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That part is true. But how about the third question, which you've ignored.I'm pretty sure that how much I earn is in no way related to the morals of my adult offspring.
Just saying.
Less than half of what I make.Over twice as much as my father did.I like to approach this topic with three questions:What's your opinion on the morality of taking money from those who earned it and giving it to people who haven't? Not talking about people who cannot earn their own money but rather those who choose not to. And can you recommend any books or writings on the subject?
Seems to me basic self worth is at least in part a reflection on your independence. Or at least contributing something, your own labor or time to your family or community. This country does not like freeloaders, and while there is a certain amount of leeway in tough times like we're in now, at some point opinions change.
So are we morally right to redistribute somebody else's wealth or deny people support in an effort to incentivize them to be more productive members of society?
How much do you earn?
How much does (did) your father earn?
I will answer that one with a link to an article discussing studies: Don?t blame the 1% for America?s pay gap - FortuneHow does one go about "earning" ten billion dollars? How about fifty billion?
That part is true. But how about the third question, which you've ignored.I'm pretty sure that how much I earn is in no way related to the morals of my adult offspring.
Just saying.
Considering how you earned your living, and/or how your father earned his. How does one go about "earning" fifty billion dollars?
When we consider the emergence of the 1% vs the 99% within the past three decades of "Reaganomics," would you argue the concept of morality does not arise?
For one thing, consider one's motivation to acquire that much money. How would you define it?
One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did, and so on. But there is a class of Americans who, as a rule, will continue to accumulate greater fortunes than their forebears.Why are liberals/socialists worried about what other people make???
Like how the government subsidizes the oil companies? They receive money they didn't earn. Let's give that money back to the people who earned it: the taxpayers.
Stop having donor states give the taxpayer's money to states that receive it. In my state we give some of our hard earned tax dollars to other states, who haven't earned it.
Anybody who doesn't support these two things, isn't really serious about being against the redistribution of wealth.
Are you proud to identify yourself as a moron?
1. Should we go after the owners of Exxon with pitchforks an firebrands?
Better not, after all they is us! Exxon Mobil, in fact, is owned mostly by ordinary Americans. Mutual funds, index funds and pension funds (including union pension funds) own about 52 percent of Exxon Mobils shares. Individual shareholders, about two million or so, own almost all the rest. The pooh-bahs who run Exxon own less than 1 percent of the company.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/business/02every.html
2. And, of course, the antibusiness crowd loves stories about how much Big Oil is stealing from the American people! On the contrary, in 2006, the oil industry paid $81 billion in income tax, and while Exxons earnings increased 89% from 2003 to 2007, their income taxes increased 170%. Businessweek - Business News, Stock market & Financial Advice
3. The non-thinking segment of the public has been conditioned to hate the oil industry. Very few realize the extent to which they are subsidized by this industry.
According to the [Exxon] company's income statement, the amount of taxes it paid in 2008 was 2.5 times as much as its net profit. The $45.2 billion profit figure makes a snappy headline, but the $116.2 billion in taxes that it paid is relegated to a footnoteif that. Exxon's tax bill breaks down like this: income taxes, $36.5 billion; sales-based taxes, $34.5 billion; "all other" taxes, $45.2 billion. Exxon, Big Oil Profits Evil Only Until You Weigh Their Tax Bills - US News
If Exxons 2008 tax bill of $116.2 billion were split equally among all tax filers who pay income tax, each filers share would be $1,259/year. Still hate Exxon? Number of Americans Paying Zero Federal Income Tax Grows to 43.4 Million | Tax Foundation
4. " Taxation Hero: ExxonMobil Pays $3 In Taxes For Every $1 In Profit" Taxation Hero: ExxonMobil Pays $3 In Taxes For Every $1 In Profit - Forbes
No doubt you are the product of government schooling.
One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did, and so on. But there is a class of Americans who, as a rule, will continue to accumulate greater fortunes than their forebears.Why are liberals/socialists worried about what other people make???
In other words, we are presently witnessing the rise of a financial aristocracy in America, along with the emergence of an accompanying peasant class.
Presuming you are not among the One Percent, do you feel there is nothing wrong with this?
...and you're full of shit.
