Morality of Wealth Redistribution

[Care4all]

The Bible commands that wealth should be distibuted equally. But this is not a Christian nation.

Jesus talked about giving to the poor, freely. That is, out of your own good-will.

They collected taxes in those days, and yet he mentioned nothing about having the government do it for you. I find it quite interesting when people quote Jesus and the Bible claiming they teach socialist principles. When in fact, they do anything but.

Jesus said none of the LAW was abolished by him but fulfilled by Him....part of the Law required their citizens to give to the poor, provide for the needy....as example they were required to not harvest or sell all of the fruits and veggies that they grew but to let the needy come in to their fields to feed themselves....There were tithings required by the Law which are taxes....that required their givings....The Law was their government, a Theocracy....but still government....


When the rich man asked what he could do to be 'saved' he told the man to give up everything he had and give it to the needy...

On judgement day He gathered the Nations before Him and separated the sheep from the goats...

Matthew 25:31-46

New International Version (NIV)

The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Bible commands that wealth should be distibuted equally. But this is not a Christian nation.

No, it certainly does not.

 

[Newby]

The Bible commands that wealth should be distibuted equally. But this is not a Christian nation.

Jesus talked about giving to the poor, freely. That is, out of your own good-will.

They collected taxes in those days, and yet he mentioned nothing about having the government do it for you. I find it quite interesting when people quote Jesus and the Bible claiming they teach socialist principles. When in fact, they do anything but.

Jesus was talking about the spirit of charity, not the means of implementing it. Keep in mind the vast differences in social structures between then and now. Today, the method of caring for the poor is different but the motivation for doing it (spirit) is the same. It, along with everything else, is simply more complicated.

Whether or not the spirit of charity, i.e., "good will," attends the modern means of giving to the poor, while there are some who would let a beggar starve rather than toss him a coin the vast majority would not. So in spite of the comparative complication in caring for the poor, the intention and the spirit remain constant.

So, you think we as a society are all going to heaven because we redistribute wealth via taxation? That equals the 'spirit of charity'? Do you think Christ cares that money was taken out of your paycheck and supposedly given to someone who had their hands out? You have a lot to learn about salvation and Jesus Christ if that is how you understand His words. Even if you have the 'spirit' of charity to give your own money after you've paid your taxes, if you don't DO anything about it, it will be meaningless in God's eyes. Jesus Christ was here for the salvation of the individual, one person at a time, not as a nation. If you have in your heart to help those less fortunate, then you will do so of your own free will, not by coersion via society at large. That is the kind of heart Christ would want to see, taxation has nothing to do with it.


Mark 12

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins,j worth only a fraction of a penny.


43Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

 

[Spoonman]

Jesus talked about giving to the poor, freely. That is, out of your own good-will.

They collected taxes in those days, and yet he mentioned nothing about having the government do it for you. I find it quite interesting when people quote Jesus and the Bible claiming they teach socialist principles. When in fact, they do anything but.

Jesus was talking about the spirit of charity, not the means of implementing it. Keep in mind the vast differences in social structures between then and now. Today, the method of caring for the poor is different but the motivation for doing it (spirit) is the same. It, along with everything else, is simply more complicated.

Whether or not the spirit of charity, i.e., "good will," attends the modern means of giving to the poor, while there are some who would let a beggar starve rather than toss him a coin the vast majority would not. So in spite of the comparative complication in caring for the poor, the intention and the spirit remain constant.

So, you think we as a society are all going to heaven because we redistribute wealth via taxation? That equals the 'spirit of charity'? Do you think Christ cares that money was taken out of your paycheck and supposedly given to someone who had their hands out? You have a lot to learn about salvation and Jesus Christ if that is how you understand His words. Even if you have the 'spirit' of charity to give your own money after you've paid your taxes, if you don't DO anything about it, it will be meaningless in God's eyes. Jesus Christ was here for the salvation of the individual, one person at a time, not as a nation. If you have in your heart to help those less fortunate, then you will do so of your own free will, not by coersion via society at large. That is the kind of heart Christ would want to see, taxation has nothing to do with it.


