Muslim Bakeries Refuse To Make Gay Wedding Cake...& No Rabid Protests From Liberals?

[kaz]

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

By leftists ...

BTW, you're the establishment now, you won. You're the ones who don't want change now. You aren't "progressive" anymore

 

[Seawytch]

I'm opposed to any law, federal, state, or local, that punishes a person for choosing not to engage in trade with someone. Why should a person not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

Wow...you're "opposed". Good golly miss Molly, stop the presses, you "oppose" them. What form does that "opposition" take? Are you calling your congressman and demanding the repeal of Title II of the Civil Rights Act or are you just bitching about state and local laws on a message board?

Yes, I oppose them. I'm assuming you support them, then? What is your justification for why a person should not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

You can assume nothing. I'm asking you, and you keep ignoring the question, what YOU are personally doing to get rid of PA laws beyond bitching about state and local laws on a message board. You oppose PA laws, but have you called your Senator and Congresscritter and demanded they repeal Title II of the CRA? That's the law that requires that I, a gay person, serve a Christian in all 50 states.

I will continue to ignore any questions about my personal life. What I do is none of your business. So stop asking me or I'll report you to the mods, asshole.

So if you don't want me assuming, I'll ask you. Do you support laws that punish a person for choosing not to engage in trade with someone?

But how do you know if you're doing the right things in life if you don't tell Seawytch so she can determine that and inform you if what you are doing is adequate or not? I mean she is the standard, she says so

Well, you're obviously doing it wrong. Gays are getting married just like straight folks (despite your "educating them) and in some places you have to serve them, just like you have to serve black folks. (Oh and a majority of Americans support adding gay folks to PA laws, not getting rid of all of them) oopsie!

You really suck at this educating thing I reckon.

 

[Papageorgio]

HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries?

Kind of looks like a "set up" situation doesn't it?

Someone deliberately looking for a baker of a specific religion in order to be refused?

Muslim bakers are most likely a tiny minority in this country, the vast majority are Christian. That's likely why less fuss is heard. The Muslim community is also much more conservative - I doubt a gay couple would look to a Muslim baker for their cake. Did this person SUE them? Has anyone sued a Muslim baker?

A baker that serves the public, should serve the public - regardless of who the wedding participants are as long as they can pay for the service and the requested item is within their ability to make. I don't think they should be forced to make anything lewd or pornographic.

Aside from that - there has also been a rash of cases of couples supposedly getting married and deliberately seeking out vendors they KNOW will be hostile to same-sex arrangements. I think that is wrong - maybe not legally wrong, but ethically wrong. In the original case, the couple sought out a baker they had used many times before and had good arrangements with, so they had the expectation their service would similarly be welcomed not rebuffed. Some of these other cases smack of set ups.

Conservative 'Comedian' Pretends to Be Gay, Asks Muslim Bakeries for Gay Wedding Cakes

Unfortunately for his thesis, several bakeries agreed to make the cake. At least according to his blog. But showcased are three bakeries that did not.​

And the vast majority of Christian bakers agree to make the cakes. It seems Oregon showcased the one that did not.

The Oregon case was more complex than simply refusing service. The bakery owners also published the name and address of the couple they refused in FB, leading to harrassment and threats. They also published court documents, revealing personal information. There was a lot more to it then simply refusing service.

And let's not forget one other little tidbit...the Oregon case's fine was based on another Oregon case where a Christer was awarded even more money because her boss discriminated against her.

Christers want to be protected...but no one else is to be protected from them?

I agree, we need to learn tolerance for others and their ideas and morals. We don't need to accept, we need to tolerate.

 

[kaz]

Yes, I oppose them. I'm assuming you support them, then? What is your justification for why a person should not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

You can assume nothing. I'm asking you, and you keep ignoring the question, what YOU are personally doing to get rid of PA laws beyond bitching about state and local laws on a message board. You oppose PA laws, but have you called your Senator and Congresscritter and demanded they repeal Title II of the CRA? That's the law that requires that I, a gay person, serve a Christian in all 50 states.

That stupid canard again. A question you ask liberals not at all ever. We can't post unless we can tell you what our actions are according to your standards to back them up. Got it.

