Nazi Roots of the Arab Palestinian Movement

[MHunterB]

That is like saying enlisting in the Vichy regime was in support of France.

Here's one more Jewish Nazi reference before I head out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews


Look this isn't the most interesting thread on this forum, frankly, so I'm outta here, at least for the next couple of hours. The Nazi Jews did not wind up influencing the Jewish community, and the Grand Mufti did not have any lasting Influence among Palestinians, regardless of what Roudy's sources SCREAM at him (poor boy).

No, it isn't. I've tried to educate you about the reality of the Russian existential threat to Finland - but you've chosen to ignore that while it's a very obvious motivation for ANY Finn to join their military.

Oh, and I'd like to see some form of documentation for your unsupported assertions that the GM was not at all influential among Palestinians. You're insisting that some well-researched works by historians are inaccurate - I 'd like to know how you arrived at that conclusion.

Remember, it's not Roudy whose words are the issue: it's the historians.

 

[amity1844]

No, it isn't. I've tried to educate you about the reality of the Russian existential threat to Finland - but you've chosen to ignore that while it's a very obvious motivation for ANY Finn to join their military.

Oh, and I'd like to see some form of documentation for your unsupported assertions that the GM was not at all influential among Palestinians. You're insisting that some well-researched works by historians are inaccurate - I 'd like to know how you arrived at that conclusion.

Remember, it's not Roudy whose words are the issue: it's the historians.

Ok, I do understand about the Russian threat. But frankly an invasion of space aliens wouldn't get me to join a Nazi affiliated military. There really is no excuse for it. Done.

If you want the documentation, read the Grand Mufti article all the way through until you come to the assessment of his role near the end. I am pretty sure those are Israeli sources identifying his irrelevance. I think they were profs at Hebrew Univ. I'll bet you'll believe them. That article is very well sourced, and you can evaluate the process of development by going to the talk pages. Instead of wild eyed screaming extremists, you hav professional historians, people of good will and good concience who are negotiating back and forth, collaborating on research and sharing sources instead of hitting each other over the head with alleged "facts." Remember, the point is never to win, the point is to learn.

Isn't anyone going to ask me the title and author of the delightful book recommendation?

 

[amity1844]

"Amity" - Why would it make any difference whatsoever that a person is 'leftist' with regard to anti-Jewish motives?

Oh, and incidentally - just what is your 'definition' of "Jewish Nazi" and please cite the sources for that information?

Sorry, I just realized I got bogged down in the second part and didn't answer the first part. Soooo.... being "anti-Jewish" has nothing to do with it. The mufti apparently was genuinely anti-Semitic, Arafat was not. Nazis are about a right wing as it is possible to get, so why would a moderate left wing person with a totally different idealogy want to be influenced by an extreme right winger?

 

[Vigilante]

The American NAZI regime continues to let the Jews know exactly where the regime stands!

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[Roudy]

"Amity" - Why would it make any difference whatsoever that a person is 'leftist' with regard to anti-Jewish motives?

Oh, and incidentally - just what is your 'definition' of "Jewish Nazi" and please cite the sources for that information?

Sorry, I just realized I got bogged down in the second part and didn't answer the first part. Soooo.... being "anti-Jewish" has nothing to do with it. The mufti apparently was genuinely anti-Semitic, Arafat was not. Nazis are about a right wing as it is possible to get, so why would a moderate left wing person with a totally different idealogy want to be influenced by an extreme right winger?

Arafat wasn't anti Semetic? Ha ha ha.

Nazi = National Socialism <----- Clearly left wing.

You are ignorant on many levels.

 

[amity1844]

Nope, I know a lot I know Arafat wasn't anti-Semitic at the very least. That one is easy.

Please read the professionally written article and ignore the rest of the stuff you found. When Israel can't find statements to support what they want people to believe, they will sometimes plant those statement on a bogus website or in the mouth of a bogus "authority."

 

[Sally]

Nope, I know a lot I know Arafat wasn't anti-Semitic at the very least. That one is easy.

Please read the professionally written article and ignore the rest of the stuff you found. When Israel can't find statements to support what they want people to believe, they will sometimes plant those statement on a bogus website or in the mouth of a bogus "authority."

Gee, Amity must have known Arafat personally to say that he wasn't anti-Semitic. Meanwhile, perhaps Amity can tell us why Mein Kempf is one of the most popular books in the Arab world.

 

[amity1844]

I just realized what you wrote. You think because The name o the Nazi party spelled out has the word "socialism" in it that Nazism is left wing, don't you? No, no, Nazism is extreme right wing. Trust me, I have a graduate degree in political science (may God have mercy!)

 

[MHunterB]

I just realized what you wrote. You think because The name o the Nazi party spelled out has the word "socialism" in it that Nazism is left wing, don't you? No, no, Nazism is extreme right wing. Trust me, I have a graduate degree in political science (may God have mercy!)

It really doesn't make any difference at that point: both Left and Right at the extremes are hostile to democracy and also to religious freedom. I refer to it as 'the dark side of the moon'......

 

[MHunterB]

Nope, I know a lot I know Arafat wasn't anti-Semitic at the very least. That one is easy.

