McConnell Filibustered VA Funding

[bedowin62]

lmao!

isnt it hilarious to see the liberal lemmings trying to get out in front of ANOTHER OBSCENE OBAMA SCANDAL? THAT is the horrific treatement of your veterans


and how will you morons try to pint the COVER-UP; THE KEEPING OF TWO SETS OF APPOINTMENT SHEETS to COVER-UP the wait times; how will you left-wing losers blame that on Republicans?

 

[Yurt]

and you still have no clue why they blocked it. because you're a partisan troll.

HINT: they blocked it because portions of the bill would harm vets.

but don't let truth get in howeytroll's way....

And also because it violated current policy against new spending without equal offsets, and mandates of the sequester.

Bernie Sanders "paid for" it with so called spending reductions from closing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have already been reconciled and expended as reductions so the Dems want to count them again.

The Repubs wanted to write amendments to properly offset the new expenditures, those at least for veterans more recent than September 11, 2001 - they didn't want the law to apply to earlier vets - and Reid wouldn't allow any amendments by the Republicans, so they wouldn't allow cloture.

This was a political ploy by the Dems to show they "really do care about vets" especially since they have the little problem of the Obama administration's Dept of Veterans Affairs recently being found to have caused the death of at least 40 vets needing lifesaving treatment.

This is entirely a political operation with no higher purpose.

So there you have it.

The answer.

Republicans don't want veterans to get the health care they deserve because it costs money.

that is not what he said you lying little troll

 

[Dot Com]

Thats why I always tell you people the GObP had a war on America going on.

 

[Howey]

And also because it violated current policy against new spending without equal offsets, and mandates of the sequester.

Bernie Sanders "paid for" it with so called spending reductions from closing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have already been reconciled and expended as reductions so the Dems want to count them again.

The Repubs wanted to write amendments to properly offset the new expenditures, those at least for veterans more recent than September 11, 2001 - they didn't want the law to apply to earlier vets - and Reid wouldn't allow any amendments by the Republicans, so they wouldn't allow cloture.

This was a political ploy by the Dems to show they "really do care about vets" especially since they have the little problem of the Obama administration's Dept of Veterans Affairs recently being found to have caused the death of at least 40 vets needing lifesaving treatment.

This is entirely a political operation with no higher purpose.

So there you have it.

The answer.

Republicans don't want veterans to get the health care they deserve because it costs money.

that is not what he said you lying little troll

Yes it is. Bitch.

 

[bedowin62]

THE LEFT-WING LOSERS HERE can cry all they want; twist and distort anything they want

the obama administration is the one who will rightly be held responsible for tis travesty; and of course the COVER-UP PART TOO; the double accountng of appointments

Dems will rightly pay a price this fall

 

[Yurt]

if the dems truly cared about funding the VA, they wouldn't have put in all the extraneous nonsensical items and then they could have a vote just on the funding.

nothing but political shenanigans...

 

[rightwinger]

Why do Republicans hate America?

 

[bedowin62]

For those of you who don't believe...

Republicans don’t really care about veterans or the VA, they just care about using this controversy to discredit the President and his Democratic Party - there is an election coming up, after all - and as a twofer, discredit the idea of government-run healthcare programs like the VA. John McCain has even called for the VA to be privatized. The hypocrisy here is astounding.

Remember, it was just a little under three months ago that Senate Republicans under the leadership of Mitch McConnell filibustered a bill that would have boosted VA funding by $21 billion, expanded benefits, and repealed a provision of the Murray-Ryan budget deal that slashed military pensions.

And it wasn’t like this anti-veteran Republican filibuster was some radical break from the past either. Time and time again during the Obama presidency Republicans have either blocked or opposed bills that would have helped out the veterans they’re now claiming to care so much about.

Back in 2012, for example, GOP senators blocked a $1 billion jobs bill would have helped millions of unemployed veterans find work. And in that same year, Republican opposition also blocked a bill - the so-called Veterans’ Compensation Cost of Living Adjustment Act - that would have kept veterans’ benefits on par with rising expenses.