And as for me, I keep telling you that my strategy is to change minds. And you keep informing me that isn't your strategy so it doesn't count, I have to satisfy you. LOL, yeah

How's that "strategy" going? Gotten rid of civil marriage yet?

What have you personally overturned with your strategy?

Moron

Our strategy? Legalized gay marriage. Haven't you paid any attention?

That's not the question. Seawytch's standard, which you agreed with, is that you have to personally change laws. I didn't ask you two simpletons what you agree with, I asked you what you have done to meet your stated standard. So, what laws have you changed with your strategy? Seawytch is just hiding from her standard completely

 

[Weatherman2020]

Hilarious watching the left try to spin and defend their Muslim masters.

Hilarious watching the Right try to play gotcha and have it blow up in their face.

Good analogy, Muslims and bombs. The only thing is, the hypocrisy of the left is the only thing exposed. Separate prayer rooms in public airports, prayer washing facilities in public parks, the list goes on and on. Just look at the gymnastics of the leftists hero, Obama when it comes to trying to defend Islamofascism.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

By leftists ...

BTW, you're the establishment now, you won. You're the ones who don't want change now. You aren't "progressive" anymore

They were never progressive, they are Fascist regressive. They figured out they could use the government to create their little utopia where everyone is equal, create a level playing field....it's a fantasy,nothing more and nothing less. Eventually they will push too far, it's inevitable

 

[bodecea]

Title II of the Civil Rights Act for one...

I'm aware of the law. By what is the ethical justification for the law? Why should a person not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever (albeit stupid) reason they choose?

Then you should really go after that Federal law, not state and local laws that have only added gays to already existing protections.

I can't deny service to a Christian in 50 out of 50 states, but he can deny me in over half. I can't fire someone because I find out they are Jewish in 50 out of 50 states, but that Jewish individual can fire me in over half.

What are you doing to get rid of Title II of the Civil Rights Act that requires gays to serve Christians?

I'm opposed to any law, federal, state, or local, that punishes a person for choosing not to engage in trade with someone. Why should a person not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

Would segregation have ever ended - segregated bathrooms, hotels and restaurants that wouldn't serve blacks? Things didn't change until they had to.

This is an important point.

The notion that those subject to discrimination should simply ‘wait’ until social, cultural, and political conditions ‘change’ where discriminatory policies are no longer accepted is repugnant to the Constitution, the rule of law, and the fundamental tenets of our Republic.

Just as African-Americans and Hispanic Americans during the 1950s weren’t required to ‘wait’ until segregation and discrimination ‘naturally went away,’ so too are gay Americans not required to ‘wait’ until the unwarranted fear and hate concerning homosexuality ‘naturally goes away.’

The (possibly brain-damaged) memory loss of the RIght includes their forgetting that all change comes with effort AND resistance from Conservatives.

Let 20+ years go by and the (possibly brain-damaged) Conservatives have forgotten their resistance and frequently even take credit for the change.

I remember when Martin Luther King Jr. was alive. He was hated by the Right with the power of a thousand suns. Now they embrace him as if he were one of their own. It's quite funny if it weren't so sad.

In 20+ years, Conservatives will try to take credit for the legalization of Gay Marriage.

 

[kaz]

Wow...you're "opposed". Good golly miss Molly, stop the presses, you "oppose" them. What form does that "opposition" take? Are you calling your congressman and demanding the repeal of Title II of the Civil Rights Act or are you just bitching about state and local laws on a message board?

Yes, I oppose them. I'm assuming you support them, then? What is your justification for why a person should not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

You can assume nothing. I'm asking you, and you keep ignoring the question, what YOU are personally doing to get rid of PA laws beyond bitching about state and local laws on a message board. You oppose PA laws, but have you called your Senator and Congresscritter and demanded they repeal Title II of the CRA? That's the law that requires that I, a gay person, serve a Christian in all 50 states.

I will continue to ignore any questions about my personal life. What I do is none of your business. So stop asking me or I'll report you to the mods, asshole.

