Massive Obama-Backed “One Nation” Rally...

[Jeremy]

There was already a record amount of trash on the mall as soon as their feet hit the grass.

 

[Foxfyre]

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It's not difficult to understand at all. Doesn't change the fact that Capitalism isn't in the Constitution. If someone is a Socialist, that does not make them anti-American.

Um...Yeah, it does.

The American republic was based upon individual rights and private property, not collectivized privileges and all property controlled by a ruling class.

Um, no it doesn't. America was founded on people being able to do what they want to. If a group of people - um say hippies, want to live in a commune and pool resources, they can. The way they live is a socialist concept, yet they live in America....

Same goes for all those cults...

So long as those hippies or cults are not violating the rights of others, the Constitution has always protected their right to form whatever society they wish to have. The Constitution has always protected the right to extend charity or to share whatever one wishes to share.

The Constitution however does not suggest that the hippies or cults are entitled to have ohers subsidize them or support them or allow them to break local, state, or federal laws or force others to accommodate them despite one's choice of lifestyle. Whenever those hippies or cults demand that the Federal government take rights, opportunities, and/or resources from others and provide that to them, they are being anti-American.

Respect for unalienable rights allows us to do what we want to do so long as what we want to do requires no contribution of any kind from somebody else.

 

[Capitalist]

uh huh . . . go read. Pilgrims began as a socialistic structure, which they later changed to individual freeholds. Jamestown agriculture began as an imitation of tenant serf, with the Indians then indentured whites then African slaves as captive labor. You say some of the stupidest things. I am beginning to understand that you are not deliberately being a toid; to the contrary, you really don't know.

You keep talking about europeans.
You seem confused, again.

Don't got a clue, do you, Capitalist, concerning the parameters of this discussion.

Me not having a clue is all in your mind.
I like talking to leftist loons like you, it's very entertaining. You amuse me acting like you are a member of some intellectual elite. Oh woe is me, JS says I don't have a clue.
Keep going, I need a good laugh.

 

[Capitalist]

Two Thumbs, please share what you are smoking. Son, cons and libs each have their trashtards, son. Grow up. You ever been around on the grounds after a Baptist gospel hour concert?

So are you defending those fucks that tossed trash on a Memeorial out of ignorance or is this you defending your own by saying other people do it?

It's an easy search. You can see how little the people that cared left and how much the libs left.

Good lord man. They dropped the signs in thier hands on the ground instead of taking them away.



They burned they trash when they were done at the gathering I went to. It was allowed by law, no special permits needed.

At a Methodist gathering they had the kids pick up trash before everyone left.

JS dropped his sign on the ground.
Stop, you're making the guy feel bad.

 

[Foxfyre]

Some people are respectful of others, appreciate the beauty of the ground they occupy and the people who keep it beautiful, respect national monuments and memorials, and respect what is good and right and honorable and noble.

Some people aren't and don't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Two Thumbs, I am saying all types of people trash. Now figure that out, if you can. Capitalist is right there with you. You guys can't critically think, and it shows.

 

[Cal]

Thanks Annie, as you know, none of this (except the lifetime cap) made it through into law. Typical liberal. Read the title and post.

I was merely pointing out the lie of "Obama didn't reach out to Republicans". Hell yes he did. Just because a couple of those ideas weren't included in the final bill, doesn't mean shit. Obama tried, he was met with a resounding no. On everything.
Even politicians that one time would work with democrats on issues, like McCain and Graham, now won't. And cringe at the thought of right-wingers being upset at them for working with someone who has a (D) behind their name.

 

[saveliberty]

Thanks Annie, as you know, none of this (except the lifetime cap) made it through into law. Typical liberal. Read the title and post.

I was merely pointing out the lie of "Obama didn't reach out to Republicans". Hell yes he did. Just because a couple of those ideas weren't included in the final bill, doesn't mean shit. Obama tried, he was met with a resounding no. On everything.
Even politicians that one time would work with democrats on issues, like McCain and Graham, now won't. And cringe at the thought of right-wingers being upset at them for working with someone who has a (D) behind their name.

Bull. Obama stuck his hand out in compromise, only to pull it back as soon as he had enough Democrat votes on the particular bill point. Remember the big summit? He rejected every point brought to the table by Republicans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

saveliberty, that was not the way it was, and that is not the way the voters will remember it.

The bullseye is on Boehner and McConnell, not Obama. If they can't pull off majorities, they are gone. In that sense, I want them to lose. We need new forward looking leadership. The old corporatist neo-con social value leadership has to go.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Two Thumbs, I am saying all types of people trash. Now figure that out, if you can. Capitalist is right there with you. You guys can't critically think, and it shows.

You are missing the point. And I think it's intentional, why, I don't know.

On 8/28 everyone put thier trash in the trash bins or took it home b/c the bins were full. NOTHING was left on the ground.

On 10/2 people dropped their signs where they stood. They dumped food and drink cantainers where they stood when done with them. They disgraced the WW2 Memorial by leaving trash all over it.

If you can't see the difference, it's you that is not thinking.

 

[Foxfyre]

Thanks Annie, as you know, none of this (except the lifetime cap) made it through into law. Typical liberal. Read the title and post.

I was merely pointing out the lie of "Obama didn't reach out to Republicans". Hell yes he did. Just because a couple of those ideas weren't included in the final bill, doesn't mean shit. Obama tried, he was met with a resounding no. On everything.
Even politicians that one time would work with democrats on issues, like McCain and Graham, now won't. And cringe at the thought of right-wingers being upset at them for working with someone who has a (D) behind their name.

