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There is a link in my Signature Line. If you use it you will come away with substantial answers to your question.The super-rich of this Nation have accumulated their fortunes by exploiting the material, administrative, and human resources of this Nation.
Hmm.. what does "exploiting" mean in this context? Other than "put to productive use"?
I totally agree that if their wealth is ill-gained, it should be recovered. And they should probably go to jail. But if it's not, if their wealth was acquired by honest trade and industry, what have they done wrong? Why do they "owe" anyone anything, other than the work they did to earn their wealth?
I gave it to you, TWICE
No, you made some comment about my "model" (what??) and copied and pasted an irrelevant article. Twice.
Weird, so the Founders are irrelevant to why the US should create policy?
I'm college educated on the subject, you're a kook that surfs kook websites that create your false reality, then you come here spewing your bullshit like we are impressed with your GED.
MORE right wing nonsense./ I'm shocked. No seriously, I am
Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...
The Republican sham of lower taxes and less regulation doesn't help anyone but the richest Americans and Big Business and kill jobs and opportunity for almost everyone, especially in the middle class and poor.
The US corporate business model has changed: It used to be based on sharing profits with workers to incentivize them and generate loyalty. Now, the model has shifted to rewarding not workers, but shareholders and upper management.. So, as corporate profits soar, the rich get richer and workers are told they are lucky to even have a job so stop whining about income disparity.
CONservative economic theories have never worked and never will. You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk.
Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.
The share of total taxes paid by each income group is similar to that groups share of total income.
Who Pays Taxes in America? | CTJReports
Yes, my Cal Poly degree with a minor in history means nothing
You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk
There is a link in my Signature Line. If you use it you will come away with substantial answers to your question.The super-rich of this Nation have accumulated their fortunes by exploiting the material, administrative, and human resources of this Nation.
Hmm.. what does "exploiting" mean in this context? Other than "put to productive use"?
I totally agree that if their wealth is ill-gained, it should be recovered. And they should probably go to jail. But if it's not, if their wealth was acquired by honest trade and industry, what have they done wrong? Why do they "owe" anyone anything, other than the work they did to earn their wealth?
You are correct that in this context exploit means "put to productive use." But the point is how much of the results of that productive use is rightfully owed to the facilitator, which is the Nation.
Could the One Percent have achieved their phenomenal financial success anywhere else?
Yet since wealth is not a zero sum figure, The 20% DOES NOT DETRACT $.05 FROM THE REST OF SOCIETY.]80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.
Again, NOT BY THE TOP 20%.]The middle class has been eviscerated.]
Because of modern technology and the new tendency of foreign banks cooperating with the US IRS, that is current minimal.]As the rich get richer and store more of their loot off shore and out of the nation's economy]
I agree that Federal Income Tax should be progressive.]Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nations economic growth.
What a pile of unmitigated horse manure. Would you rather live under a dictatorship? If so, move to a socialist or communist state. Authoritative or dictatorial government is a requirement for either to exist even for a little while.The whole reason democracy was invented as a means to make the rich and powerful give up their stranglehold on wealth and power. Of course they don't believe in democracy, they see it is an upstart insurgency of the rabble upsetting the balance of nature where rich white males rule as they were meant to.
If you don't think that is happening now it's because you haven't been looking or because you are among the fortunate exceptions.One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did, and so on. But there is a class of Americans who, as a rule, will continue to accumulate greater fortunes than their forebears.Why are liberals/socialists worried about what other people make???
In other words, we are presently witnessing the rise of a financial aristocracy in America, along with the emergence of an accompanying peasant class.
Presuming you are not among the One Percent, do you feel there is nothing wrong with this?
One answer to that question is if you have children how do you feel about the fact that as a rule (not the exception) they probably will not earn as much as you have, and their children will not earn as much as they did,
Why would that happen now, when it never did before in American history?
And you are a new nitwit on my Ignore list....and you're full of shit.
WE TRIED YOUR MODEL BEFORE ...
I'll take that as a "no".
I gave it to you, TWICE
"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson
I sort of get the safety net argument, the notion that we have a moral responsibility to care for those who fall through the cracks. I'd still argue that government isn't the right tool for that job, but at least the idea has merit. But I don't really see moral justification for taking money away from people simply because you think they've accumulated too much. Can someone here advocating "wealth redistribution" address that?
WE TRIED YOUR MODEL BEFORE WE HAD THE PROGRESSIVE PERIOD, REMEMBER THE POOR HOUSES AND ABJECT POVERTY FOR 95% OF US?
we tried your model ...I sort of get the safety net argument, the notion that we have a moral responsibility to care for those who fall through the cracks. I'd still argue that government isn't the right tool for that job, but at least the idea has merit. But I don't really see moral justification for taking money away from people simply because you think they've accumulated too much. Can someone here advocating "wealth redistribution" address that?
