Millions out of work - a crumbling infrastructure - I have an idea!

[Oldstyle]

So, are you just trying to help prove that you are a con tool. Lets see what you have here in the first and only link you have provided to support your contention. You go to a forbes opinon piece. Forbes is neutral enough, but they provide articles from far left and far right sources. Opinion pieces are fine, if you have a neutral source. But if you do not know that the author is impartial, a quick check will tell you what you are looking at. So, the author is Avik Roy. Familiar name?? Yes, indeed. He was involved with Romney in his campaign. You remember, the guy who said he would repeal Obamacare immediately.
So, he is a Senior Fellow, at the Manhattan Institute.
The Manhattan Institute (MI) is a right-wing 501(c)(3) non-profit think tank founded in 1978 by William J. Casey, who later became President Ronald Reagan's CIA director.
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research - SourceWatch

He also writes regularly for National Affairs, The American Spectator. In 2012, he served as an adviser to the Romney campaign on health care policy.
Manhattan Institute Scholar | Avik Roy

So, Oldstyle, you found a right wing con tool who did a very biased piece for Forbes. Nice job, oldstyle. On the up side you showed you could use google and produce a link. But the idea is IMPARTIALITY. I am sure you are going to argue this point, because you can not find an impartial source you like. But you failed again in the area of INTEGRITY. Here is an example, should you not understand that simple idea. I could get an article from MoveOn authors. But i don't. You see, I value impartiality, and do not like to ruin my integrity. Look it up, Oldstyle.
So, you found a con tool who bent a CBO piece from earlier this year, which I am very familiar with. It said only that they increased the costs of the ACA in their estimates. Which is something that they tend to do. And they increased them only marginally. Not as much as, say, private insurance companies have raised insurance rates to consumers for many years. But again, you just want to show the ACA as being a bad idea.
But here is the more important thing, and one that you are ignoring. In a more recent release, the CBO has said that eliminating the ACA and going back to whence we came, as in private insurance that you so like, the costs would be INCREASED to the consumer, and that the result would be an increase in the DEFICIT by $1.8B. You are giving me whiplash. You absolutely want to decrease the deficit. Typically, cons say that the deficit is the biggest economic problem. But at the same time, cons universally are against the ACA, which is projected to decrease the deficit. Why would that be? Simple enough, oh economic expert. Because the health insurance companies PAY republican politicians. Big time pay. And I would be very, very, very surprised if they did not pay your source, Mr. Roy.
So, I suspect it is too much to ask for a non partisan source, eh, oldstyle. Say the CBO itself.

So, you have managed to again keep padding your right wing con tool credentials. You said, oh great con tool, that you only read impartial information. Lying again, eh oldstyle???

Only someone who is head over heels delusional thinks that ObamaCare is going to decrease the deficit. It's going to add to the deficit and it's going to add to it in a major way.

Thank you so much for your opinion. I so much value your opinion, oh con tool. So, apparently I should base my beliefs on your opinion, and forget those impartial experts. Maybe you should publish a book. Of course, it would just blend in with all the other books written by con tools.

You know what will be amusing, Rshermr? To watch your explanations as the costs of ObamaCare continue to increase the deficit. I think we both know it's going to happen. My guess is that you will then deny that you ever SAID that ObamaCare was going to shrink the deficit. I'm a rather patient person. I think I'll enjoy watching you try to walk this whole argument back in a few years.

 

[Oldstyle]

The major flaw in the CBO reports, that allow a conclusion that ObamaCare will save money, is the double counting of trust-fund financing that is simultaneously being used to extend the trust-fund while at the same time being used to pay for coverage expansions that ObamaCare mandates.

And you are so smart, Oldstyle, that only you know that. And you figured this out by yourself, with no help from any source, eh. If you have a source, lets see it. But I think not. I do believe that you are delusional.

Gosh, don't tell me that you're unaware of the double counting, Rshermr! I thought you were informed on this subject? LOL

 

[Rshermr]

And thank you for finally setting the record straight that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi both DID lie about the jobs that ObamaCare would create!