Mark 12

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins,j worth only a fraction of a penny.


43Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

great point. redistributed tax dollars are not the will or generosity of the public.

 

[regent]

Every nation redistributes its wealth.
All governments determine how the nation's wealth is redistributed.
How the government determines the wealth redistribution determines not only the economic well being of the nation, the nation's class system and to some extent the type of government.
Does a democracy need a middle class?

 

[bripat9643]

Jesus was talking about the spirit of charity, not the means of implementing it. Keep in mind the vast differences in social structures between then and now. Today, the method of caring for the poor is different but the motivation for doing it (spirit) is the same. It, along with everything else, is simply more complicated.

Whether or not the spirit of charity, i.e., "good will," attends the modern means of giving to the poor, while there are some who would let a beggar starve rather than toss him a coin the vast majority would not. So in spite of the comparative complication in caring for the poor, the intention and the spirit remain constant.

Welfare isn't charity. It's theft.

 

[bripat9643]

Every nation redistributes its wealth.
All governments determine how the nation's wealth is redistributed.
How the government determines the wealth redistribution determines not only the economic well being of the nation, the nation's class system and to some extent the type of government.
Does a democracy need a middle class?

All you're saying is that all governments are nothing more than a gang of criminals.

 

[regent]

Every nation redistributes its wealth.
All governments determine how the nation's wealth is redistributed.
How the government determines the wealth redistribution determines not only the economic well being of the nation, the nation's class system and to some extent the type of government.
Does a democracy need a middle class?

All you're saying is that all governments are nothing more than a gang of criminals.

To use a Romney, I'm saying what I said.
What does a gang of criminals have to do with the redistribution of wealth?
Can you name a nation that does not redistribute its wealth?
Are governments involved or not involved in redistribution process?
Does America redistrubute its wealth?
Is the government involved?

 

[Againsheila]

Jesus was talking about the spirit of charity, not the means of implementing it. Keep in mind the vast differences in social structures between then and now. Today, the method of caring for the poor is different but the motivation for doing it (spirit) is the same. It, along with everything else, is simply more complicated.

Whether or not the spirit of charity, i.e., "good will," attends the modern means of giving to the poor, while there are some who would let a beggar starve rather than toss him a coin the vast majority would not. So in spite of the comparative complication in caring for the poor, the intention and the spirit remain constant.

Welfare isn't charity. It's theft.

Does that include corporate welfare?

 

[bripat9643]

Every nation redistributes its wealth.
All governments determine how the nation's wealth is redistributed.
How the government determines the wealth redistribution determines not only the economic well being of the nation, the nation's class system and to some extent the type of government.
Does a democracy need a middle class?

All you're saying is that all governments are nothing more than a gang of criminals.

To use a Romney, I'm saying what I said.
What does a gang of criminals have to do with the redistribution of wealth?

"Redistribution of wealth" is a criminal act.

Can you name a nation that does not redistribute its wealth?

How would that prove it's not a criminal act?

Are governments involved or not involved in redistribution process?

Again, how would that prove it's not a criminal act?

Does America redistrubute its wealth?
Is the government involved?

Again, how would that prove it's not a criminal act?

 

[bripat9643]

Welfare isn't charity. It's theft.

Does that include corporate welfare?

Sure it does, but it doesn't include tax cuts or deductions for legitimate business expenses.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Does that include corporate welfare?

TARP was the deliberate and calculated theft of the assets of the middle class on behalf of well connect looters at Chase, Goldman Sachs, BofA, et al.

What other than criminal could you call it?

 

[Foxfyre]

The Bible commands that wealth should be distibuted equally. But this is not a Christian nation.

Jesus talked about giving to the poor, freely. That is, out of your own good-will.