So if you don't want me assuming, I'll ask you. Do you support laws that punish a person for choosing not to engage in trade with someone?

But how do you know if you're doing the right things in life if you don't tell Seawytch so she can determine that and inform you if what you are doing is adequate or not? I mean she is the standard, she says so

Well, you're obviously doing it wrong. Gays are getting married just like straight folks (despite your "educating them) and in some places you have to serve them, just like you have to serve black folks. (Oh and a majority of Americans support adding gay folks to PA laws, not getting rid of all of them) oopsie!

You really suck at this educating thing I reckon.

Swish, complete evasion. You asked me why I haven't personally changed the PA law. I asked you for an example of how you met your standard. What laws have you personally changed, the standard you hold me to.

Man up, Charlie. Your standard, you demonstrate how you've done it

 

[Norman]

Because the core of the issue isn't cake. It's about anti CHRISTIAN ideology. The queers and the left are waging a war against Christians.

Actually, I think the core of the issue is that it's a "muslim" baker - could have been a Jew, Hindu, etc but they chose Muslim to try and make this a "Muslims get a free pass" argument.

Wanna bet that muslim bakers refuse the service overwhelmingly more than bakers of other religions?

Liberals and their never ending false equivalencies regarding Islam. I really feel bad, especially for the atheists who are brainwashed to stand as apologists of the most gruesome major religion on the planet.

Do you have anything that shows Muslim bakers refuse the service overwhelmingly more than bakers of other religions? Has an actual study been done? How about Jewish bakers? How about Hindu bakers?

The more I read about Crowder...the funnier it gets. Some of the Muslim bakers he talked to - don't even bake wedding cakes period and they count among the refusals? You can not force someone to provide something he does not ordinarily make.

Rush Limbaugh, Dearborn and the Muslim Baker Bigotry Myth

No I don't. But I do know whenever a regressive brings up the equivalency card I am not aware of it ever holding up. Plus, the muslim religion is a lot more homophobic than others, I mean they advocate for stoning gay people... If you just stopped and thought the matter for five seconds you would probably reach the same conclusion.

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

The Muslim religion is more anti-gay, they're a very conservative religion however, in the US I doubt there is much advocacy for stoning homosexuals.

If conservative is a key component of "anti-gay" activity, then should we assume that most conservative Christian bakeries will likewise refuse to create a wedding cake? I suspect most do not refuse - they are intelligent enough to seperate business from faith. Likewise, I would think - Muslim bakers and bakers of other religions which folks here ignore.

No, because muslims are way more bigoted than conservatives towards gay people. God damn, it seems that a regressive is just physically incapable of understanding the false equivalency.

Muslims => want to stone gay people
Conservatives => Don't want to be FORCED to bake them a cake.

Which of these is more bigoted again?

Cool that you attempt thinking sometimes, but assuming something doesn't make it true...

 

[Coyote]

Then you should really go after that Federal law, not state and local laws that have only added gays to already existing protections.

I can't deny service to a Christian in 50 out of 50 states, but he can deny me in over half. I can't fire someone because I find out they are Jewish in 50 out of 50 states, but that Jewish individual can fire me in over half.

What are you doing to get rid of Title II of the Civil Rights Act that requires gays to serve Christians?

I now would avoid a queer owned business, congradulations because before you queers started demanding me to approve of every perverted act you want to do. I never really cared, but you started steering me the other way. Now you can go to hell, where the bible states you are headed anyway.

No one is demanding you "approve" of anything.

They demand that they endorse their fake weddings by creatjng special cakes.for them. That is unconstitutional. If the fags want a cake from Christians, they can pick one from the case. Nust like satanists can. Or NAMBLA. Or any of the other freaks.

They aren't demanding special cakes - they are only demanding a wedding cake, something that the bakery is known for providing.

They are demanding a special cake, created specifically for a particular event. An artistic creation. Have you ever planned a wedding?? I have. One of the things you do is meet with the baker to see if they can create what you want..and to see if they are willing to do it. I am so si k of lazy ass, stupid entitlement whores going to the mat to force people to serve them.

