"My Body, My Choice": The Worst Abortion Talking Points

[dblack]

Sorry clownshoes I'm on the Lord's mission to save the babies from evil people like you. If anyone is Satan's minions it's you baby murderers

You'll be judged accordingly

Oh, fuck you and your lord. The US isn't a theocracy.

And this is yet another manifestation of the right’s authoritarianism: conservatives’ contempt for Establishment Clause jurisprudence – where it was the original understanding and intent of the Framers that church and state remain separate, that religious doctrine and dogma not be codified in secular law, and that citizens be free from religious doctrine and dogma as compelled by the authority of the state.

Free to sin yourselves into hell, just quit dragging others into the pit with you.

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

What do you call murder ???? It is sin...
Does the government punish murderers ??

What do you call theft ?????? It is sin......
Does the government punish thieves ????

What do you call adultery ??? It is sin...
Does the government punish the adulterer in a divorce proceeding ?????

What do you call bearing false witness against another ??? It is sin... Does the government punish those whom lie to it under oath ????

All of these offenses violate individual rights, which is clearly a concept you've abandoned - or perhaps never comprehended in the first place.

You can't have a theocracy. Sorry.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" The Ghoul Den Rule Of Due Unto Others As One Would Have Done Unto Themselves "

What do you call murder ???? It is sin...
Does the government punish murderers ??

What do you call theft ?????? It is sin......
Does the government punish thieves ????

What do you call adultery ??? It is sin...
Does the government punish the adulterer in a divorce proceeding ?????

What do you call bearing false witness against another ??? It is sin... Does the government punish those whom lie to it under oath ????

How did we come to the understanding that these things are wrong, and therefore must be punished ??? We see the results and negative effects it brings upon another, so we realize that what is being talked about in the Bible is sin, and sin is the same thing in which causes a negative effect upon the citizens, so of course we punish those who engage in such things in which causes these negative effects upon another, and righteously so.

* More Misgivings From The Religious Reich *

Below are quotations from Numbers 5 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5&version=KJV :
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

Clearly , inducing miscarriage when the wife was carrying a child that resulted from adultery is acceptable to gawd ; and , yet , is a raped woman not defiled ?

The meaning of an after life , of a chance for eternal life , for being born again , for reincarnated , etc . are all metaphors with a literal meaning of passing on ones genetic identity through ones offspring .

Thus , children of rape provide an opportunity for a degenerate to pass on their genetic identity , and from the perspective of those competing fairly , fuck them !

Medical reasons including fetal abnormalities do not become evident until the second or third trimester and what do they have to do with fitness for genetic continuance and what is the impetus of a state to dictate an undo burden onto individuals who may as well try again in another month ?

The principle striving against abortion by the religious reich is used to validate " delusions for grandeur " and " will to power " to somehow establish that they will be immortal and wake up from a dirt nap .

The religious reich are anti-nomian heretics ; and , few understand the depth of that statement .

* Snyncretism Of Interior Planet Venus Passed On By Fools To Fools *

The replacement of roman cosmogony with the semitic cosmogony of sin mythology and luciferianism by christianity and by i slam with its crescent moon and venus star symbolism has got be one of the most idiotic directions of human fabrication .

Sin (mythology) - Wikipedia
Sīn /ˈsiːn/ or Suen (Akkadian: EN.ZU, pronounced Su'en, Sîn)[1] or Nanna (Sumerian: DNANNA) was the god of the moon in the Mesopotamian religions of Sumer, Akkad, Assyria and Babylonia. Nanna is a Sumerian deity, the son of Enlil and Ninlil, and became identified with the Semitic Sīn. The two chief seats of Nanna's/Sīn's worship were Ur in the south of Mesopotamia and Harran in the north. A moon god by the same name was also worshipped in South Arabia.

Sīn was also a protector of shepherds. During the period in which Ur exercised supremacy over the Euphrates valley (between 2600 and 2400 BC), Sīn was considered the supreme god. It was then that he was designated as "father of the gods", "head of the gods" or "creator of all things".

Sīn was also called "He whose heart can not be read" and was told that "he could see farther than all the gods". It is said that every new moon, the gods gather together from him to make predictions about the future.

Luciferianism - Wikipedia
Lucifer is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated [3] or heylel,[4] occurs once in the Hebrew Bible[3] and according to the KJV-based Strong's Concordance means "shining one, light-bearer".[4] The Septuagint renders in Greek as [5][6][7][8][9] (heōsphoros),[10][11][12] a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.[13] The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate,[14] which translates as lucifer,[15][16] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[17]

Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the Devil; as he was before his fall.[18]

 

[Vandalshandle]

Hence my good grief. Sometimes that's all that needs to be said

A lung cancer tumor is growing but it will never be anything more than a lung cancer tumor. A fetus is alive and will grow into a baby if it is not aborted. I now understand why pro-choice people are so dumb abort abortions it is because they don't know the difference between an unborn baby and a tumor. LMAO

...and for the first time, YOU have admitted that a fetus is not a baby. Congratulations! There is hope for you, yet!