Interesting that you are so interested in that idea. I did not say they lied, oldstyle. I said I do not believe what politicians say. That would mean, oldstyle, that I do not know what truth there is in their statements, that is, lots of truth or very little truth.
So, it is really, really obvious at this point that you are a con tool. You have gone after dems for lying, in your pointy little head, but not after a single repub. Not that I would bother, myself. But it is such a great opportunity for you to pad your con tool credentials. And now, oldstyle, it is time for you to lie again and say you are NOT a con tool.

 

[Oldstyle]

And thank you for finally setting the record straight that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi both DID lie about the jobs that ObamaCare would create!

Some, yes. But here is the thing, oldstyle. I am tired of educating you. I don't even think you are really this ignorant. You claim to have a degree in History. If that is true, you did research. If you did research, and you had even average professors, you did not use partial sources for your research. And you provided impartial sources for your writing assignments. Now, you seem to have gone brain dead about the subject.
So, at any rate, I will not bring you an article from moveon, and you can take that post and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I won't ask you to waste your time discussing a move on article, and I will not waste my time discussing an article from your right wing source.

Is this too complex for you to understand, dipshit?? I DO NOT LIKE HAVING MY TIME WASTED on drivel.

Ah, I hate to point out the obvious, Rshermr...but MOST of what you post falls under the heading of "drivel".

 

[rdean]

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...23ca7c4da5ccfb&bpcl=40096503&biw=1738&bih=931

Home | King Arthur Flour

https://www.youtube.com/user/kingarthurflour

Blurt: The Seven Days Staff Blog: Vermont Lands $47 Million in Broadband Stimulus Grants

One of my favorite stories is "King Authur Flour". An American company that has been around 220 years and makes specialty flour for high end baking. Since Broadband from stimulus money was installed, this "small business" now has expanded and is selling all over the world to high end restaurants. Online baking classes. Specialty baking utensils and pans. I saw a video of an employee pointing to a new and giant warehouse and saying, "All this from broadband". This is only one example. There are many. Republicans simply don't want to hear it. They have to believe the stimulus is a failure, otherwise, it becomes apparent it is they are are the failed.

I thought you opposed corporate welfare...?

You really mean to tell me that King Arthur couldn't have gotten their own high-speed connection to the internet?

Sucker!!

Probably not. Small, struggling companies don't have the capital to build infrastructure. Especially if they are out in the boonies. That's why we have government. Are you retarded? Seriously, it would explain so much.

 

[Oldstyle]

And thank you for finally setting the record straight that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi both DID lie about the jobs that ObamaCare would create!

Interesting that you are so interested in that idea. I did not say they lied, oldstyle. I said I do not believe what politicians say. That would mean, oldstyle, that I do not know what truth there is in their statements, that is, lots of truth or very little truth.
So, it is really, really obvious at this point that you are a con tool. You have gone after dems for lying, in your pointy little head, but not after a single repub. Not that I would bother, myself. But it is such a great opportunity for you to pad your con tool credentials. And now, oldstyle, it is time for you to lie again and say you are NOT a con tool.

Wow...now THAT was some serious BS you're laying down there, "Tommy"! You didn't say they lied...you just don't believe what they say? Really?

 

[rdean]

Republicans have spent trillions on Iraq and Afghanistan. During the presidential debate, Romney said we should invest in economies and schools and infrastructure overseas.

What will it take to get conservatives to want to invest in this country?

What will it take to get conservatives to want to invest in this country?

Money probably....
We don't have any...
WE are borrowing money now so we can spend it...

Is ANY of this getting through to you Libs?

So lets don't do anything. That will pay down the debt.

 

[Oldstyle]

And thank you for finally setting the record straight that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi both DID lie about the jobs that ObamaCare would create!

Interesting that you are so interested in that idea. I did not say they lied, oldstyle. I said I do not believe what politicians say. That would mean, oldstyle, that I do not know what truth there is in their statements, that is, lots of truth or very little truth.
So, it is really, really obvious at this point that you are a con tool. You have gone after dems for lying, in your pointy little head, but not after a single repub. Not that I would bother, myself. But it is such a great opportunity for you to pad your con tool credentials. And now, oldstyle, it is time for you to lie again and say you are NOT a con tool.