Please read the professionally written article and ignore the rest of the stuff you found. When Israel can't find statements to support what they want people to believe, they will sometimes plant those statement on a bogus website or in the mouth of a bogus "authority."

This isn't the 'conspiracy' forum.

 

[amity1844]

What if I can source that statement? They have been exposed doing it several times.

And by the way, Arafat was very moderately left, not far left at all. His agenda was pure unadulterated nationalism and nation building basically.

 

[Roudy]

Nope, I know a lot I know Arafat wasn't anti-Semitic at the very least. That one is easy.

Please read the professionally written article and ignore the rest of the stuff you found. When Israel can't find statements to support what they want people to believe, they will sometimes plant those statement on a bogus website or in the mouth of a bogus "authority."

You know jack, sock of Montelatici.

Montelatici who was a sock didn't know jack, and you as the sock of the sock won't either. Yasser Arafat was pure 100% anti semetic terrorist scum who even robbed his own people.

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!"
Yasser Arafat

"We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem."
Yasser Arafat

Yasser Arafat and the PLO's Jihadist Agenda

In his Nazi mufti mentor, the future Nobel Peace Prize laureate discovered a true soul mate. Arafat expressed his admiration for the mufti until the end of his days, describing him in an interview published in the Palestinian newspaper al-Quds as his "model and hero."[38] This mentor enlisted him in the Muslim Brotherhood where he received his first military training at the hands of former Nazis.[39] In October 1959, Arafat and some of his colleagues founded Fatah, a word that means "conquest" and is a reverse acronym for Harakat at-Tahrir al-Filastini

 

[Hossfly]

What if I can source that statement? They have been exposed doing it several times.

And by the way, Arafat was very moderately left, not far left at all. His agenda was pure unadulterated nationalism and nation building basically.

The science fiction forum is in need of some material. Go check it out.

 

[Roudy]

What if I can source that statement? They have been exposed doing it several times.

And by the way, Arafat was very moderately left, not far left at all. His agenda was pure unadulterated nationalism and nation building basically.

The science fiction forum is in need of some material. Go check it out.

Like Monty, he brags a lot about his bogus sources. Talk about a dead give away.

 

[aris2chat]

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/165975/video-arafat-recognizes-israel-as-a-jewish-state

Yasser Arafat a Moroccan Jew?

just something else to consider

 

[Lipush]

Nope, I know a lot I know Arafat wasn't anti-Semitic at the very least. That one is easy.

 

[Lipush]

What if I can source that statement? They have been exposed doing it several times.

And by the way, Arafat was very moderately left, not far left at all

 

[amity1844]

OK, guys, like I said, the problem your having is your sources. You will be utterly marginalized and have cred only with the totally ignorant as a result of this, until you decide to educate yourselves. Some of these websites are Zionist "puppets" or "trolls" or whatever, that's all there is to it. They are not formed by the Israeli government necessarily, but by someone who doesn't know much of anything, and just wants to stir up trouble and mislead the gullible and so jus needs something they can point to and say "see?" This is because none of this inflammatory stuff can actually be found on a any actual Palestinian website.

They are just filled with nonsense and that has cost you my respect. You could start by just taking a couple of college courses and then reading some credible books, and at that point you will be capable of discourse.

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The beautiful book I was going to recommend is called "Out of Place" and is by Edward Said. He was a Palestinian, and a Princeton and Harvard educated professor of English who also sat on the Palestine National Council. When he received a diagnosis of a leukemia, he wrote Out of Place as his memoir, his legacy. He died in 2003.

 

[Sally]

OK, guys, like I said, the problem your having is your sources. You will be utterly marginalized and have cred only with the totally ignorant as a result of this, until you decide to educate yourselves. Some of these websites are Zionist "puppets" or "trolls" or whatever, that's all there is to it. They are not formed by the Israeli government necessarily, but by someone who doesn't know much of anything, and just wants to stir up trouble and mislead the gullible and so jus needs something they can point to and say "see?" This is because none of this inflammatory stuff can actually be found on a any actual Palestinian website.

They are just filled with nonsense and that has cost you my respect. You could start by just taking a couple of college courses and then reading some credible books, and at that point you will be capable of discourse.

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The beautiful book I was going to recommend is called "Out of Place" and is by Edward Said. He was a Palestinian, and a Princeton and Harvard educated professor of English who also sat on the Palestine National Council. When he received a diagnosis of a leukemia, he wrote Out of Place as his memoir, his legacy. He died in 2003.

Why, Amity, there are loads of books. May I suggest Menashe Harel's books. He is an Israeli geographer and historian who in his lifetime has walked all over Israel. Meanwhile, with Amity coming onboard, it looks like the other poster from the Boiler Room is having a well-deserved rest. Let us just say that Amity and gang can use whatever websites they think are useful to them, and others on the opposte side can use the websites they feel like using. This way everyone is happy. Right, Amity???

 

[MHunterB]

LOL, well thanks for admitting you didn't want to 'discuss' but only to pimp the Palestinian 'narrative' : ))

Do you really fantasize that anyone else gives a tinker's dam for the 'respect' of some anonymous new poster on a chatboard?