Mexico Warns US, They May Be Bothered. Wow

[protectionist]

Estimated 12 to 40 millions ? And you want me to take your stats seriously ?

Those are the commonly heard estimates. What's your problem ? Too much CNN ? PBS ?

 

[protectionist]

$138 billion is drop in a bucket of how many trillions fo dollars did the economy benefited from them and thousands of businesses live off their hard work from a rancher in Texas to a restaurant in Wyoming.
We spent trillions on wars in the middle east and we didn't squat back.

The economy has not benefitted ANYTHING from them. If they weren't in the jobs they're in, Americans would be in those jobs, and the Americans would be spending their wages in American stores (AKA "the economy"), not sending hundreds of Billions$$ of it out of the country, to be re-inserted into other countries' economies.

Immigrants are a complete loss to the economy, from the smaller disposable income + the remittances, AND to the tax treasuries as well. And $138 Billion is not a drop in any bucket.

 

[protectionist]

The Farmers will pay involuntarily.
Later they will be whining for more (as always) Gobmint handouts.

Now, what the hell are you talking about ? WHAT farmers ? And how do thy get into this ?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Posse Comitatus Act prevents the President or Federal government from using the Military as law enforcement within our borders...for the most part.

The military can help local law enforcement with duties of theirs, but they can not do the actual jobs of border protection. They can't use their arms either.....
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TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT Had Kept Us Free for a Hundred Years

Invasion is not under the restrictions on internal warfare. We used to have Federal forts down near the border with their main assignment being to protect us from the Mexicans and all the other Indians.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Posse Comitatus Act prevents the President or Federal government from using the Military as law enforcement within our borders...for the most part.

The military can help local law enforcement with duties of theirs, but they can not do the actual jobs of border protection. They can't use their arms either.....

And if asylum seekers reach our border, the law requires we take them in, and follow the legal process to determine if they are legal asylum seekers, meeting the criteria for asylum, and that process takes about a year.

So you're saying any country is free to invade the US and the military can't respond?

If a foreign Country is trying to invade us, then there is a process of congress declaring war against them......

The caravan is NOT in any way, a foreign government or Country... these people are trying to escape from their government/their country if they are asylum seekers.

so I have no idea of what you are talking about....?

"Refuges" Are Criminal Fugitives or Cowards Who Won't Fight for Their Own Freedom

Americans who want our nation to have a future are not xenophiles, Xena.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Posse Comitatus Act prevents the President or Federal government from using the Military as law enforcement within our borders...for the most part.

The military can help local law enforcement with duties of theirs, but they can not do the actual jobs of border protection. They can't use their arms either.....

And if asylum seekers reach our border, the law requires we take them in, and follow the legal process to determine if they are legal asylum seekers, meeting the criteria for asylum, and that process takes about a year.

Nonsense! US presidents have employed the National Guard inside the US a number of times. GW Bush did in 2006. Obama did in 2011. In 1957, when Arkansas Governer Orville Faubus called out the National Guard to enforce segregation, then President Eisenhower federalized those troops and put them under HIS command (to integrate the schools). On top of that Ike also sent in US federal troops.

As for the asylum issue, it is about to undergo a rapid and deep overhaul. Days of foreigners treating our border like it was their toy, are over.

They have been sent to assist border patrol on several occasions and this will be no different.... they were not allowed to use their guns, they were not allowed to officially arrest anyone....they were allowed to assist the border patrol but not be militarized....

Trump made it sound like they were going there with arms in hand and were going to use them if someone crossed the border, and that simply is not the case.....

that's all I am saying....

You and everyone else can go and pretend all you want....that this is some BIGLEY macho Trumpian effort to fight the enemy....I can't stop you....

Trump will secure the border, the left will be triggered, in that order.

Trump has done a pretty good job of securing the border already, via his mouth, without a single penny needing to be spent on that wall.... he's put fear in to all of them..... illegal border crossings are down 81% from like 20 years ago....

Should Have Gotten an Oscar for Kings Row

That's the tactic Reagan used. His "off-mike" statement about bombing Russia was intentionally made and "leaked" to scare the Soviets into not taking advantage of any concessions he seemed to make.

 

[protectionist]

They have been sent to assist border patrol on several occasions and this will be no different.... they were not allowed to use their guns, they were not allowed to officially arrest anyone....they were allowed to assist the border patrol but not be militarized....

Trump made it sound like they were going there with arms in hand and were going to use them if someone crossed the border, and that simply is not the case.....

that's all I am saying....

You and everyone else can go and pretend all you want....that this is some BIGLEY macho Trumpian effort to fight the enemy....I can't stop you....