The list goes on. Before that, GOP lawmakers killed the Wounded Veteran Job Security Act, the Veterans Retraining Act of 2009, the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization Act of 2009, the Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009, the Veterans Business Center Act of 2009, and the Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act of 2009.

Every single one of these these bills would have helped veterans and every single one was killed exclusively by Republican opposition. So don't be surprised if I take the GOP’s newfound obsession with veterans’ issues with a big grain of salt. But Republican hypocrisy when it comes to the VA is only part of the story. What we’re really seeing here with the calls for Veterans Affairs Secretary Shinseki to resign and the bashing of the VA as a whole is one of the best recent examples of what I call the “Republican Chaos Strategy.”

Senate blocks Dems' bill boosting vets' benefits

Here's the 40 Republican senators who HATE VETERANS!

Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Whyvis it the Dems answer to everything is to throw more money at it? Why is it that many VA facilities are without scandal? Couldn't have a thing to do with mismanagement now, could it? Why don't you want those that are usurping the trust given them to manage and take proper care of our Vets weeded out?
Historic levels of funding for the VA already, over 14 times, in 2012 constant dollars than what it was in the 1940's, as it is. Yet this is occurring in some facilities. I want to find out why some can make it work and give proper care for our Vets and others can't. Throwing more money at the problem is not the answer at this point.

comical little leftard here desperately trying to deflect.
the tereatment of our veterans under obama has nothing to do with the bill he mentions; it involves the usual mismanagement of the governement; these are the people who want to run ALL of healthcare in the USA.

it has to do with a COVER-UP of long wait times; covered up with a double set of appointment records to make it look like the waiting times arent AS BAD AS THEY ARE. so bad in fact it appears that people DIED waiting for treatement

 

[depotoo]

For those of you who don't believe...




Senate blocks Dems' bill boosting vets' benefits

Here's the 40 Republican senators who HATE VETERANS!

Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Whyvis it the Dems answer to everything is to throw more money at it? Why is it that many VA facilities are without scandal? Couldn't have a thing to do with mismanagement now, could it? Why don't you want those that are usurping the trust given them to manage and take proper care of our Vets weeded out?
Historic levels of funding for the VA already, over 14 times, in 2012 constant dollars than what it was in the 1940's, as it is. Yet this is occurring in some facilities. I want to find out why some can make it work and give proper care for our Vets and others can't. Throwing more money at the problem is not the answer at this point.

comical little leftard here desperately trying to deflect.
the tereatment of our veterans under obama has nothing to do with the bill he mentions; it involves the usual mismanagement of the governement; these are the people who want to run ALL of healthcare in the USA.

it has to do with a COVER-UP of long wait times; covered up with a double set of appointment records to make it look like the waiting times arent AS BAD AS THEY ARE. so bad in fact it appears that people DIED waiting for treatement

The spin gets sooooo old. Sad thing is it is the ones posting here on the left that truly don't care for our Vets or they would be wanting answers, rather than spin.

 

[Howey]

if the dems truly cared about funding the VA, they wouldn't have put in all the extraneous nonsensical items and then they could have a vote just on the funding.

nothing but political shenanigans...

Such as what, [MENTION=1528]Yurt[/MENTION] ?

 

[Howey]

if the dems truly cared about funding the VA, they wouldn't have put in all the extraneous nonsensical items and then they could have a vote just on the funding.

nothing but political shenanigans...

Such as what, [MENTION=1528]Yurt[/MENTION] ?

Since [MENTION=1528]Yurt[/MENTION] is an idiot, here's the bill and it's provisions. Proof the right, republicans, teabaggers and [MENTION=1528]Yurt[/MENTION] really, really hate veterans.

