McDonalds Responds To Minimum Wage Hikes, Launches McCafe Coffee Kiosk

[IsaacNewton]

Demonizing the minimum wage is just one more way to try to denigrate human beings.

All costs for a business go up over time, all. It is telling that companies accept these rises in the cost of commodities like gasoline, or auto maintenance, or milk, but the moment a HUMAN BEING suggests their cost go up companies lose their shit.

There is something about other human beings getting ahead that just burns the ass of business owners, It isn't a rational thing, it is a human reaction. It's like the person that owns the business is saying 'if these people make more money then I'm not worth as much', though this thought doesn't occur to them re every other commodity.

And labor is a commodity.

Anyone who settles for MW has made their own bed

Basically they don't try to improve which is why they are stuck at MW

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

 

[guno]

When the Automat shut down, which was many years ago, I recall reading its employees, i.e., those who worked in the kitchen behind the wall, the change ladies and bus-men, were very disappointed because they were surprisingly well-paid. The Hardarts (owners of Automat) said the mechanical nature of their restaurants existed as a novelty, not a way of avoiding salaries. The fact was anything they saved by not hiring more servers went to the higher salaries of their minimal number of employees.

And it showed. Because any time I'd gone into the Automat I was impressed by the cleanliness and well-managed atmosphere of the place. It was a pleasure (and fun) to eat there.

Growing up in NYC used to love going to the Automat , the food was great and cheap. buttered kaiser rolls , soups, sandwiches, coffee, pie and cake

So batshit you were happy to spend your money at a place devoted to employee as few people as possible.
That makes you a fucking phony hypocrite jerk.

Well since you are a dumb southerner I will type this very slow so you can understand. The automat had a full staff of cooks and bakers behind the machines in addition to bus help in the front , everything was fresh and hot and replaced every time food was bought, they gave quality and value , but being a simple minded rube living in the backward inbred souf you wouldn't know

 

[Skull Pilot]

Demonizing the minimum wage is just one more way to try to denigrate human beings.

All costs for a business go up over time, all. It is telling that companies accept these rises in the cost of commodities like gasoline, or auto maintenance, or milk, but the moment a HUMAN BEING suggests their cost go up companies lose their shit.

There is something about other human beings getting ahead that just burns the ass of business owners, It isn't a rational thing, it is a human reaction. It's like the person that owns the business is saying 'if these people make more money then I'm not worth as much', though this thought doesn't occur to them re every other commodity.

And labor is a commodity.

Anyone who settles for MW has made their own bed

Basically they don't try to improve which is why they are stuck at MW

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

Sorry but it's the truth

Tell me why some slob working at McD's for years and is still making MW hasn't tried to get a promotion or hasn't used the experience to get a better paying job at another fast food place

 

[guno]

Many employers believe that one of the best ways to raise their profit margin is to cut labor costs. But companies like QuikTrip, the grocery-store chain Trader Joe's, and Costco Wholesale are proving that the decision to offer low wages is a choice, not an economic necessity. All three are low-cost retailers, a sector that is traditionally known for relying on part-time, low-paid employees. Yet these companies have all found that the act of valuing workers can pay off in the form of increased sales and productivity.

The Trader Joe's Lesson: How to Pay a Living Wage and Still Make Money in Retail

 

[IsaacNewton]

It's a similar argument re newspapers losing readers. It's because more and more people get their news online, but con-media sees an opportunity to demonize 'librul newspapers' so it claims lower readership is because people are 'rejecting librul philosophy' or whatever the steaming bullshit is of the day.

It is simply lying out of the corner of your mouth, rather than straight on.

And this is the new normal for modern conservatism. Their worldview loses in the public square in an honest debate, so they have to cheat.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Many employers believe that one of the best ways to raise their profit margin is to cut labor costs. But companies like QuikTrip, the grocery-store chain Trader Joe's, and Costco Wholesale are proving that the decision to offer low wages is a choice, not an economic necessity. All three are low-cost retailers, a sector that is traditionally known for relying on part-time, low-paid employees. Yet these companies have all found that the act of valuing workers can pay off in the form of increased sales and productivity.

The Trader Joe's Lesson: How to Pay a Living Wage and Still Make Money in Retail

Trader Joe's is not what I would call low cost. And yes they pay people more but they generally have fewer people working on the floor so if you need help good luck and you're going to be waiting longer to cash out

 

[IsaacNewton]

Demonizing the minimum wage is just one more way to try to denigrate human beings.