Sounds like we are in agreement here. They are purchasing a WEDDING CAKE - something that company is know to provide. They're asking for the same sort of service a heterosexual couple asks for. They're not asking for a wedding pie, or a crown roast.

You people are so inutterably lazy and stupid it makes me despair. You use the feds as your personal bank and your goon squad...apparently completely oblivious to the fact that when they have enough authority, they will come for you first. Once the feeder class has served its purpose, it is slaughtered. This has happened time and time again with fas ist regimes....and you're still too stupid to see it. If you spent even half the time you spend on this site actually researching history (and not history from ideologues), you would know this. If you spent any time researching our COUNTRY'S history, you would know this.

But you're so stupid, lazy, and brainwashed that you can't. Which pisses me off because it puts me in the uncomfortable position of wishing the feds would just go ahead and start culling. You're such a moron you will (and have) defend the rightness of such action.

sheep.

 

[kaz]

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

By leftists ...

BTW, you're the establishment now, you won. You're the ones who don't want change now. You aren't "progressive" anymore

They were never progressive, they are Fascist regressive. They figured out they could use the government to create their little utopia where everyone is equal, create a level playing field....it's a fantasy,nothing more and nothing less. Eventually they will push too far, it's inevitable

I agree, that's why I quoted "progressive," it's what they call themselves, but I don't think they are progressive anything either

 

[koshergrl]

Because the core of the issue isn't cake. It's about anti CHRISTIAN ideology. The queers and the left are waging a war against Christians.

Actually, I think the core of the issue is that it's a "muslim" baker - could have been a Jew, Hindu, etc but they chose Muslim to try and make this a "Muslims get a free pass" argument.

Wanna bet that muslim bakers refuse the service overwhelmingly more than bakers of other religions?

Liberals and their never ending false equivalencies regarding Islam. I really feel bad, especially for the atheists who are brainwashed to stand as apologists of the most gruesome major religion on the planet.

Do you have anything that shows Muslim bakers refuse the service overwhelmingly more than bakers of other religions? Has an actual study been done? How about Jewish bakers? How about Hindu bakers?

The more I read about Crowder...the funnier it gets. Some of the Muslim bakers he talked to - don't even bake wedding cakes period and they count among the refusals? You can not force someone to provide something he does not ordinarily make.

Rush Limbaugh, Dearborn and the Muslim Baker Bigotry Myth

No I don't. But I do know whenever a regressive brings up the equivalency card I am not aware of it ever holding up. Plus, the muslim religion is a lot more homophobic than others, I mean they advocate for stoning gay people... If you just stopped and thought the matter for five seconds you would probably reach the same conclusion.

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

The Muslim religion is more anti-gay, they're a very conservative religion however, in the US I doubt there is much advocacy for stoning homosexuals.

If conservative is a key component of "anti-gay" activity, then should we assume that most conservative Christian bakeries will likewise refuse to create a wedding cake? I suspect most do not refuse - they are intelligent enough to seperate business from faith. Likewise, I would think - Muslim bakers and bakers of other religions which folks here ignore.

No, regressive is left wing. The cessation of industry, the rationing of resources when there is no need, the dumbing down of the schools, the rewarding of unproductive lifestyles, the rejection of religion and a return to the primitive and depraved tribal practices..even to the.fucking promotion of caveman diets and government control of diet. Regression. You're not even smart enough to grasp that simple concept, because your brain has been altered by the years of garbage you've fed it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Because the core of the issue isn't cake. It's about anti CHRISTIAN ideology. The queers and the left are waging a war against Christians.

Actually, I think the core of the issue is that it's a "muslim" baker - could have been a Jew, Hindu, etc but they chose Muslim to try and make this a "Muslims get a free pass" argument.

Wanna bet that muslim bakers refuse the service overwhelmingly more than bakers of other religions?

Liberals and their never ending false equivalencies regarding Islam. I really feel bad, especially for the atheists who are brainwashed to stand as apologists of the most gruesome major religion on the planet.

Do you have anything that shows Muslim bakers refuse the service overwhelmingly more than bakers of other religions? Has an actual study been done? How about Jewish bakers? How about Hindu bakers?