Bill Text - 113th Congress (2013-2014) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.
Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.
SEC. 2. REFERENCES TO TITLE 38, UNITED STATES CODE.
SEC. 3. BUDGETARY EFFECTS.
TITLE I--SURVIVOR AND DEPENDENT MATTERS
SEC. 101. EXTENSION OF INITIAL PERIOD FOR INCREASED DEPENDENCY AND INDEMNITY COMPENSATION FOR SURVIVING SPOUSES WITH CHILDREN.
SEC. 103. EXTENSION OF MARRIAGE DELIMITING DATE FOR SURVIVING SPOUSES OF PERSIAN GULF WAR VETERANS TO QUALIFY FOR DEATH PENSION.
SEC. 105. EXPANSION OF MARINE GUNNERY SERGEANT JOHN DAVID FRY SCHOLARSHIP.
SEC. 106. EXPANSION OF YELLOW RIBBON G.I. EDUCATION ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM.
SEC. 107. BENEFITS FOR CHILDREN OF CERTAIN THAILAND SERVICE VETERANS BORN WITH SPINA BIFIDA.
`Sec. 1822. Benefits for children of certain Thailand service veterans born with spina bifida
`subchapter iii--children of certain korea and thailand service veterans born with spina bifida';
SEC. 110. PROGRAM EVALUATION ON SURVIVORS' AND DEPENDENTS' EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE AUTHORITIES.
TITLE II--EDUCATION MATTERS
SEC. 203. PROHIBITIONS RELATING TO REFERENCES TO GI BILL AND POST-9/11 GI BILL.
`Sec. 3697B. Prohibition relating to references to GI Bill and Post-9/11 GI Bill


EDITED FOR SPACE

 

[Yurt]

read your OP links howey....the answer is right there, but you don't want to see the truth

 

[American Horse]

Here's the truth: The bill is a smokescreen. The President and the Dems always want to be seen as increasing the money that goes to veterans services and below you can see how it's being spent. This is Phoenix but this is rampant throughout the country.

The records were obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request by OpentheBooks.com. ::
“ - They show that from 2011 to 2013, over $843,000 in bonuses was awarded to about half the system's 3,170 workers.

The records also show hundreds of thousands in taxpayer dollars were spent on work that had little to do with health care. The hospital's 2013 gardening budget was more than $180,000. The hospital's interior design bills over the past three years surpassed $211,000.

The figures have raised concern, as the Phoenix VA faces accusations that up to 40 veterans may have died while waiting for critical care. VA Secretary Eric Shinseki is testifying Thursday on Capitol Hill on the scandal.

"Our nation's veterans need access to health care and doctors, not interior decorators and designers," Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said in a statement. [...]

Total compensation, records show, topped $700 million over the past three years and exceeded $240 million in 2013 alone. Salaries make up about half the Phoenix VA's annual budget, with doctors and nurses making up just a quarter of the Phoenix VA staff. The Phoenix VA currently treats 78,000 veterans, putting the Phoenix VA's doctor-to-patient ratio at 1-to-345.

Staff salaries, according to the records, reach as high as $357,528 for doctor executives and $147,724 for nurse staff.
The average Arizona doctor makes just over half of what the top-paid Phoenix VA doctors make, according to federal stats.

One Phoenix VA chaplain was paid more than $100,000 in 2013. - ”


SOURCE

 

[bedowin62]

the bill the left-wing nutjob is referring to was opposed by Republicans because it DIDNT HAVE FUNDING; and BUSTED THE BUDGET both sides had hashed out just TWO MONTHS EARLIER


it's always the same with left-wing losers; they do EVRYTHING for partisan politics; and PRETEND to care about the People and budgets, and VETERANS. but they KNEW Republicans didnt want to have WASTED THE TIME OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE; by voting for a bill that UNDID the work of the budget just passed. but none of that matters to the LYING LEFT; who would ratehr tell HALF A STORY and LIE; to try to portray Republicans as heartless



in TRUTH Dems WANTED THE VETERANS BUDGET TO BE CUT; or else the would have found funding for it; and they wanted a way to pin it on Republicans

libs are scumbags, douches, and lie to themselves

 

[hangover]

Go to first new post McConnell Filibustered VA Funding

McConnell led it, but it was the whole GOP that backed him. This is going to blow up in the faces of the cons, just in time for the elections this fall.