They collected taxes in those days, and yet he mentioned nothing about having the government do it for you. I find it quite interesting when people quote Jesus and the Bible claiming they teach socialist principles. When in fact, they do anything but.

Jesus said none of the LAW was abolished by him but fulfilled by Him....part of the Law required their citizens to give to the poor, provide for the needy....as example they were required to not harvest or sell all of the fruits and veggies that they grew but to let the needy come in to their fields to feed themselves....There were tithings required by the Law which are taxes....that required their givings....The Law was their government, a Theocracy....but still government....


When the rich man asked what he could do to be 'saved' he told the man to give up everything he had and give it to the needy...

On judgement day He gathered the Nations before Him and separated the sheep from the goats...

Matthew 25:31-46

New International Version (NIV)

The Sheep and the Goats

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Well, I don't think the man Jesus would have mentioned the government back then as the government didn't provide social services and there was nothing in any of his words that we have to suggest that he considered it the government's duty to do so. He was obviously speaking of the individual. And I'm pretty sure I'm safe in saying that he would have condemned any who did not see it as their personal responsibility but who felt righteous when they left it to others via the government to do.

When you have 47% of Americans who are currently paying little or no federal income taxes at all, does that mean that 47% of Americans are destined to hell because they aren't helping the poor with their taxes?

 

[DiamondDave]

Jesus was talking about the spirit of charity, not the means of implementing it. Keep in mind the vast differences in social structures between then and now. Today, the method of caring for the poor is different but the motivation for doing it (spirit) is the same. It, along with everything else, is simply more complicated.

Whether or not the spirit of charity, i.e., "good will," attends the modern means of giving to the poor, while there are some who would let a beggar starve rather than toss him a coin the vast majority would not. So in spite of the comparative complication in caring for the poor, the intention and the spirit remain constant.

Welfare isn't charity. It's theft.

Does that include corporate welfare?

Yes... all welfare/entitlement should be stopped.. the government is not your mommy, not your nanny, and not your cash cow.. it was never constitutionally charged to be so

 

[Foxfyre]

Welfare isn't charity. It's theft.

Does that include corporate welfare?

Yes... all welfare/entitlement should be stopped.. the government is not your mommy, not your nanny, and not your cash cow.. it was never constitutionally charged to be so

I have long proposed a constitutional amendment that would eliminate the federal government's ability to give money or benefits of any kind to anY special interest whether people, demographics, businesses, socioeconomic groups, countries, or whatever unless the same benefit was given to all regardless of their race, ethnicity, demographic, socioeconomic standing. So if you give Joe the Plumber something you have to give it to Warren Buffet too. That would eliminate almost all of the graft and corruption in the political process at the federal level and would give us public servants again instead of career politicians controlling the process.

And, as the Founders intended, the states and local governments could do whatever they pleased in the area of social services, and there would be a hell of a lot more money available for the local charities.

 

[Spoonman]

Does that include corporate welfare?

Yes... all welfare/entitlement should be stopped.. the government is not your mommy, not your nanny, and not your cash cow.. it was never constitutionally charged to be so

I have long proposed a constitutional amendment that would eliminate the federal government's ability to give money or benefits of any kind to anY special interest whether people, demographics, businesses, socioeconomic groups, countries, or whatever unless the same benefit was given to all regardless of their race, ethnicity, demographic, socioeconomic standing. So if you give Joe the Plumber something you have to give it to Warren Buffet too. That would eliminate almost all of the graft and corruption in the political process at the federal level and would give us public servants again instead of career politicians controlling the process.