What NG troops do at the Mexican border remains to be seen. There is no such thing as >> "this will be no different.... they were not allowed to use their guns, they were not allowed to officially arrest anyone....they were allowed to assist the border patrol but not be militarized...."

In the past, large numbers of National Guard troops have been sent to the Mexican border. 102 years ago, a liberal Democrat, President Woodrow Wilson, ordered an estimated 75,000 National Guard troops to protect that same southern border after incursions across the U.S. border by Mexicans led by Pancho Villa. This effort placing National Guard military troops on our southern border 102 years ago, effectively sealed our border from further illegal raids into the United States.

Wilson also sent thousands of US troops under the command of General John J. Pershing into Mexico itself to assure of our border’s protection, and chased the Pancho Villa band right down into Mexico. And 70 years before that, 100,000 US troops surrounded Mexico city for 3 months, forcing the Mexicans to cede 1/2 of their territory to the US.

Anything can happen.

 

[kaz]

Get ready for a big HUH ??? Mexico is warning the US that if American National Guard troops placed on the border result in a militarization of it, that relations may be impaired.

Whoa! "Relations" ? So, in other words, Mexico is saying that if we take steps to defend ourselves from the 70 year invasion of our border they have been perpetrating....the international burglary of our economy they have been committing....the theft of millions of our jobs they have done...the theft of Billions of our tax dollars$$...then their feelings will be hurt.

This is like if your next door neighbor was entering your house every week for decades, and stealing things from you, and now you say he shouldn't come in any more, he'll be miffed.
I have one question. Why has Mexico not been taken over by the US, and made into a US territory, under all our laws and regualtions ? And why wasn't this done many years ago ?

After the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), then US President James K. Polk was outraged that we acquired 1/2 of Mexico's territory. Polk thought we should have gotten ALL of Mexico, and made it part of the US, entirely under US rule. No US president ever said anything more correct.

So that means Mexico won't take our money anymore? They'll stop shipping drugs over the border? This could wind up pretty scary for us.

I'm trying to care about their threat, I really am. But I'm not getting anywhere with that

 

[kaz]

You're flat out wrong and I sourced it. They CAN be used on the border, they CAN use their weapons, and they CAN be used for Law Enforcement purposes. Thank you Patriot Act and NDAA.

Insurrection Act.

Insurrection Act - Wikipedia

Your link says that the military can only be used AFTER local authorities and police have failed to keep control of the population.

What population centers are currently in full blown revolt or insurrection?

"Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack" or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]

So, where is it so bad in this country that the local authorities have lost all control?

Chicago for one

 

[kaz]

You're flat out wrong and I sourced it. They CAN be used on the border, they CAN use their weapons, and they CAN be used for Law Enforcement purposes. Thank you Patriot Act and NDAA.

Insurrection Act.

Insurrection Act - Wikipedia

Your link says that the military can only be used AFTER local authorities and police have failed to keep control of the population.

What population centers are currently in full blown revolt or insurrection?

"Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack" or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]

This has nothing to do with it. The military's Constitutional job is to secure our borders. No further justification is required

 

[protectionist]

So that means Mexico won't take our money anymore? They'll stop shipping drugs over the border? This could wind up pretty scary for us.

I'm trying to care about their threat, I really am. But I'm not getting anywhere with that

Mexico has a habit of talking ridiculous. We know that.

 

[protectionist]

Chicago for one

Mexican border for 2.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So you're saying any country is free to invade the US and the military can't respond?

If a foreign Country is trying to invade us, then there is a process of congress declaring war against them......

The caravan is NOT in any way, a foreign government or Country... these people are trying to escape from their government/their country if they are asylum seekers.

so I have no idea of what you are talking about....?

/——/ Well why doesn’t Mexico accept them? Have they no compassion for refugees? Mexico should give them asylum, a drivers license and welfare. What’s stopping them?

I don't know what Mexico's laws are....?

As far as the caravan coming, they did take in about 400 of them, from what I saw on the news last night....but there are some that still plan to move forward to us....

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? They are deporting them, yes I sourced this too.

nbc sent down reporters to follow the caravan people... a few hundred in a Convent some stopped at, are being taken in....just a low number of them there, said they would still continue onward, the rest are not....

Apocalypto Spreading Like The Blob

The Guatemayans were disappointed at NBC feeding them nothingburgers, so they continued with their Mongoloid invasion.

 

[protectionist]

Mexican border for 2.

In reply to >> "So, where is it so bad in this country that the local authorities have lost all control?"

Cities with Democrat mayors for 3 ..Except their loss of control is deliberate.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Posse Comitatus Act prevents the President or Federal government from using the Military as law enforcement within our borders...for the most part.