To be honest with you, Rshermr...I don't know what a "con tool" is. You use the term like it's a concrete description like black or white. Am I a fiscal conservative? Yes. Very much so. But since I'm also pro-choice, have zero problem with same sex marriage, would like to see a ban on the sale of assault weapons and am an agnostic who believes strongly in the separation of church and state, then I'm going to go WAY out on a limb here and say that I'm NOT your stereotypical "con". Ignorant people resort to stereotyping because they're not intelligent enough to do otherwise.

 

[Rshermr]

And thank you for finally setting the record straight that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi both DID lie about the jobs that ObamaCare would create!

Interesting that you are so interested in that idea. I did not say they lied, oldstyle. I said I do not believe what politicians say. That would mean, oldstyle, that I do not know what truth there is in their statements, that is, lots of truth or very little truth.
So, it is really, really obvious at this point that you are a con tool. You have gone after dems for lying, in your pointy little head, but not after a single repub. Not that I would bother, myself. But it is such a great opportunity for you to pad your con tool credentials. And now, oldstyle, it is time for you to lie again and say you are NOT a con tool.

Wow...now THAT was some serious BS you're laying down there, "Tommy"! You didn't say they lied...you just don't believe what they say? Really?

You believe politicians when they talk? Really?
do you have any thing of value to say, or simply more of this kind of drivel?

 

[Oldstyle]

Interesting that you are so interested in that idea. I did not say they lied, oldstyle. I said I do not believe what politicians say. That would mean, oldstyle, that I do not know what truth there is in their statements, that is, lots of truth or very little truth.
So, it is really, really obvious at this point that you are a con tool. You have gone after dems for lying, in your pointy little head, but not after a single repub. Not that I would bother, myself. But it is such a great opportunity for you to pad your con tool credentials. And now, oldstyle, it is time for you to lie again and say you are NOT a con tool.

Wow...now THAT was some serious BS you're laying down there, "Tommy"! You didn't say they lied...you just don't believe what they say? Really?

You believe politicians when they talk? Really?
do you have any thing of value to say, or simply more of this kind of drivel?

When someone lies...I call them on it. That goes for politicians and anyone else. "Drivel" is that nonsense that you just spouted about not knowing whether there is lots of truth or very little truth. Stop embarrassing yourself. They lied...you know it...I know it...and that attempt to tip toe around it was nothing short of pathetic.

 

[Oldstyle]

You need to regroup, Rshermr...you're getting your liberal ass handed to you this morning. Have a cup of coffee and wake up.

 

[Rshermr]

Oldstyle says:

To be honest with you, Rshermr...I don't know what a "con tool" is. You use the term like it's a concrete description like black or white. Am I a fiscal conservative? Yes. Very much so. But since I'm also pro-choice, have zero problem with same sex marriage, would like to see a ban on the sale of assault weapons and am an agnostic who believes strongly in the separation of church and state, then I'm going to go WAY out on a limb here and say that I'm NOT your stereotypical "con". Ignorant people resort to stereotyping because they're not intelligent enough to do otherwise.

Oh, I think you do indeed know. And your first problem is that you say "to be honest with you, Honesty, oldstyle, is not one of your strong suits. So, you say you do not agree with some of the repub social issues. So you say. but you tend to lie a lot, oldstyle, so who knows.
So, for the hell of it, here is what" a con tool is based on:
1. Money ownes politics, and pretty much completely ownes the republican party. Also too many of the democratic party.
2. That money ownes the right wing in a variety of ways, including tv (Fox, the only political channel set out to continually attack dems and support the ideas of corporatism. Dogma, Oldstyle, anything that helps the Koch bros is what they support.
3. Hundreds of well funded web sites, which have grown in numbers and size since the 1970's. Sites funded and supported by big money.
4. Think tanks that are not think tanks. Set up to support the right wing, corporatist ideas.
5. Talking points developed by right wing think tanks and right wing paid "consultants" to further the right wing ideals.
6. Orgainizations set up to support, with tons of money, right wing candidates.
7. A whole base of support for things good for corporations with no interest in what is good for the middle class.
8. An educational process based on psychological techniques, to make the followers true believers by making them angry and ignorant.