All costs for a business go up over time, all. It is telling that companies accept these rises in the cost of commodities like gasoline, or auto maintenance, or milk, but the moment a HUMAN BEING suggests their cost go up companies lose their shit.

There is something about other human beings getting ahead that just burns the ass of business owners, It isn't a rational thing, it is a human reaction. It's like the person that owns the business is saying 'if these people make more money then I'm not worth as much', though this thought doesn't occur to them re every other commodity.

And labor is a commodity.

Anyone who settles for MW has made their own bed

Basically they don't try to improve which is why they are stuck at MW

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

Sorry but it's the truth

Tell me why some slob working at McD's for years and is still making MW hasn't gotten tries to get a promotion or hasn't used the experience to get a better paying job at another fast food place

You paint EVERYONE with one brush. SORRY the world is far more complicated than that. Cons have a need to devolve everything down to black and white. The world does not work like that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Demonizing the minimum wage is just one more way to try to denigrate human beings.

All costs for a business go up over time, all. It is telling that companies accept these rises in the cost of commodities like gasoline, or auto maintenance, or milk, but the moment a HUMAN BEING suggests their cost go up companies lose their shit.

There is something about other human beings getting ahead that just burns the ass of business owners, It isn't a rational thing, it is a human reaction. It's like the person that owns the business is saying 'if these people make more money then I'm not worth as much', though this thought doesn't occur to them re every other commodity.

And labor is a commodity.

Anyone who settles for MW has made their own bed

Basically they don't try to improve which is why they are stuck at MW

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

Sorry but it's the truth

Tell me why some slob working at McD's for years and is still making MW hasn't gotten tries to get a promotion or hasn't used the experience to get a better paying job at another fast food place

You paint EVERYONE with one brush. SORRY the world is far more complicated than that. Cons have a need to devolve everything down to black and white. The world does not work like that.

No it's not really.

MW jobs don't pay more because there is little or no skill needed to perform them

Tell me how many years did you work for MW or perhaps you still are.

I haven't made just MW since I was 16

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

If not for the minimum wage, none of our technological advances could have happened

All technology is predicated on keeping low wage employees from making more

That's like crediting crime for the advent of police.
Technology exists to reduce overhead. Providing the best product for less cost. That is good for the consumer as well as the producer. Minimum wage runs contrary to that principle. It's an artificial dynamic.

Technology is developed to meet an existing or future market....screwing low wage workers does not drive technology

Making money for the cheapest cost is what drives any market. The wage earners and the technology are ancillary. When the government forces costs up the business has to compensate. The cheapest adjustment prevails. If the wage is artificially forced to be increased then the technology prevails.

 

[2aguy]

The future of the minimum wage comes with lots of new automation.

But those workers will now be making 15 dollars an hour for jobs they no longer have......that is supposed to be a win in the mind of a democrat/regressive...right?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Demonizing the minimum wage is just one more way to try to denigrate human beings.

All costs for a business go up over time, all. It is telling that companies accept these rises in the cost of commodities like gasoline, or auto maintenance, or milk, but the moment a HUMAN BEING suggests their cost go up companies lose their shit.

There is something about other human beings getting ahead that just burns the ass of business owners, It isn't a rational thing, it is a human reaction. It's like the person that owns the business is saying 'if these people make more money then I'm not worth as much', though this thought doesn't occur to them re every other commodity.

And labor is a commodity.

Anyone who settles for MW has made their own bed

Basically they don't try to improve which is why they are stuck at MW

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

Sorry but it's the truth

Tell me why some slob working at McD's for years and is still making MW hasn't gotten tries to get a promotion or hasn't used the experience to get a better paying job at another fast food place

You paint EVERYONE with one brush. SORRY the world is far more complicated than that. Cons have a need to devolve everything down to black and white. The world does not work like that.

No it's not really.

MW jobs don't pay more because there is little or no skill needed to perform them

Tell me how many years did you work for MW or perhaps you still are.

I haven't made just MW since I was 16

You know, in the military, you don't make that much either. Even in spite of the fact that many jobs in the Navy are very high tech, advanced jobs, and most of them are held by people in the paygrade of E5 and below.

You know how much I made when I was a First Class (E6) in the Navy, with over 20 years of service? 36,000/year in the last couple of years while I was in, which for the jobs that I held at those times, it was a lot of responsibility. On one tour, I was the only Personnelman onboard who took care of the pay and personnel matters of a crew of around 30 to 40 people. My last tour was working as the Leading Petty Officer running a MEPS, had 4 people working under me, as well as was responsible for making sure that everyone who came to the MEPS was enlisted in the Navy if possible.