The military can help local law enforcement with duties of theirs, but they can not do the actual jobs of border protection. They can't use their arms either.....

And if asylum seekers reach our border, the law requires we take them in, and follow the legal process to determine if they are legal asylum seekers, meeting the criteria for asylum, and that process takes about a year.

So you're saying any country is free to invade the US and the military can't respond?

If a foreign Country is trying to invade us, then there is a process of congress declaring war against them......

The caravan is NOT in any way, a foreign government or Country... these people are trying to escape from their government/their country if they are asylum seekers.

so I have no idea of what you are talking about....?

/——/ Well why doesn’t Mexico accept them? Have they no compassion for refugees? Mexico should give them asylum, a drivers license and welfare. What’s stopping them?

I don't know what Mexico's laws are....?

As far as the caravan coming, they did take in about 400 of them, from what I saw on the news last night....but there are some that still plan to move forward to us....

So, it IS an invasion...

And Mexico is COMPLICIT in facilitating it.

Make Them Beg, "No Mas!"

Which is an Act of War. We beat them once; time for a rematch.

 

[kaz]

It absolutely is higher production costs. That’s why that Carrier plant that Trump “saved” is still moving jobs to Mexico despite the massive bribe Trump and Pence paid them in tax breaks.

And is that why GM and FORD and other companies are moving back to the US from Mexico ? Keep banging your head against the wall, if you wish.

There was a guy on the news last night that was being interviewed who said that he'd voted for Trump. Now? He's kinda sorry that he did because the steel tariffs have increased the cost of his trailers that he builds by 25 percent, and he's not sure he can stay competitive with others or even stay in business.

Wanna talk about the soybean farmers? If China boycotts American soybeans, they don't have to worry, because they also trade with Brazil which has had a bumper crop of soybeans recently.

anecdotal fallacy

 

[kaz]

Insurrection Act.

Insurrection Act - Wikipedia

Your link says that the military can only be used AFTER local authorities and police have failed to keep control of the population.

What population centers are currently in full blown revolt or insurrection?

"Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack" or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]

So, where is it so bad in this country that the local authorities have lost all control?

"" or incident, or other condition... the President determines that"

Kind of frightening that the President, ANY President can make the "determination" eh?

"so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws"

Its an easy jump to this "condition" with "illegal" immigration. I'm not claiming that to enact this would be right, but he/they clearly have the authority to do it. Sorry.

It also says that Congress has to be informed as to what is going on and the progress every 14 days. And, Congress can stop him if they so choose.

That has nothing to do with defending our borders. Stop being an idiot

 

[protectionist]

There was a guy on the news last night that was being interviewed who said that he'd voted for Trump. Now? He's kinda sorry that he did because the steel tariffs have increased the cost of his trailers that he builds by 25 percent, and he's not sure he can stay competitive with others or even stay in business.

Wanna talk about the soybean farmers? If China boycotts American soybeans, they don't have to worry, because they also trade with Brazil which has had a bumper crop of soybeans recently.

Wanna talk about the price of aluminum ? It's down 4%.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Get ready for a big HUH ??? Mexico is warning the US that if American National Guard troops placed on the border result in a militarization of it, that relations may be impaired.

Whoa! "Relations" ? So, in other words, Mexico is saying that if we take steps to defend ourselves from the 70 year invasion of our border they have been perpetrating....the international burglary of our economy they have been committing....the theft of millions of our jobs they have done...the theft of Billions of our tax dollars$$...then their feelings will be hurt.

This is like if your next door neighbor was entering your house every week for decades, and stealing things from you, and now you say he shouldn't come in any more, he'll be miffed.
I have one question. Why has Mexico not been taken over by the US, and made into a US territory, under all our laws and regualtions ? And why wasn't this done many years ago ?

After the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), then US President James K. Polk was outraged that we acquired 1/2 of Mexico's territory. Polk thought we should have gotten ALL of Mexico, and made it part of the US, entirely under US rule. No US president ever said anything more correct.

The left says it's racist to secure borders. They are so full of shit.

Of course, libs used to say secure borders were needed.

Even Their Classmates on the Right Use That Illegitimate Term


Notice the traitors' progression from "illegal aliens" to "illegal immigrants." Calling these lawless creatures "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters "shoppers."

 

[protectionist]

Even Their Classmates on the Right Use That Illegitimate Term


Notice the traitors' progression from "illegal aliens" to "illegal immigrants." Calling these lawless creatures "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters "shoppers."

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant", is like calling a bank robber, an "informal withdrawl agent"