1) The rich pay the majority of taxes in this country, so whining about their tax rate is ludicrous.
2) Rich people will invest their money into the economy which creates jobs. Poor people can't create jobs with their minimal contribution to the economy via welfare and food stamps.
Someone like me with a BA in Economics and MBA get sick of you bed-wetting scum talking out your ass on subjects you are clueless about.
Why are liberals/socialists worried about what other people make???
The conclusion?
Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nations economic growth.
This paragraph from the report says it all
The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.
Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes
What's your opinion on the morality of taking money from those who earned it and giving it to people who haven't? ?
...and you're full of shit.
1) The rich pay the majority of taxes in this country, so whining about their tax rate is ludicrous.
2) Rich people will invest their money into the economy which creates jobs. Poor people can't create jobs with their minimal contribution to the economy via welfare and food stamps.
Someone like me with a BA in Economics and MBA get sick of you bed-wetting scum talking out your ass on subjects you are clueless about.
The conclusion?
Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nations economic growth.
This paragraph from the report says it all
The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.
Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes
MORE right wing nonsense./ I'm shocked. No seriously, I am
Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...
The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.
The US corporate business model has changed: It used to be based on sharing profits with workers to incentivize them and generate loyalty. Now, the model has shifted to rewarding not workers, but shareholders and upper management.. So, as corporate profits soar, the rich get richer and workers are told they are lucky to even have a job so stop whining about income disparity.
CONservative economic theories have never worked and never will. You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk.
Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.
The share of total taxes paid by each income group is similar to that groups share of total income.
Who Pays Taxes in America? | CTJReports
Dumbfuck.....there will always be rich/ruling class.
Even socialism/communism the political elites and their friends still hoard all the resources from the masses and the masses have no chance to ever acquire wealth themselves.
In our economic system, someone can grow up in the ghetto and become rich from their talents in the classroom or sports venues.
Idiots like you whining about rich people passing on their wealth to their "family" is ludicrous. Why shouldn't we come take your family's resources under the same premise.....nobody owns anything, oops that is your socialism.
One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did, and so on. But there is a class of Americans who, as a rule, will continue to accumulate greater fortunes than their forebears.Why are liberals/socialists worried about what other people make???
In other words, we are presently witnessing the rise of a financial aristocracy in America, along with the emergence of an accompanying peasant class.
Presuming you are not among the One Percent, do you feel there is nothing wrong with this?
Dumbfuck.....there will always be rich/ruling class.
Even socialism/communism the political elites and their friends still hoard all the resources from the masses and the masses have no chance to ever acquire wealth themselves.
In our economic system, someone can grow up in the ghetto and become rich from their talents in the classroom or sports venues.
Idiots like you whining about rich people passing on their wealth to their "family" is ludicrous. Why shouldn't we come take your family's resources under the same premise.....nobody owns anything, oops that is your socialism.
One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did, and so on. But there is a class of Americans who, as a rule, will continue to accumulate greater fortunes than their forebears.
In other words, we are presently witnessing the rise of a financial aristocracy in America, along with the emergence of an accompanying peasant class.
Presuming you are not among the One Percent, do you feel there is nothing wrong with this?
Social Immobility: Climbing The Economic Ladder Is Harder In The U.S. Than In Most European Countries
The report finds the U.S. ranking well below Denmark, Australia, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany and Spain in terms of how freely citizens move up or down the social ladder. Only in Italy and Great Britain is the intensity of the relationship between individual and parental earnings even greater.
Social Immobility: Climbing The Economic Ladder Is Harder In The U.S. Than In Most European Countries
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S.
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. | TIME.com
I'm college educated on the subject, you're a kook that surfs kook websites that create your false reality, then you come here spewing your bullshit like we are impressed with your GED.
...and you're full of shit.
1) The rich pay the majority of taxes in this country, so whining about their tax rate is ludicrous.
2) Rich people will invest their money into the economy which creates jobs. Poor people can't create jobs with their minimal contribution to the economy via welfare and food stamps.
Someone like me with a BA in Economics and MBA get sick of you bed-wetting scum talking out your ass on subjects you are clueless about.
MORE right wing nonsense./ I'm shocked. No seriously, I am
Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...
The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.