So, I am sure you will believe none of this, because no con tool does. Makes them to much of a tool, to little of a free thinker. But you see, oldstyle, I have studied the phenomonon for years. My best friend is a con tool. Finally admits it, saying that he prefers to believe what he wants to believe. And I know many others. And I see you quite clearly as another of the many. Not a majority of people, by any means, somewhere under 20% of the population by all studies.
So, I see you as out to help the insurance companies because you are a con tool. Marching in lock step with the corporate masters who provide you the information you need and make you angry because you actually like being angry. And keeping you from being open minded, looking at information openly. Keeping your mind closed to any opposing views.

And, Oldstyle, many of the con tools are paid to post dogma on sites all over the world. Money flows. Professors are paid big time, by the far right organizations, to support their dogma in articles. If you have a higher degree in economics, the best way to make big bucks is to work for CATO. As an economics PHD who posts on this blog said recently, CATO is the Birch Society today. Which is rational enough, as it was founded and run by the Koch brothers, who's father was a founding member of the John Birch Society.
So, there you go in a nutshell. I could talk for hours on the subject. Because there is a lot of data out there. But you have to be impartial to get to that data. So you would not know.

 

[Rshermr]

Wow...now THAT was some serious BS you're laying down there, "Tommy"! You didn't say they lied...you just don't believe what they say? Really?

You believe politicians when they talk? Really?
do you have any thing of value to say, or simply more of this kind of drivel?

When someone lies...I call them on it. That goes for politicians and anyone else. "Drivel" is that nonsense that you just spouted about not knowing whether there is lots of truth or very little truth. Stop embarrassing yourself. They lied...you know it...I know it...and that attempt to tip toe around it was nothing short of pathetic.

Lets be honest, oldstyle. As a con tool, when dem politicians lie, in your opinion, you call them on it. Oddly enough, oldstyle, you do not call con tools or repubs in general, on anything they ever say. Odd, eh.
And, oldstyle, lets see if you can understand this really complex idea. I do not care if they lied or told the truth. It makes no real difference to me. Do you have some point that you are trying to make? Well, yes, of course you do. You are attacking dems. Because you can not argue your points successfully, because those points were untrue. Now, since I have proven you to have posted untrue statements, you have nothing left to do but attack politicians and me. Standard con tool tactics.

 

[Rshermr]

You need to regroup, Rshermr...you're getting your liberal ass handed to you this morning. Have a cup of coffee and wake up.

Yes, indeed, you do need to regroup. But hard to do when you are delusional. Go turn on fox. It will make you feel better. And, no, oldstyle, you have handed no one their ass. In fact, you are down to the point that you have nothing left but personal attacks.

 

[daveman]

Just so you know, Rshermr? One of the great things about living in America is that we don't bow down to our President. He works for us...not the other way around. I don't have to kiss his ring...I don't have to genuflect in his direction and I don't have to refer to him as "Mr. President" unless I choose to do so. I refer to Barack Obama as Barry in a tongue in cheek way because of the way so many of you grovel at the feet of someone who's performance AS President has been underwhelming at best.

He's going to report you to ATTACKWATCH!!

 

[daveman]

The major flaw in the CBO reports, that allow a conclusion that ObamaCare will save money, is the double counting of trust-fund financing that is simultaneously being used to extend the trust-fund while at the same time being used to pay for coverage expansions that ObamaCare mandates.

Nobody believes the CBO reports. Even the head of the CBO, who wrote explaining his agency's absurd conclusion was mandated by rules stating he must use only what was provided.

Garbage in, garbage out. And Democrats made sure they gave the CBO nothing but garbage.

 

[daveman]

So, Oldstyle, the con tool. says:

So let me see if I've got this straight...me calling Barack Obama by the name he went by for years...Barry... shows a lack of "class" but your calling me "dipshit" and "shithead" is perfectly acceptable and oh so classy? Just want to make sure I understand how things work in your strange little world!