What???
Can someone here advocating "wealth redistribution" provide moral justification for taking money away from people simply because we think they've accumulated too much?
I'll take that as a "no".
I gave it to you, TWICE
"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson was a wise man, but he's wrong about that. The only legitimate function of government is to protect you from predators, foreign and domestic. Finding happiness is y our job, not the government's.
The fact that you think of progressive taxation as being "fucked over" demonstrates you are in need of some basic education and strongly suggests you've been brainwashed by such millionaire right-wing propagandists as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al. So let's start with a simple example.How about if we make everybody pay the exact same tax rate (percentage) and see what happens.
Or do you think some people should be fucked over simply because they make more money than you?
If you earn $20,000 a year a 20% flat tax rate will reduce your income to the poverty level. But someone who "earns" $10,000,000 a year will still be sitting on eight million dollars.
This is America. Not Saudi Arabia. If the Founders of this Great Experiment could have anticipated the kind of wealth its economy would generate do you doubt they would have included provisions in its Constitution to prevent such exploitative inequity -- especially considering how it operates to negatively affect the Nation's integrity and stability?
The super-rich of this Nation have accumulated their fortunes by exploiting the material, administrative, and human resources of this Nation.
They owe this Nation an equitable return in terms of a tax level which will serve the interests of the Whole, not just a One Percent segment.
As a shorthand reference, keep in mind that during the most prosperous and productive decades in American history, the 40s to the 80s, there was a 91% progressive tax rate. And America was strong!
With which I agree.]It's called PROGRESSIVE TAXATION!!! ]
BTW, I notice you are using a left wing propaganda site in a failed effort to "prove your point". I am a liberal but not a left winger. You have done what many other thoughtless people have done. You have used a chart which includes "payroll taxes," which are not really taxes. They are INSURANCE PREMIUMS INSTITUTED BY THE LEFT WING FAVORITE FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT. Would you like to cancel Social Security? If not, then try to understand what is factual. Having said that, I would like to see the caps on the income from which FICA premiums are collected removed.Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent
Total U.S. taxes are barely progressive, as shown in this table and chart from Citizens for Tax Justice. The bottom 99 percent pays a 27.5 percent total tax rate on average, while the top 1 percent pays an average 29 percent tax rate, according to 2011 data from Citizens for Tax Justice.
Poor Americans Pay Double The State, Local Tax Rates Of Top One Percent
The share of total taxes paid by each income group is similar to that group’s share of total income.
• The share of total taxes paid by the richest one percent (21.6 percent) is almost identical to that group’s share of total income (21.0 percent).
• The total effective tax rate for the richest one percent (29.0 percent) is only about four percentage points higher than the total effective tax rate for the middle fifth of taxpayers (25.2 percent)
If you really believe that you have been effectively brainwashed by the millionaire propagandists who serve the interests of the One Percent.Yet since wealth is not a zero sum figure, The 20% DOES NOT DETRACT $.05 FROM THE REST OF SOCIETY.
Come on shitstain, let's compare private ownership of homes and automobiles....that is an economic sign of upward mobility.
FYI...most Europeans don't own a car or a home.
Riding public transportation and living in an apartment is the average European's life.
For a guy with a degree, YOU sure act funny to scientific data
Really dumbfuk? Owning houses is a sign of upward mobility? lol
How'd that work out for Dubya?
You can say "tax cuts create jobs" but that's just blather. Show me when it has worked and then we'll talk
I gave it to you, TWICE
"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson was a wise man, but he's wrong about that. The only legitimate function of government is to protect you from predators, foreign and domestic. Finding happiness is y our job, not the government's.
That's not what the United States Constitution says or implies either implicitly or explicitly at all.
And it seems you have an rather large issue with one of the major founders of America.
Jefferson was a wise man, but he's wrong about that. The only legitimate function of government is to protect you from predators, foreign and domestic. Finding happiness is y our job, not the government's.
That's not what the United States Constitution says or implies either implicitly or explicitly at all.
And it seems you have an rather large issue with one of the major founders of America.
Actually, it pretty much does say that, but when did the Constitution become the ultimate authority on the purpose of government?
Largely, yes. But that wasn't my point. Your response was irrelevant to my question, and the topic of the thread - i.e. a moral justification for redistributing wealth.I gave it to you, TWICE
No, you made some comment about my "model" (what??) and copied and pasted an irrelevant article. Twice.
Weird, so the Founders are irrelevant to why the US should create policy?
That's not what the United States Constitution says or implies either implicitly or explicitly at all.
And it seems you have an rather large issue with one of the major founders of America.
Actually, it pretty much does say that, but when did the Constitution become the ultimate authority on the purpose of government?
The Declaration has the "pursuit of happiness" as one of the purposes of government, but then as I keep saying the Declaration was a form of propaganda.