And, as the Founders intended, the states and local governments could do whatever they pleased in the area of social services, and there would be a hell of a lot more money available for the local charities.

i have to agree. are we truly equal or not? most social, employment and economic programs say we are not. If we are all truly equal, then lets be equal. that goes for congress too. they need to live by whatever plans they legislate for us.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yes... all welfare/entitlement should be stopped.. the government is not your mommy, not your nanny, and not your cash cow.. it was never constitutionally charged to be so

I have long proposed a constitutional amendment that would eliminate the federal government's ability to give money or benefits of any kind to anY special interest whether people, demographics, businesses, socioeconomic groups, countries, or whatever unless the same benefit was given to all regardless of their race, ethnicity, demographic, socioeconomic standing. So if you give Joe the Plumber something you have to give it to Warren Buffet too. That would eliminate almost all of the graft and corruption in the political process at the federal level and would give us public servants again instead of career politicians controlling the process.

And, as the Founders intended, the states and local governments could do whatever they pleased in the area of social services, and there would be a hell of a lot more money available for the local charities.

i have to agree. are we truly equal or not? most social, employment and economic programs say we are not. If we are all truly equal, then lets be equal. that goes for congress too. they need to live by whatever plans they legislate for us.

Oh Goodie.. That means my white lightning ethanol biz is gonna grow like Exxon Mobil..

You just gotta cut SUBSIDIZING crap. The downfall of the plan would be that EVERYONE qualifies for solar subsidies. And everyone who is on welfare needs to qualified according to need testing. This is the LARGEST bipartisian agreement --- and we ought to RAM IT so far up Congress's ass that they can't fart til it gets fixed..

 

[Spoonman]

I have long proposed a constitutional amendment that would eliminate the federal government's ability to give money or benefits of any kind to anY special interest whether people, demographics, businesses, socioeconomic groups, countries, or whatever unless the same benefit was given to all regardless of their race, ethnicity, demographic, socioeconomic standing. So if you give Joe the Plumber something you have to give it to Warren Buffet too. That would eliminate almost all of the graft and corruption in the political process at the federal level and would give us public servants again instead of career politicians controlling the process.

And, as the Founders intended, the states and local governments could do whatever they pleased in the area of social services, and there would be a hell of a lot more money available for the local charities.

i have to agree. are we truly equal or not? most social, employment and economic programs say we are not. If we are all truly equal, then lets be equal. that goes for congress too. they need to live by whatever plans they legislate for us.

Oh Goodie.. That means my white lightning ethanol biz is gonna grow like Exxon Mobil..

You just gotta cut SUBSIDIZING crap. The downfall of the plan would be that EVERYONE qualifies for solar subsidies. And everyone who is on welfare needs to qualified according to need testing. This is the LARGEST bipartisian agreement --- and we ought to RAM IT so far up Congress's ass that they can't fart til it gets fixed..

did i see you on that show moonshiners recently?

 

[flacaltenn]

i have to agree. are we truly equal or not? most social, employment and economic programs say we are not. If we are all truly equal, then lets be equal. that goes for congress too. they need to live by whatever plans they legislate for us.

Oh Goodie.. That means my white lightning ethanol biz is gonna grow like Exxon Mobil..

You just gotta cut SUBSIDIZING crap. The downfall of the plan would be that EVERYONE qualifies for solar subsidies. And everyone who is on welfare needs to qualified according to need testing. This is the LARGEST bipartisian agreement --- and we ought to RAM IT so far up Congress's ass that they can't fart til it gets fixed..

did i see you on that show moonshiners recently?

THey jailed me in Season 1/Episode 1 --- fame is fleeting when you have ticks behind your ears..

 

[Spoonman]

Oh Goodie.. That means my white lightning ethanol biz is gonna grow like Exxon Mobil..

You just gotta cut SUBSIDIZING crap. The downfall of the plan would be that EVERYONE qualifies for solar subsidies. And everyone who is on welfare needs to qualified according to need testing. This is the LARGEST bipartisian agreement --- and we ought to RAM IT so far up Congress's ass that they can't fart til it gets fixed..

did i see you on that show moonshiners recently?

THey jailed me in Season 1/Episode 1 --- fame is fleeting when you have ticks behind your ears..

i have to laugh, these guys are making hooch on national tv and the cops still can't find them? heck they give their names and where they live lol