More babies died in US than 68 other countries.

[Papageorgio]

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And oh, BTW.... we don't have or need single payer health care because government is not your nanny... What our government is to do is protect your freedoms so you can try and take care of yourself..

Sorry, man, I don't want to preserve the freedom of a big insurance company to cheat me after I paid perfectly good money for premiums.

Rather have the government cheat you? The have a higher denial rate than private industry.

 

[Dot Com]

Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.

Being against abortion isn't about saving lives. Most "pro-life" folks are pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty and are against all social programs that save lives.

It's about control and punishment.

^ that. You said it before I could.

 

[Dutch]

1.2 million babies are MURDERED in America every year.

And if those 1.2 million babies were born you would bitch and moan about their mothers as "welfare queens". Plus they would be probably be robbing your house in about 12-13 years.

 

[Noomi]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

The U.S. is a worse place for newborns than 68 other countries, including Egypt, Turkey and Peru, according to a report released Tuesday by Save the Children.

A million babies die every year globally on the same day they were born, including more than 11,000 American newborns, the report estimates. Most of them could be saved with fairly cheap interventions, the group says.

Don't be ridiculous. Those babies don't matter. The only thing that matters are the fetuses!

 

[pix]

Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.

Being against abortion isn't about saving lives. Most "pro-life" folks are pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty and are against all social programs that save lives.

It's about control and punishment.

yep.

 

[OKTexas]

Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.

You just shot yourself in the foot and I bet you don't even realize it. If single payer insurance is the standard why are the third would countries who don't have it doning better? Personally I think it's in the reporting or should I say estimating data. Since this was a smear piece to begin with I doubt they bothered to check how the data was compiled.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

The U.S. is a worse place for newborns than 68 other countries, including Egypt, Turkey and Peru, according to a report released Tuesday by Save the Children.

A million babies die every year globally on the same day they were born, including more than 11,000 American newborns, the report estimates. Most of them could be saved with fairly cheap interventions, the group says.

News flash most other Countries do not count a new born a live birth until after a set time has passed from birth, some Countries as much as a month. They sure as hell do not count premature births as live births. We count every baby born alive no matter how tenuous that life as a live birth.

 

[Esmeralda]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

The U.S. is a worse place for newborns than 68 other countries, including Egypt, Turkey and Peru, according to a report released Tuesday by Save the Children.

A million babies die every year globally on the same day they were born, including more than 11,000 American newborns, the report estimates. Most of them could be saved with fairly cheap interventions, the group says.

From the link:

“The United States has the highest first-day death rate in the industrialized world. ..... This is 50 percent more first-day deaths than all other industrialized countries combined.”

This is surprising and unacceptable. This shouldn't be.

 

[JoeB131]

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Rather have the government cheat you? The have a higher denial rate than private industry.

NO, they don't.

But keep telling yourself that.

 

[JoeB131]

Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay.

Here's the thing. We are the only major industrialized country that doesn't have single payer health coverage for all our citizens.

And not surprisingly, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world and higher than a lot of third world countries as well.

You just shot yourself in the foot and I bet you don't even realize it. If single payer insurance is the standard why are the third would countries who don't have it doning better? Personally I think it's in the reporting or should I say estimating data. Since this was a smear piece to begin with I doubt they bothered to check how the data was compiled.

Some of those countries DO have single payer. And they do better.

For instance, Cuba is slightly ahead of us, despite the fact we've been punishing them for 50 years for taking Meier Lansky's Casino away from him.

 

[DiamondDave]

Actually I did lol...

but the CDC link does say exactly whats in the first paragraph that we have a much higher percentage of PRETERM births than European Countries.

Is that proof of how good our system is? Whats the point of posting that? To help the OP?

The only thing it proves is classifications for statistical purposes which shows the OP that his data, therefore, conclusion is skewed. This is what I suspected as there is no world standard for classifications, so when used by some to attempt to make some point or drive an agenda simply exposes their fallacy.