The US corporate business model has changed: It used to be based on sharing profits with workers to incentivize them and generate loyalty. Now, the model has shifted to rewarding not workers, but shareholders and upper management.. So, as corporate profits soar, the rich get richer and workers are told they are lucky to even have a job so stop whining about income disparity.
CONservative economic theories have never worked and never will. You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk.
Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.
The share of total taxes paid by each income group is similar to that groups share of total income.
Who Pays Taxes in America? | CTJReports
Stupid fuck....I lived in Europe 3 times, shut the fuck up.
They have people living in apartments forever and have zero hope of ever owning a piece of grass.
Care to compare private HOMES here to over there.....
Dumbfuck.....there will always be rich/ruling class.
Even socialism/communism the political elites and their friends still hoard all the resources from the masses and the masses have no chance to ever acquire wealth themselves.
In our economic system, someone can grow up in the ghetto and become rich from their talents in the classroom or sports venues.
Idiots like you whining about rich people passing on their wealth to their "family" is ludicrous. Why shouldn't we come take your family's resources under the same premise.....nobody owns anything, oops that is your socialism.
Social Immobility: Climbing The Economic Ladder Is Harder In The U.S. Than In Most European Countries
The report finds the U.S. ranking well below Denmark, Australia, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany and Spain in terms of how freely citizens move up or down the social ladder. Only in Italy and Great Britain is the intensity of the relationship between individual and parental earnings even greater.
Social Immobility: Climbing The Economic Ladder Is Harder In The U.S. Than In Most European Countries
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S.
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. | TIME.com
I'm college educated on the subject, you're a kook that surfs kook websites that create your false reality, then you come here spewing your bullshit like we are impressed with your GED.
MORE right wing nonsense./ I'm shocked. No seriously, I am
Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...
The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.
The US corporate business model has changed: It used to be based on sharing profits with workers to incentivize them and generate loyalty. Now, the model has shifted to rewarding not workers, but shareholders and upper management.. So, as corporate profits soar, the rich get richer and workers are told they are lucky to even have a job so stop whining about income disparity.
CONservative economic theories have never worked and never will. You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk.
Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.
The share of total taxes paid by each income group is similar to that groups share of total income.
Who Pays Taxes in America? | CTJReports
Yes, my Cal Poly degree with a minor in history means nothing
You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk
Stupid fuck....I lived in Europe 3 times, shut the fuck up.
They have people living in apartments forever and have zero hope of ever owning a piece of grass.
Care to compare private HOMES here to over there.....
Social Immobility: Climbing The Economic Ladder Is Harder In The U.S. Than In Most European Countries
The report finds the U.S. ranking well below Denmark, Australia, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany and Spain in terms of how freely citizens move up or down the social ladder. Only in Italy and Great Britain is the intensity of the relationship between individual and parental earnings even greater.
Social Immobility: Climbing The Economic Ladder Is Harder In The U.S. Than In Most European Countries
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S.
The Loss of Upward Mobility in the U.S. | TIME.com
For a guy with a degree, YOU sure act funny to scientific data
I sort of get the safety net argument, the notion that we have a moral responsibility to care for those who fall through the cracks. I'd still argue that government isn't the right tool for that job, but at least the idea has merit. But I don't really see moral justification for taking money away from people simply because you think they've accumulated too much. Can someone here advocating "wealth redistribution" address that?
One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did, and so on. But there is a class of Americans who, as a rule, will continue to accumulate greater fortunes than their forebears.Why are liberals/socialists worried about what other people make???
In other words, we are presently witnessing the rise of a financial aristocracy in America, along with the emergence of an accompanying peasant class.
Presuming you are not among the One Percent, do you feel there is nothing wrong with this?
WE TRIED YOUR MODEL BEFORE WE HAD THE PROGRESSIVE PERIOD, REMEMBER THE POOR HOUSES AND ABJECT POVERTY FOR 95% OF US?
we tried your model ...I sort of get the safety net argument, the notion that we have a moral responsibility to care for those who fall through the cracks. I'd still argue that government isn't the right tool for that job, but at least the idea has merit. But I don't really see moral justification for taking money away from people simply because you think they've accumulated too much. Can someone here advocating "wealth redistribution" address that?