A fetus is not a baby yet just as a boy is not a man but both are alive. A green tomato will be a red tomato but it is still a tomato. The question is not if the fetus is a baby or not but is it is alive. I have never in my life heard an unborn baby called a fetus by its mother. A fetus is just the scientific and medical terminology for the unborn at a certain stage of development. An embryo is not a baby but it is the beginning of a baby if not aborted by extermination. The unborn do not instantly come alive when it is born and take its first breath on it's own. The mother is breathing and eating for her baby while in the womb. Which acts as an incubator. Maybe some of you pro-choice people really should not have babies.

A fetus is mot just a medial term. It is also a legal term. You would have to change the law to outlaw aborting a fetus. You do not have to change the law to outlaw the killing of a baby, which nobody wants to do anyway.

The law can be changed as it was, before Roe vs Wade (1973), it was illegal to kill a fetus ie unborn baby before there was a law that made it legal.

Actually, that is not true. Abortion was virtually unrestricted in 17 states prior to Roe.

states with unrestricted abortion before Roe - Yahoo Image Search Results

In addition to that, abortion was not even criminalized in the USA until the mid 19th century.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Satan, the Lord of Lies, clearly has your soul snagged in his infernal vice-grip pliers, along with the souls of most pro-lifers.

You all may think you're cut a special deal with Satan for a luxury suite in Hell. Not the case. Satan, being the Lord of Lies, doesn't keep his deals. You'll burn with the rest. Think about it. Repent before it's too late.

Sorry clownshoes I'm on the Lord's mission to save the babies from evil people like you. If anyone is Satan's minions it's you baby murderers

You'll be judged accordingly

Oh, fuck you and your lord. The US isn't a theocracy.

And this is yet another manifestation of the right’s authoritarianism: conservatives’ contempt for Establishment Clause jurisprudence – where it was the original understanding and intent of the Framers that church and state remain separate, that religious doctrine and dogma not be codified in secular law, and that citizens be free from religious doctrine and dogma as compelled by the authority of the state.

Free to sin yourselves into hell, just quit dragging others into the pit with you.

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

 

[Salt]

The Pro-choice side makes the debate about women's rights because they do not want to engage with the Pro-lifers actual argument....that the unborn child is a human life. Instead they scream about an attack on women's rights in order to distract from what abortion really is. Murder.

This video provides a further discussion:

 

[dblack]

Sorry clownshoes I'm on the Lord's mission to save the babies from evil people like you. If anyone is Satan's minions it's you baby murderers

You'll be judged accordingly

Oh, fuck you and your lord. The US isn't a theocracy.

And this is yet another manifestation of the right’s authoritarianism: conservatives’ contempt for Establishment Clause jurisprudence – where it was the original understanding and intent of the Framers that church and state remain separate, that religious doctrine and dogma not be codified in secular law, and that citizens be free from religious doctrine and dogma as compelled by the authority of the state.

Free to sin yourselves into hell, just quit dragging others into the pit with you.

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

To protect individual rights. Not to punish sin. Sometimes those overlap. Often they don't.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Oh, fuck you and your lord. The US isn't a theocracy.

And this is yet another manifestation of the right’s authoritarianism: conservatives’ contempt for Establishment Clause jurisprudence – where it was the original understanding and intent of the Framers that church and state remain separate, that religious doctrine and dogma not be codified in secular law, and that citizens be free from religious doctrine and dogma as compelled by the authority of the state.

Free to sin yourselves into hell, just quit dragging others into the pit with you.

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

To protect individual rights. Not to punish sin. Sometimes those overlap. Often they don't.

Riiiiiight. There's absolutely no element of "This is bad and you should be punished for doing it" involved. Uh huh.

 

[LilOlLady]

A lung cancer tumor is growing but it will never be anything more than a lung cancer tumor. A fetus is alive and will grow into a baby if it is not aborted. I now understand why pro-choice people are so dumb abort abortions it is because they don't know the difference between an unborn baby and a tumor. LMAO

...and for the first time, YOU have admitted that a fetus is not a baby. Congratulations! There is hope for you, yet!

A fetus is not a baby yet just as a boy is not a man but both are alive. A green tomato will be a red tomato but it is still a tomato. The question is not if the fetus is a baby or not but is it is alive. I have never in my life heard an unborn baby called a fetus by its mother. A fetus is just the scientific and medical terminology for the unborn at a certain stage of development. An embryo is not a baby but it is the beginning of a baby if not aborted by extermination. The unborn do not instantly come alive when it is born and take its first breath on it's own. The mother is breathing and eating for her baby while in the womb. Which acts as an incubator. Maybe some of you pro-choice people really should not have babies.