Uh no it doesn't, even when its adjusted it's still higher than most European countries. I guess now you're going to make this about the integrity of statistical data

And that is only 1 aspect that is different.. there is no absolute standard as to what is counted and what is reported.. hence, the conclusion from the report is bogus by nature


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[freedombecki]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

The U.S. is a worse place for newborns than 68 other countries, including Egypt, Turkey and Peru, according to a report released Tuesday by Save the Children.

A million babies die every year globally on the same day they were born, including more than 11,000 American newborns, the report estimates. Most of them could be saved with fairly cheap interventions, the group says.

Did you know the chief cause of infant mortality in the United States is congenital defects caused by a history of drug abuse, Joe?

 

[JoeB131]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

The U.S. is a worse place for newborns than 68 other countries, including Egypt, Turkey and Peru, according to a report released Tuesday by Save the Children.

A million babies die every year globally on the same day they were born, including more than 11,000 American newborns, the report estimates. Most of them could be saved with fairly cheap interventions, the group says.

Did you know the chief cause of infant mortality in the United States is congenital defects caused by a history of drug abuse, Joe?

Do you have figures to back that up?

If it is true, I guess I have to ask the question- why do these other countries NOT have this problem? Their drug laws aren't nearly as draconian as ours. Most of them treat addiction as a medical and not a criminal problem.

 

[freedombecki]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

Did you know the chief cause of infant mortality in the United States is congenital defects caused by a history of drug abuse, Joe?

Do you have figures to back that up?

If it is true, I guess I have to ask the question- why do these other countries NOT have this problem? Their drug laws aren't nearly as draconian as ours. Most of them treat addiction as a medical and not a criminal problem.

Look, pal, I spent two years studying pharmacological effects of maternal drugs on fetuses. Smoking cigarettes causes low birth weight as does alcohol consumption which also causes fetal alcohol syndrome with as little as an evening of social drinking before the woman even knows she's pregnant. Several FDA-approved drugs that treat migraine headaches caused cleft palate before removed from sales by apothecaries. People who take illicit drugs often have no idea what they are taking can cause their infant's first day to be their last as well.

You might as well chase greased pigs all day to try and get the truth out of drug users who become mothers and have been warned by important others not to admit to drug use due to being convicted of child abuse or even death of an infant who dies of SIDS that also is associated with nicotine inhalation not to mention crack, marijuana smoke, and illicit drugs.

Altered mind substances cause untold birth issues and may well be why our youthful scholars cannot measure up to those of some third world countries as we sink lower and lower international on test scores. Marijuana makes severe assaults on sexual maturation in young males and intellectual capacities in both sexes that are downplayed consistently by drug pushers and people pushing for zero laws against "pleasures." Smoke inhalation is across the board, and not just limited to nicotine, but THC as well, not to mention other things in the air a child or infant breathes or what comes through in mother's milk as well.

 

[JoeB131]

Did you know the chief cause of infant mortality in the United States is congenital defects caused by a history of drug abuse, Joe?

Do you have figures to back that up?

If it is true, I guess I have to ask the question- why do these other countries NOT have this problem? Their drug laws aren't nearly as draconian as ours. Most of them treat addiction as a medical and not a criminal problem.

Look, pal, I spent two years studying pharmacological effects of maternal drugs on fetuses. Smoking cigarettes causes low birth weight as does alcohol consumption which also causes fetal alcohol syndrome with as little as an evening of social drinking before the woman even knows she's pregnant. Several FDA-approved drugs that treat migraine headaches caused cleft palate before removed from sales by apothecaries. People who take illicit drugs often have no idea what they are taking can cause their infant's first day to be their last as well.

You might as well chase greased pigs all day to try and get the truth out of drug users who become mothers and have been warned by important others not to admit to drug use due to being convicted of child abuse or even death of an infant who dies of SIDS that also is associated with nicotine inhalation not to mention crack, marijuana smoke, and illicit drugs.

Altered mind substances cause untold birth issues and may well be why our scholars cannot measure up to those of some third world countries as we sink lower and lower international on test scores. Marijuana makes severe assaults on sexual maturation in young males and intellectual capacities in both sexes that are downplayed consistently by drug pushers and people pushing for zero laws against "pleasures."

