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Money for Ukraine.
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para bellum
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$27bn in financial aid isn't the lion's share but it isn't exactly chump change either. That's cash, used to pay salaries and keep the gov't in Kiev open. No doubt some of that has been siphoned off in the various ministries it funds, and I also have no doubt the Ukraine lobby in D.C. is spreading around cash pretty freely.
The military aid is mostly spent in the US, but we've also spent a lot on WarPac ammunition and drones and small arms that are not produced in the US.
It doesn't mean we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine, but it demands oversight on where it all goes.
The military aid is mostly spent in the US, but we've also spent a lot on WarPac ammunition and drones and small arms that are not produced in the US.
It doesn't mean we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine, but it demands oversight on where it all goes.
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It is more blessed to give, than to receive?As long as there are wars, we should be major players.
Woodznutz
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Maintaining a strong military requires lots of 'goods and services', all produced by private business and industry. We get jobs as well as security. Much of what is produced in America is a luxury, not a necessity.No bullshit, Sparky....This war spending is what we call "miscalculation of funds"....The money being wasted on war would otherwise be saved or invested/spent on peaceful production of goods and services.
That's the way the world works.
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Woodznutz
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Putin always had designs on Ukraine, and Trump wouldn't be in office forever.It just sounds like a dangerous thing to do at this time. Collapsing another country's economy could have some pretty serious global consequences. I have no love for Russian but they do supply much of the world with food and oil. So what happens to those countries who are dependent on them for resources? They starve, which means more political unrest in the world. This whole thing wouldn't have happened under Trump.
Woodznutz
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Just some food for thought.
The differences between the flow of money and the flow of goods and services are night and day. For example, a Latina waitress receives her pay from a restaurant, then sends half of it to family in Mexico. There is no relationship between what she produces and where the money eventually goes.
The differences between the flow of money and the flow of goods and services are night and day. For example, a Latina waitress receives her pay from a restaurant, then sends half of it to family in Mexico. There is no relationship between what she produces and where the money eventually goes.
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Bleipriester
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Nevertheless, there is a lot of financial aid.Most of the aid is material, not financial.
Military aid is better provided as hardware, anyway.
However, this all only prolongs the war.
Woodznutz
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It's becoming a war of attrition, of both men and material. Ukraine is positioned to win in both areas. The western alliance can out supply Russia, and Ukraine's kill ratio mitigates Russia's superior numbers.Nevertheless, there is a lot of financial aid.
Military aid is better provided as hardware, anyway.
However, this all only prolongs the war.
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Tough sht for the Russians. Maybe they should just go home and develop their own country, instead of trying to rule and exploit other countries.Nevertheless, there is a lot of financial aid.
Military aid is better provided as hardware, anyway.
However, this all only prolongs the war.
Bleipriester
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We don´t have an idea about the casualties on both sides. An Austrian general said a few days ago that Ukraine is out of tanks. I guess this is why Nato is rushing tanks into Ukraine now. A German general just said, that Ukraine has only "volunteers" and reservists left. That means the whole army is facing extinction.It's becoming a war of attrition, of both men and material. Ukraine is positioned to win in both areas. The western alliance can out supply Russia, and Ukraine's kill ratio mitigates Russia's superior numbers.
As we speak, more news are arriving.
"BERLIN—Germany, France and Britain see stronger ties between NATO and Ukraine as a way to encourage Kyiv to start peace talks with Russia later this year, officials from the three governments said, as some of Kyiv’s Western partners have growing doubts over its ability to reconquer all its territory."
WSJ News Exclusive | NATO’s Biggest European Members Float Defense Pact With Ukraine
Germany, France and Britain want to bind Ukraine closer to NATO to encourage Kyiv to start peace talks with Russia.
www.wsj.com
It is over, man.
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Originally posted by Woodznutz
Ukraine's kill ratio
Ukraine's kill ratio that comes straight out of Zelensky's butt doesn't count.
Bleipriester
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There were millions of Ukrainian Russians under the rule of russophobe Bandera-maniacs.Tough sht for the Russians. Maybe they should just go home and develop their own country, instead of trying to rule and exploit other countries.
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It's becoming a war of attrition, of both men and material. Ukraine is positioned to win in both areas. The western alliance can out supply Russia, and Ukraine's kill ratio mitigates Russia's superior numbers.
So what are we going to do when China finally decides to step into the fray, and starts giving Russia the support they're asking for? Or even decides it's time to take Taiwan? Are we prepared to support two wars by two aligned axis countries?
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Throwing a fuckton of resources at yet another idiotic foreign war isn't "maintaining a strong military" by any stretch...Moreover, there's so much waste, duplication, and grift in the Pentagon budget that you could cut its budget in half, give all the enlistees nice big raises, and nobody would know the difference.Maintaining a strong military requires lots of 'goods and services', all produced by private business and industry. We get jobs as well as security. Much of what is produced in America is a luxury, not a necessity.
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The media and the government would have you believe that we are sending $Billions to Ukraine.
How much money has the US given to Ukraine?
A year into the conflict, some are wondering where the money goes - and if the aid is worth the cost.www.bbc.com
Actually, we are sending weapons, ammunition, and other aid to Ukraine. The money stays here.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Who is paying for those things?
I believe most of the money goes to The Cabal, not Ukraine.The media and the government would have you believe that we are sending $Billions to Ukraine.
How much money has the US given to Ukraine?
A year into the conflict, some are wondering where the money goes - and if the aid is worth the cost.
Actually, we are sending weapons, ammunition, and other aid to Ukraine. The money stays here.
Just wanted to clear that up.
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