The more I read about Crowder...the funnier it gets. Some of the Muslim bakers he talked to - don't even bake wedding cakes period and they count among the refusals? You can not force someone to provide something he does not ordinarily make.

Rush Limbaugh, Dearborn and the Muslim Baker Bigotry Myth

No I don't. But I do know whenever a regressive brings up the equivalency card I am not aware of it ever holding up. Plus, the muslim religion is a lot more homophobic than others, I mean they advocate for stoning gay people... If you just stopped and thought the matter for five seconds you would probably reach the same conclusion.

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

The Muslim religion is more anti-gay, they're a very conservative religion however, in the US I doubt there is much advocacy for stoning homosexuals.

If conservative is a key component of "anti-gay" activity, then should we assume that most conservative Christian bakeries will likewise refuse to create a wedding cake? I suspect most do not refuse - they are intelligent enough to seperate business from faith. Likewise, I would think - Muslim bakers and bakers of other religions which folks here ignore.

Correct.

In addition, the animosity toward homosexuality predates the advent of Islam; in what is incorrectly perceived to be the ‘Muslim world,’ the hostility toward homosexuality is cultural, the product of traditional societies, having little to do with the veneer of Islam.

 

[Seawytch]

Wow...you're "opposed". Good golly miss Molly, stop the presses, you "oppose" them. What form does that "opposition" take? Are you calling your congressman and demanding the repeal of Title II of the Civil Rights Act or are you just bitching about state and local laws on a message board?

Yes, I oppose them. I'm assuming you support them, then? What is your justification for why a person should not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

You can assume nothing. I'm asking you, and you keep ignoring the question, what YOU are personally doing to get rid of PA laws beyond bitching about state and local laws on a message board. You oppose PA laws, but have you called your Senator and Congresscritter and demanded they repeal Title II of the CRA? That's the law that requires that I, a gay person, serve a Christian in all 50 states.

That stupid canard again. A question you ask liberals not at all ever. We can't post unless we can tell you what our actions are according to your standards to back them up. Got it.

And as for me, I keep telling you that my strategy is to change minds. And you keep informing me that isn't your strategy so it doesn't count, I have to satisfy you. LOL, yeah

How's that "strategy" going? Gotten rid of civil marriage yet?

What have you personally overturned with your strategy?

Moron

Prohibitions on gay marriage.

 

[koshergrl]

I now would avoid a queer owned business, congradulations because before you queers started demanding me to approve of every perverted act you want to do. I never really cared, but you started steering me the other way. Now you can go to hell, where the bible states you are headed anyway.

No one is demanding you "approve" of anything.

They demand that they endorse their fake weddings by creatjng special cakes.for them. That is unconstitutional. If the fags want a cake from Christians, they can pick one from the case. Nust like satanists can. Or NAMBLA. Or any of the other freaks.

They aren't demanding special cakes - they are only demanding a wedding cake, something that the bakery is known for providing.

They are demanding a special cake, created specifically for a particular event. An artistic creation. Have you ever planned a wedding?? I have. One of the things you do is meet with the baker to see if they can create what you want..and to see if they are willing to do it. I am so si k of lazy ass, stupid entitlement whores going to the mat to force people to serve them.

Sounds like we are in agreement here. They are purchasing a WEDDING CAKE - something that company is know to provide. They're asking for the same sort of service a heterosexual couple asks for. They're not asking for a wedding pie, or a crown roast.

You people are so inutterably lazy and stupid it makes me despair. You use the feds as your personal bank and your goon squad...apparently completely oblivious to the fact that when they have enough authority, they will come for you first. Once the feeder class has served its purpose, it is slaughtered. This has happened time and time again with fas ist regimes....and you're still too stupid to see it. If you spent even half the time you spend on this site actually researching history (and not history from ideologues), you would know this. If you spent any time researching our COUNTRY'S history, you would know this.

But you're so stupid, lazy, and brainwashed that you can't. Which pisses me off because it puts me in the uncomfortable position of wishing the feds would just go ahead and start culling. You're such a moron you will (and have) defend the rightness of such action.

sheep.

No, they want a special weddi g cake, made specifically for this event.

