
   
   And white’s in America have higher gun ownership rates than blacks (or than whites in the U.K.) — so we know that gun control doesn’t help murder rates for whites. At least across these two countries.
   
   And the reason for differences among blacks in the two countries is easily explained by gang culture in the U.S.

Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem.

• Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
• The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?

Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.