The cruelty of the cons will be famous!

 

[American Horse]

Go to first new post McConnell Filibustered VA Funding

McConnell led it, but it was the whole GOP that backed him. This is going to blow up in the faces of the cons, just in time for the elections this fall.

The cruelty of the cons will be famous!

Taken together with the rising VA scandal, not really. I agree that it's dangerous taking hard stands, like not just throwing money after issues (especially when it's so obviously being misspent or going to fatten the purses of bureaucrats) and the complexity of votes surrounding seemingly clear-cut issues is not so clear. Actually it's almost impossible to get people to understand the votes around seemingly simple issues, particularly in the US Senate where bills are drafted for no higher purpose than political smokescreens.

Take a look at that bill in the senate and tell me that anyone can really understand it or sort it out in a meaningful way.

The only textual copy of the actual bill that could be examined by clicking on links; posted by Howey; has been "shortened for space"[BUT ACTUALLY TO ONLY LIST MOST FAVORABLE ITEMS]
But if you took the time to examine the subtitles in the bill (before the reference here was altered) they were all but incomprehensible.
That's one of the very things Republicans are railing against; bills that are to complex for any ordinary citizen to comprehend, clearly indicating the need for short bills without poison pills.

 

[American Horse]

For anyone not paying attention to the hearings in the US Senate, here's just 8 & half minutes of the beginning of the hearing with statement none of which are in question' the real issues:

Senate VA Hearing | Video | C-SPAN.org

 

[Synthaholic]

For those of you who don't believe...

Republicans don’t really care about veterans or the VA, they just care about using this controversy to discredit the President and his Democratic Party - there is an election coming up, after all - and as a twofer, discredit the idea of government-run healthcare programs like the VA. John McCain has even called for the VA to be privatized. The hypocrisy here is astounding.

Remember, it was just a little under three months ago that Senate Republicans under the leadership of Mitch McConnell filibustered a bill that would have boosted VA funding by $21 billion, expanded benefits, and repealed a provision of the Murray-Ryan budget deal that slashed military pensions.

And it wasn’t like this anti-veteran Republican filibuster was some radical break from the past either. Time and time again during the Obama presidency Republicans have either blocked or opposed bills that would have helped out the veterans they’re now claiming to care so much about.

Back in 2012, for example, GOP senators blocked a $1 billion jobs bill would have helped millions of unemployed veterans find work. And in that same year, Republican opposition also blocked a bill - the so-called Veterans’ Compensation Cost of Living Adjustment Act - that would have kept veterans’ benefits on par with rising expenses.

The list goes on. Before that, GOP lawmakers killed the Wounded Veteran Job Security Act, the Veterans Retraining Act of 2009, the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization Act of 2009, the Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009, the Veterans Business Center Act of 2009, and the Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act of 2009.

Every single one of these these bills would have helped veterans and every single one was killed exclusively by Republican opposition. So don't be surprised if I take the GOP’s newfound obsession with veterans’ issues with a big grain of salt. But Republican hypocrisy when it comes to the VA is only part of the story. What we’re really seeing here with the calls for Veterans Affairs Secretary Shinseki to resign and the bashing of the VA as a whole is one of the best recent examples of what I call the “Republican Chaos Strategy.”

Senate blocks Dems' bill boosting vets' benefits

Here's the 40 Republican senators who HATE VETERANS!

Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)

I always knew John McCain was a phony.

 

[Synthaholic]

Here's the 40 Republican senators who HATE VETERANS!

Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lee (R-UT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Wicker (R-MS)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

The three I bolded are not current US Senators. How dated is this?

Johnny Isakson isn't a current Senator from Georgia?

 

[Synthaholic]

Why do Republicans hate America?

I've been trying to figure that out ever since they elected Reagan.