You're so stupid it gives me a headache.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

By leftists ...

BTW, you're the establishment now, you won. You're the ones who don't want change now. You aren't "progressive" anymore

They were never progressive, they are Fascist regressive. They figured out they could use the government to create their little utopia where everyone is equal, create a level playing field....it's a fantasy,nothing more and nothing less. Eventually they will push too far, it's inevitable

I agree, that's why I quoted "progressive," it's what they call themselves, but I don't think they are progressive anything either

I have zero use for anyone calling themselves a "progressive/liberal"....none. They annoy the hell out of me

 

[kaz]

Yes, I oppose them. I'm assuming you support them, then? What is your justification for why a person should not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever reason they choose?

You can assume nothing. I'm asking you, and you keep ignoring the question, what YOU are personally doing to get rid of PA laws beyond bitching about state and local laws on a message board. You oppose PA laws, but have you called your Senator and Congresscritter and demanded they repeal Title II of the CRA? That's the law that requires that I, a gay person, serve a Christian in all 50 states.

That stupid canard again. A question you ask liberals not at all ever. We can't post unless we can tell you what our actions are according to your standards to back them up. Got it.

And as for me, I keep telling you that my strategy is to change minds. And you keep informing me that isn't your strategy so it doesn't count, I have to satisfy you. LOL, yeah

How's that "strategy" going? Gotten rid of civil marriage yet?

What have you personally overturned with your strategy?

Moron

Prohibitions on gay marriage.

And so the standard changes. So if you just back what happens anyway, you clear the standard. What I want hasn't happened, so I've personally failed.

Exactly, you are one stupid dyke

 

[Coyote]

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

By leftists ...

BTW, you're the establishment now, you won. You're the ones who don't want change now. You aren't "progressive" anymore

Eventually what is new and revolutionary becomes the status quo - it happened with Civil Rights, with over turning prohibitions on mixed race marriage, with barring discrimmination based on race, gender, ethnicity and religion. And now it is happening with equal rights for the LGBT community which ultimately amounts to nothing more than simple human dignity - the kind you already enjoy.

Call it what you want, but it's liberals that made it the excepted norm. I don't think any of the above is a bad thing. Why do you?

 

[kaz]

Regressive is typically associated with "rightwing".

By leftists ...

BTW, you're the establishment now, you won. You're the ones who don't want change now. You aren't "progressive" anymore

They were never progressive, they are Fascist regressive. They figured out they could use the government to create their little utopia where everyone is equal, create a level playing field....it's a fantasy,nothing more and nothing less. Eventually they will push too far, it's inevitable

I agree, that's why I quoted "progressive," it's what they call themselves, but I don't think they are progressive anything either

I have zero use for anyone calling themselves a "progressive/liberal"....none. They annoy the hell out of me

Yes, I usually call them leftists. I do call them liberal sometimes even though they are not because they call themselves that. I never use it though in discussions other than to name a side, never to describe them. There is nothing "liberal" about the left. It's like North Korea calling itself a people's democratic republic

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Righties constantly lie and misrepresent facts.

The "gay cake" was just a plain old wedding cake . Same as the bakery made 1000 times . But they denied the customer simply because they were gay.

And why should a person not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever (albeit stupid) reason they choose?

Title II of the Civil Rights Act for one...

I'm aware of the law. By what is the ethical justification for the law? Why should a person not be allowed to decline engaging in trade for whatever (albeit stupid) reason they choose?

Then you should really go after that Federal law, not state and local laws that have only added gays to already existing protections.

I can't deny service to a Christian in 50 out of 50 states, but he can deny me in over half. I can't fire someone because I find out they are Jewish in 50 out of 50 states, but that Jewish individual can fire me in over half.

What are you doing to get rid of Title II of the Civil Rights Act that requires gays to serve Christians?

I now would avoid a queer owned business, congradulations because before you queers started demanding me to approve of every perverted act you want to do. I never really cared, but you started steering me the other way. Now you can go to hell, where the bible states you are headed anyway.

And this is an example of the fear, ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity common to most on the right, proving yet again that public accommodations laws are in fact just, proper and very much necessary.