So, oldstyle, here is a news flash. You are NOT a sitting president. If you were, I would not call you a shithead. But you are not. What you tell me, and I accept, is that you are a food services professional. And you are a con tool. And so you spend a lot of time posting bullshit, and wasting my time. So yes, in my opinion, you are a shithead. And, because you are a con tool, you are a shithead. But, if you can just get elected president, by the majority of the people in this country, I will not call you my pet name.

Just so you know, Rshermr? One of the great things about living in America is that we don't bow down to our President. He works for us...not the other way around. I don't have to kiss his ring...I don't have to genuflect in his direction and I don't have to refer to him as "Mr. President" unless I choose to do so. I refer to Barack Obama as Barry in a tongue in cheek way because of the way so many of you grovel at the feet of someone who's performance AS President has been underwhelming at best.

Jesus, that was a really stupid and ignorant paragraph. No, you do not. But your opinion is your opinion, dipshit. And nothing more. And your actions are your actions. And you own them. And no, Oldstyle, this pres does not and has not gone by Barry in his adult life. And you know why you call him by that name. And so does everyone else who reads your posts. So, you own your actions. And you have no class. In fact you could care less about class. You are just a con tool who works as a food services guy in a position so trivial that you can post during your working day. But we should care about your opinion. Got it.

TRANSLATION:

 

[daveman]

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...23ca7c4da5ccfb&bpcl=40096503&biw=1738&bih=931

Home | King Arthur Flour

https://www.youtube.com/user/kingarthurflour

Blurt: The Seven Days Staff Blog: Vermont Lands $47 Million in Broadband Stimulus Grants

One of my favorite stories is "King Authur Flour". An American company that has been around 220 years and makes specialty flour for high end baking. Since Broadband from stimulus money was installed, this "small business" now has expanded and is selling all over the world to high end restaurants. Online baking classes. Specialty baking utensils and pans. I saw a video of an employee pointing to a new and giant warehouse and saying, "All this from broadband". This is only one example. There are many. Republicans simply don't want to hear it. They have to believe the stimulus is a failure, otherwise, it becomes apparent it is they are are the failed.

I thought you opposed corporate welfare...?

You really mean to tell me that King Arthur couldn't have gotten their own high-speed connection to the internet?

Sucker!!

Probably not. Small, struggling companies don't have the capital to build infrastructure. Especially if they are out in the boonies. That's why we have government. Are you retarded? Seriously, it would explain so much.

A hundred bucks a month.

HughesNet Plans and Pricing, High Speed Rural Satellite Internet

More government is not the answer to every problem. You cannot understand this, being a Statist useful idiot.

 

[daveman]

Republicans have spent trillions on Iraq and Afghanistan. During the presidential debate, Romney said we should invest in economies and schools and infrastructure overseas.

What will it take to get conservatives to want to invest in this country?

What will it take to get conservatives to want to invest in this country?

Money probably....
We don't have any...
WE are borrowing money now so we can spend it...

Is ANY of this getting through to you Libs?

So lets don't do anything. That will pay down the debt.

Neither will continuing to spend more than we take in.

You and other morons, like Obama, don't get that.

 

[daveman]

Interesting that you are so interested in that idea. I did not say they lied, oldstyle. I said I do not believe what politicians say. That would mean, oldstyle, that I do not know what truth there is in their statements, that is, lots of truth or very little truth.
So, it is really, really obvious at this point that you are a con tool. You have gone after dems for lying, in your pointy little head, but not after a single repub. Not that I would bother, myself. But it is such a great opportunity for you to pad your con tool credentials. And now, oldstyle, it is time for you to lie again and say you are NOT a con tool.

Wow...now THAT was some serious BS you're laying down there, "Tommy"! You didn't say they lied...you just don't believe what they say? Really?

You believe politicians when they talk? Really?
do you have any thing of value to say, or simply more of this kind of drivel?

You take what the CBO says as gospel, even though the data they're given comes from politicians.

Idiot.