Baloney. This is how much His Arrogance 'reaches out' to anybody who isn't in his pocket:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA]YouTube - Obama: I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nonsense, Foxfyre, nonsense. You are still pissed our side lost, and he had the majority. Let's just be thankful they couldn't compromise with themselves or we would be facing a one payer system.

 

[saveliberty]

saveliberty, that was not the way it was, and that is not the way the voters will remember it.

The bullseye is on Boehner and McConnell, not Obama. If they can't pull off majorities, they are gone. In that sense, I want them to lose. We need new forward looking leadership. The old corporatist neo-con social value leadership has to go.

No point in arguing a future event in four weeks. I suspect it will be clear what the voters intended on the following Wednesday morning. Politicans focused on undoing bad government decisions would be nice.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes. I would posrep that if I could, saveliberty. Now if we want the theatre of the absurd, let's have O'Donnell and Rand and Angle. They certainly could not be worse than Reid or McConnell. Not hardly.

 

[peach174]

The difference between Tea party rallies and Al Sharpton's & One Nation rally
Tea party- brought their own chairs and food and drinks -Keep the cost of the rally down dramitically.
They cleand up after themselves. Individual responsibility No cost to the city.
AL Sharpton's group - had to be told to move 6 times because they had a bottle neck build up.
Had to be asked if they were doing ok and if they needed some water.
One nation rally - had chairs in the front for them. Had food & drinks and water for them, cost of rally was much higher.
Had trash all over the place that had to be cleaned up by city workers also at cost to the city. No individual responsibility.
That is the difference.

 

[Capitalist]

Two Thumbs, I am saying all types of people trash. Now figure that out, if you can. Capitalist is right there with you. You guys can't critically think, and it shows.

Building your self esteem by insulting others is no way to go through life.
As far as something showing, it depends on who's judging.
Very amusing, keep going.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nonsense, Foxfyre, nonsense. You are still pissed our side lost, and he had the majority. Let's just be thankful they couldn't compromise with themselves or we would be facing a one payer system.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Examiner has an interesting analysis of why the "One Nation" rally pretty well fell flat while the "Restore Honor" rally exceeded all expectations. I still think they're missing the boat, however, when they fail to acknowledge the positive, upbeat, and inspiring tone of the Restore Honor rally as opposed to whining, sniping, and politics of personal destruction heard almost non stop at the One Nation rally:

(emphasis mine)

Why Big Labor couldn't match Glenn Beck's rally
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
October 4, 2010

The nation's biggest, richest and most powerful labor unions spent months organizing the "One Nation Working Together" rally at the Lincoln Memorial Saturday. With midterm elections approaching, they hoped to put on a show of political strength to energize struggling Democratic candidates. But even after giving it everything they had, they still weren't able to draw as many people as Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally in August. Why not?

Because the labor movement is shrinking, aging and divided. Because the best program its leaders (and co-sponsors at the NAACP) could put together was one featuring Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Richard Trumka, Van Jones and Harry Belafonte. And because George W. Bush is no longer in the White House. Put those factors together, and Big Labor's big march fell flat.

First, the shrinking part. According to 2009 figures from the Labor Department, 12.3 percent of American workers belong to a union -- down from 20.1 percent in 1983. In real numbers, there are 15.3 million union members now; back then, when the country's population was significantly smaller, there were 17.7 million.

Next, aging. The Labor Department figures show there are more union members between 55 and 64 than in any other age group. The lowest rate of union membership is among younger workers.

Then, divided. In January, the Labor Department reported that for the first time in history, there are more union members in the public sector (7.9 million) than there are in the private sector (7.4 million). That's despite the fact that there are five times more workers in the private sector than in federal, state, and local governments. In percentage terms, just 7.2 percent of private-sector workers belong to a union, while 37.4 percent of public-sector workers are unionized.

In broad terms, the public-sector unions lean farther left, while the private-sector unions still count among their number old-fashioned blue-collar moderates who don't necessarily want to pay higher taxes to hire more public-sector employees. "The differences between them aren't violent, angry, screaming differences," says Fred Siegel, a scholar in residence at New York's St. Francis College and a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, "but they're important differences."

What does a tired and aging movement do? It puts on a program with tired and aging leaders. Sharpton has long ago worn out his welcome among anyone beyond the hard-core Democratic base; the same is true for Jackson. The 83-year-old Belafonte's appearance at the rally was impressive, but mostly as a vision from an earlier era. Trumka's appeal does not go beyond the labor movement, and the young gun in the group, Van Jones, left the White House last year amid scandal. It wasn't exactly an all-star lineup.

Finally, the rally lacked a villain. Back in the days of George W. Bush, merely saying the president's name could elicit angry boos over and over and over again. Every problem in every part of American life could be attributed to Bush and his gang. Now, with a Democratic president and Congress, speakers can denounce Republicans all they want, but everyone knows who is running the U.S. government. That knowledge took a little of the edge off all those denunciations.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Why Big Labor couldn't match Glenn Beck's rally | Washington Examiner

And did you catch the message there that one in five workers now works for the local, state, or federal government? Does anybody besides me see a problem with that? And why that makes the Restore Honor rally even more relevent?

 

[saveliberty]

You know they are going to call you Mrs. Beck, Foxfyre? I think the ratio is 1:5 or 1/6 the workforce.

 

[Foxfyre]

You know they are going to call you Mrs. Beck, Foxfyre? I think the ratio is 1:5 or 1/6 the workforce.

Okay I guess five times MORE is different than just five times, so I'll concede the one in six. But even so, do every five of us who are working need our own government employee? I can't help but think there is a whole lot of redundancy and unnecessary activity on my behalf there.