No, minimum wage jobs aren't the only low paying ones. The military won't make you rich if you make a career out of it, but it DOES provide for a decent retirement when you finally make it to 20.

 

[guno]

Horn & Hardart gave big city Americans a taste of good fast food in its chrome-and-glass restaurants


History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

 

[MikeK]

When the Automat shut down, which was many years ago, I recall reading its employees, i.e., those who worked in the kitchen behind the wall, the change ladies and bus-men, were very disappointed because they were surprisingly well-paid. The Hardarts (owners of Automat) said the mechanical nature of their restaurants existed as a novelty, not a way of avoiding salaries. The fact was anything they saved by not hiring more servers went to the higher salaries of their minimal number of employees.

And it showed. Because any time I'd gone into the Automat I was impressed by the cleanliness and well-managed atmosphere of the place. It was a pleasure (and fun) to eat there.

Growing up in NYC used to love going to the Automat , the food was great and cheap. buttered kaiser rolls , soups, sandwiches, coffee, pie and cake

So batshit you were happy to spend your money at a place devoted to employee as few people as possible.

That makes you a fucking phony hypocrite jerk.

Back then, unless one were a Poli-Sci major or an active socialist agitator, that factor was the farthest thing from an Automat diner's mind. Back then jobs were plentiful (read up), the Union Movement was aggressively active and wages were not bad.

The Automat was what it was intended to be, a fascinating novelty which, as previously mentioned, had captivated my mother who would take a subway ride just to have lunch there.

I can suggest one important thing; my mom was a clean-freak who always commented on the cleanliness of every nook and cranny of the Automat. So we'll see how this new version works out when the quality of its food and the cleanliness of its window wall, its tables and its floor, etc., is left up to its minimum-wage workers.

I suspect the appeal of this new version is an updated take-off on the appeal of the Automat, which is novelty. So we'll see what happens when the novelty wears off and there's no other appeal to hold the public's interest.

 

[HenryBHough]

A few months ago I walked out of a WH Smith shop in a railway station leaving what would have been my purchases on the shelf by the robo-cashier. Partially because it was too complicated to use and partially because I didn't want the hassle of dealing with it at all.

I went into the shop two doors down and bought the same items - though at a slightly higher price.

Recently I went back to the same railway station and found one of the two shops was no more.

Guess which!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Anyone who settles for MW has made their own bed

Basically they don't try to improve which is why they are stuck at MW

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

Sorry but it's the truth

Tell me why some slob working at McD's for years and is still making MW hasn't gotten tries to get a promotion or hasn't used the experience to get a better paying job at another fast food place

You paint EVERYONE with one brush. SORRY the world is far more complicated than that. Cons have a need to devolve everything down to black and white. The world does not work like that.

No it's not really.

MW jobs don't pay more because there is little or no skill needed to perform them

Tell me how many years did you work for MW or perhaps you still are.

I haven't made just MW since I was 16

You know, in the military, you don't make that much either. Even in spite of the fact that many jobs in the Navy are very high tech, advanced jobs, and most of them are held by people in the paygrade of E5 and below.

You know how much I made when I was a First Class (E6) in the Navy, with over 20 years of service? 36,000/year in the last couple of years while I was in, which for the jobs that I held at those times, it was a lot of responsibility. On one tour, I was the only Personnelman onboard who took care of the pay and personnel matters of a crew of around 30 to 40 people. My last tour was working as the Leading Petty Officer running a MEPS, had 4 people working under me, as well as was responsible for making sure that everyone who came to the MEPS was enlisted in the Navy if possible.

No, minimum wage jobs aren't the only low paying ones. The military won't make you rich if you make a career out of it, but it DOES provide for a decent retirement when you finally make it to 20.

You might not make much but you get free room and board and basically have very few expenses

 

[ABikerSailor]

A fallacy. An argument that everyone that has a minimum wage job is too lazy to find anything better.

Try again.

Sorry but it's the truth

Tell me why some slob working at McD's for years and is still making MW hasn't gotten tries to get a promotion or hasn't used the experience to get a better paying job at another fast food place

You paint EVERYONE with one brush. SORRY the world is far more complicated than that. Cons have a need to devolve everything down to black and white. The world does not work like that.

No it's not really.

MW jobs don't pay more because there is little or no skill needed to perform them

Tell me how many years did you work for MW or perhaps you still are.