A fetus is mot just a medial term. It is also a legal term. You would have to change the law to outlaw aborting a fetus. You do not have to change the law to outlaw the killing of a baby, which nobody wants to do anyway.

The law can be changed as it was, before Roe vs Wade (1973), it was illegal to kill a fetus ie unborn baby before there was a law that made it legal.

Actually, that is not true. Abortion was virtually unrestricted in 17 states prior to Roe.

states with unrestricted abortion before Roe - Yahoo Image Search Results

In addition to that, abortion was not even criminalized in the USA until the mid 19th century.

Various anti-abortion laws have been in force in each state since at least 1900. Illegal but not a crime warranting prosecuting.

 

[dblack]

And this is yet another manifestation of the right’s authoritarianism: conservatives’ contempt for Establishment Clause jurisprudence – where it was the original understanding and intent of the Framers that church and state remain separate, that religious doctrine and dogma not be codified in secular law, and that citizens be free from religious doctrine and dogma as compelled by the authority of the state.

Free to sin yourselves into hell, just quit dragging others into the pit with you.

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

To protect individual rights. Not to punish sin. Sometimes those overlap. Often they don't.

Riiiiiight. There's absolutely no element of "This is bad and you should be punished for doing it" involved. Uh huh.

That may be some people's motivation - or they may simply consider violating someone's rights as 'bad'. But the point stands. Government is there to protect our rights, not play morality parent.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Free to sin yourselves into hell, just quit dragging others into the pit with you.

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

To protect individual rights. Not to punish sin. Sometimes those overlap. Often they don't.

Riiiiiight. There's absolutely no element of "This is bad and you should be punished for doing it" involved. Uh huh.

That may be some people's motivation - or they may simply consider violating someone's rights as 'bad'. But the point stands. Government is there to protect our rights, not play morality parent.

Sorry, but you don't get to say "THIS is 'morality parenting', but this is just protecting rights" based solely on what you approve and disapprove of. The fact stands that our laws are based on morality, whatever weasel words you try to use to get around it, and it's not "demanding a theocracy" to suggest that abortion shouldn't be sanctioned by government . . . and it certainly isn't "demanding a theocracy" to express the personal opinion that it's sinful. I doubt that sin is actually the primary point in any public policy Beagle is advocating in regards to abortion.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" The Defiled "

* Religious Reich Espouses Abortion Exception For Adultery *

The Pro-choice side makes the debate about women's rights because they do not want to engage with the Pro-lifers actual argument....that the unborn child is a human life. Instead they scream about an attack on women's rights in order to distract from what abortion really is. Murder. This video provides a further discussion:

Obviously it is NOT murder to abort a fetus that results from adultery according to gawd - Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5 - King James Version .

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

 

[beagle9]

" The Defiled "

* Religious Reich Espouses Abortion Exception For Adultery *

The Pro-choice side makes the debate about women's rights because they do not want to engage with the Pro-lifers actual argument....that the unborn child is a human life. Instead they scream about an attack on women's rights in order to distract from what abortion really is. Murder. This video provides a further discussion:

Obviously it is NOT murder to abort a fetus that results from adultery according to gawd - Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5 - King James Version .

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

A scholar must answer this for us (if he or she can), because your interpretation could very well be wrong completely. Hmmm.

Now give us your interpretation of this in which you have copied for us to read. Thanks.

 

[dblack]

Piss off. It's not the job of government to punish sin. You can't have a theocracy.

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

To protect individual rights. Not to punish sin. Sometimes those overlap. Often they don't.

Riiiiiight. There's absolutely no element of "This is bad and you should be punished for doing it" involved. Uh huh.

That may be some people's motivation - or they may simply consider violating someone's rights as 'bad'. But the point stands. Government is there to protect our rights, not play morality parent.

Sorry, but you don't get to say "THIS is 'morality parenting', but this is just protecting rights" based solely on what you approve and disapprove of.

That's not what I'm basing it on. I'm saying that if no one's rights are being violated, the government has no business intervening, regardless of whether some people might think sin is involved.

 

[dblack]

" The Defiled "

* Religious Reich Espouses Abortion Exception For Adultery *

The Pro-choice side makes the debate about women's rights because they do not want to engage with the Pro-lifers actual argument....that the unborn child is a human life. Instead they scream about an attack on women's rights in order to distract from what abortion really is. Murder. This video provides a further discussion:

Obviously it is NOT murder to abort a fetus that results from adultery according to gawd - Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5 - King James Version .

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

It's in the book!