I noticed here with all your self-righteous indignation, you didn't answer my question.

Why are the other advanced industrialized nations NOT having these problems? Their drug laws are more liberal than ours.

The reason why we aren't keeping up in education is because you have religous assholes who think we need to teach about talking snakes in Science class, and textbooks are written to the standard of Texas, the dumbest state in the Union.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If only the anti-Choice fanatics were as upset about this as they are about abortion.

More US babies die day they are born than any industrialized country, report shows - Vitals

The U.S. is a worse place for newborns than 68 other countries, including Egypt, Turkey and Peru, according to a report released Tuesday by Save the Children.

A million babies die every year globally on the same day they were born, including more than 11,000 American newborns, the report estimates. Most of them could be saved with fairly cheap interventions, the group says.

Some of those countries don't define live birth the way we do.

Definition of of 'live birth' varies by country

In the United States, however, we count any infant exhibiting any sign of life as alive, no matter the month of gestation or the size of the fetus. In other European countries, they define the month of gestation and the size of the fetus before they count it as a live birth. For example, in France, Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands and Poland, the fetus must be at least 22 weeks and/or weigh 500 grams, if not, it is not a live birth and not counted as a part of the infant mortality rate. Another challenge to comparability is the practice of counting frail or premature infants who die before the normal due date as miscarriages or those who die during or immediately after childbirth as stillborn. Therefore, the quality of a country's documentation of prenatal mortality can matter greatly to the accuracy of its infant mortality statistics

 

[ClosedCaption]

The only thing it proves is classifications for statistical purposes which shows the OP that his data, therefore, conclusion is skewed. This is what I suspected as there is no world standard for classifications, so when used by some to attempt to make some point or drive an agenda simply exposes their fallacy.

Uh no it doesn't, even when its adjusted it's still higher than most European countries. I guess now you're going to make this about the integrity of statistical data

And that is only 1 aspect that is different.. there is no absolute standard as to what is counted and what is reported.. hence, the conclusion from the report is bogus by nature


/end thread

That's the ONLY aspect that is different, since you cant name any others. No matter what you should just make your argument "Because I don't believe it" and leave it at that. At least then you wouldn't look like youre grasping at mysterious straws that don't exist

 

[DiamondDave]

Uh no it doesn't, even when its adjusted it's still higher than most European countries. I guess now you're going to make this about the integrity of statistical data

And that is only 1 aspect that is different.. there is no absolute standard as to what is counted and what is reported.. hence, the conclusion from the report is bogus by nature


/end thread

That's the ONLY aspect that is different, since you cant name any others. No matter what you should just make your argument "Because I don't believe it" and leave it at that. At least then you wouldn't look like youre grasping at mysterious straws that don't exist

No.. it is not.. and that was pointed out in the second link as well as in other places in the CDC report

Nice try though, troll.. isn't it time for you to make another badlands or rubber room worthy troll thread????

 

[Steelplate]

The US has a different standard for measuring the infant mortality rate than do most other countries, fyi. For example, the infant mortality rate includes, as defined by the US, babies who are born prematurely yet die, or even the stillborn, whereas many European countries, for example, do not count the later two instances as "infant mortality", which cause those European countries' infant mortality rate to appear lower than the US'.

Of course, this isn't new news by any means, but who needs fact when you have partisan ranting, right?

Unbiased link to that info?

Most infant mortality data is spread over a few years to avoid any spikes in a single year.

List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, we are in the 30's but our mortality rate HAS been inproving over time, something always left out by the doom and gloomers.

So...that's acceptable to you when we spend more on healthcare than any other country by a huge margin? Seems to me we're getting ripped off as consumers.

 

[koshergrl]

Joe's just planting garbage to encourage people to support abortion and infanticide.

And yes, gosnell is his hero. He's holding court in the Gosnell thread now. He never gets tired of telling lies that promote baby killing and the exploitation and murder of women.