I haven't made just MW since I was 16

You know, in the military, you don't make that much either. Even in spite of the fact that many jobs in the Navy are very high tech, advanced jobs, and most of them are held by people in the paygrade of E5 and below.

You know how much I made when I was a First Class (E6) in the Navy, with over 20 years of service? 36,000/year in the last couple of years while I was in, which for the jobs that I held at those times, it was a lot of responsibility. On one tour, I was the only Personnelman onboard who took care of the pay and personnel matters of a crew of around 30 to 40 people. My last tour was working as the Leading Petty Officer running a MEPS, had 4 people working under me, as well as was responsible for making sure that everyone who came to the MEPS was enlisted in the Navy if possible.

No, minimum wage jobs aren't the only low paying ones. The military won't make you rich if you make a career out of it, but it DOES provide for a decent retirement when you finally make it to 20.

You might not make much but you get free room and board and basically have very few expenses

Free room and board only if you're single and living in the barracks. Otherwise, if you're living out in town, they give you Basic Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) and Variable Housing Allowance (VHA), which is supposed to cover what BAQ doesn't, but it never does. They take the average of the rent that everyone is paying, and base the amounts of BAQ and VHA on that, but it only covers about 50 to 75 percent of what the actual rent is.

However.............you still have to buy your food if you don't eat in the chowhall, your dependents still have to be fed, you still have utilities, as well as any other expenses that go along with living in America like car, clothes, etc.

Nope, sorry, but you appear to have never been in the military, because you DO have expenses, and many times, they are equal to what your civilian counterparts have, but they get paid more.

In Newport RI, my BAQ and VHA was around 400 bucks, but my rent came up to 600, and that was before utilities.

In Amarillo TX, my BAQ and VHA came to around 300 bucks, but my rent was 350.

You don't get as much in military benefits as you might think.

 

[MikeK]

A few months ago I walked out of a WH Smith shop in a railway station leaving what would have been my purchases on the shelf by the robo-cashier. Partially because it was too complicated to use and partially because I didn't want the hassle of dealing with it at all.

I went into the shop two doors down and bought the same items - though at a slightly higher price.

Recently I went back to the same railway station and found one of the two shops was no more.

Guess which!

I understand exactly what you're talking about. It is the very reason why I avoid going to Home Depot.

 

[Katzndogz]

Anyone who is over fifty (sixty?) and lived in New York City will remember a small chain of novelty restaurants called, Automats. The Automat - the History, Recipes, and Allure of Horn & Hardart's Masterpiece.

One wall of these neatly appointed places was lined with row after row of small lighted windows behind which were various food items, from sandwiches to such convenient hot dishes as mac & cheese, beef stew, turkey & gravy, etc. A selection was retrieved from behind its window by dropping the designated number of nickels into a slot and turning a handle which popped open a little door.

There were trays and plastic utensils located at the end of a railed counter. coffee was obtained by dropping a nickel into a slot, a window opened, inside was a cup containing sugar packets and little milk cups. Next to the window was a nozzle with a button to push to fill the cup with coffee or tea.

The Automat was impeccably clean. There were only two employees to be seen. One was woman seated in a hexagonal booth in the middle of the dining floor, making change and dispensing twenty nickels for a dollar. The other was a bus-man who wheeled a cart around clearing and wiping down the small square tables that seated four.

My mother loved the Automat. There was one next to the New York Stock Exchange and she would actually take the three-stop subway ride from Brooklyn to Beaver Street just to have lunch there. Something about that place just turned her on.

I don't know how successful such a place would be in today's public atmosphere. I'm sure someone would steal everything that isn't nailed down, break into the little compartments and generally vandalize the place.

But machines doing these things have been around for probably 70 years or more. I remember in movie theaters the coke machine, you drop in the coins and a cup dropped down under the spigot which then dispensed the proper amount of soda. No bottles or cans. That was 50 years ago. And the industry went AWAY from that.

Weird how people get scared of automation. It can only do so much.

I mean other than the computers and industrial robots that are right now constructing Skynet.

Automation such as movie drink dispensers and the automat were victims of inflation. The machinery was not equipped to take paper money. As product got more expensive and cost more than a dollar the machines went away. We have those machines today.

 

[Katzndogz]

Automated food service will be increasingly popular as people will no longer have to deal with sullen personnel who refuses to speak English.

 

[rightwinger]

If coffee servers didn't demand so much pay, we would never have had these