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Fake Posers Demanding Their Way Be Done "

* Slapped Down For Arrogance *

A scholar must answer this for us (if he or she can), because your interpretation could very well be wrong completely. Hmmm.
Now give us your interpretation of this in which you have copied for us to read. Thanks.

The interpretations have been documented numerous times before as an Ordeal of the bitter water - Wikipedia .

Do you not get it - anti-nomian heretic ? !

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Shrill "

* Ate` *

It's in the book!

Yes , thereby placing the pro-birth from conception agenda on the skids .

Atë - Wikipedia

 

[beagle9]

" Fake Posers Demanding Their Way Be Done "

* Slapped Down For Arrogance *

A scholar must answer this for us (if he or she can), because your interpretation could very well be wrong completely. Hmmm.
Now give us your interpretation of this in which you have copied for us to read. Thanks.

The interpretations have been documented numerous times before as an Ordeal of the bitter water - Wikipedia .

Do you not get it - anti-nomian heretic ? !

Give us your interpretation.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Pompous Pious Promoting - Render Unto Caeser All While Aspiring To Be Caeser "

* Relevance Of Deduction *

Give us your interpretation.

The interpretation is for you to find an exception to the Ordeal of the bitter water - Wikipedia based upon whether a woman was or was not pregnant when the trial by ordeal occurred , all in the context of " else she shall conceive seed " , because else she shall not conceive seed - Successful management of uterine prolapse during pregnancy with vaginal pessary: a case report .

* Genetic Continuance And Strong Anthropic Principles *

The meaning of an after life , of a chance for eternal life , for being born again , for being reincarnated , etc . are all metaphors with a literal meaning of passing on ones genetic identity through ones offspring .

Far be it from me to presume that Brood parasite - Wikipedia does not occur within nature , but a woman conceiving a child for a man not her husband without the informed consent of her husband with whom she has a monogamous agreement is illegitimate aggression against self ownership of the husband .

Medical reasons including fetal abnormalities do not become evident until the second or third trimester and fitness for genetic continuance and is the privilege of individuals and not a dictate of the state , and it is especially not an option of a state to impose undo burdens onto individuals who may as well try again in another month .

The children of rape provide an opportunity for one whom has violated non aggression principles by a degenerate act of defiling the self ownership of a woman to pass on their genetic identity .

The religious reich in its obtrusive antinomian heresy ignore the meaning of life for self validation of its own delusions of grandeur .

 

[Cecilie1200]

" The Defiled "

* Religious Reich Espouses Abortion Exception For Adultery *

The Pro-choice side makes the debate about women's rights because they do not want to engage with the Pro-lifers actual argument....that the unborn child is a human life. Instead they scream about an attack on women's rights in order to distract from what abortion really is. Murder. This video provides a further discussion:

Obviously it is NOT murder to abort a fetus that results from adultery according to gawd - Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5 - King James Version .

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

A scholar must answer this for us (if he or she can), because your interpretation could very well be wrong completely. Hmmm.

Now give us your interpretation of this in which you have copied for us to read. Thanks.

It's actually pretty easy to understand if you've read and studied the book of Numbers for context, rather than cherrypicking for a verse to use out-of-context, the way Monkey Boy did. Short answer, that's not an abortion/miscarriage being described. He saw "Belly shall swell", and ASSumed the woman in question was pregnant.

Long answer: The book of Numbers, along with Leviticus and Deuteronomy, spends a lot of time spelling out the laws God gave to the Israelites during their wilderness years, to enable them to function as a coherent and insular society while wandering the land. Chapter 5, verses 27-29 spell out the test for an adulterous wife if there was no evidence of the adultery, but only suspicion on the part of the husband. If she was guilty, then she would be cursed with very visible signs of her guilt and become sterile. If she was innocent, then she would be fine and still able to get pregnant.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No? So why do we have criminal law, and police, and prisons?

To protect individual rights. Not to punish sin. Sometimes those overlap. Often they don't.

Riiiiiight. There's absolutely no element of "This is bad and you should be punished for doing it" involved. Uh huh.

That may be some people's motivation - or they may simply consider violating someone's rights as 'bad'. But the point stands. Government is there to protect our rights, not play morality parent.

Sorry, but you don't get to say "THIS is 'morality parenting', but this is just protecting rights" based solely on what you approve and disapprove of.

That's not what I'm basing it on. I'm saying that if no one's rights are being violated, the government has no business intervening, regardless of whether some people might think sin is involved.

Yeah, that IS what you're basing it on, just like you're basing "If no one's rights are being violated" on solely YOUR opinion that no one's rights are being violated, because you personally have decided that the unborn baby is "no one" and therefore has no inherent rights.

And "prolife is all about sin and religion!" continues to be a straw man.