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Self defense isn’t Murder terroristWell they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terroristOh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democratsFacts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals
vs.
The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.
The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.
Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.
Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.
Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???
And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?
Shitstain, I challenged you to post proof he was intent on stealing something. Your answer should not be in the form of questioning me. I don't have your answer.I’m being reasonable, was he in there to figure out where the couch was going?Great, post evidence he was intent on stealing something.Entering a dwelling with the intent on stealing is a felony in Georgia
I see him jogging in this video up until he reaches the truck. Who knows what you see differently?I thought he was running away from the rednecks???it hasnt been proven he was a jogger
What authority will tell us if he is a walker, jogger, skipper, runner? I see a video and I see a young man jogging until he gets shot dead by a shooter.
What is the proper white extremist adjective for jogging while black?
‘Musta stole sumthin!!!
and not a single person has come forward and said they saw him jogging,,only running away from an empty house that he walked up to,,,
"jogging"
LOL
Watch the video... not a single running step taken before breaking into property.
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You mean in the 30 feet leading up to the driveway? That's your evidence he wasn't jogging? How does that reveal what he was doing prior to entering the frame of that video?
sure doesnt mean he was jogging,,,
has anyone come forward and say they saw him jogging???
Yes, anybody with a functioning brain who watched the video with him jogging.
do you know the difference between jogging and running from something???
distance,,
so did anyone see him jogging outside of what we see in the videos???
From what was he running?
if you dont already know you need to educate yourself or shut up,,,
LOLOL
Putz, he wasn't running from anything.
Why are you so beyond unreasonable? Are you insane?
Putz, pointing out reality to you is not unreasonable.
I can see the video. I’ll signs show his intent was criminal
I’m being reasonable, was he in there to figure out where the couch was going?Great, post evidence he was intent on stealing something.Entering a dwelling with the intent on stealing is a felony in Georgia
They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democratsFacts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals
vs.
The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.
The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.
Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.
Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.
Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???
And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?
It is serious, and the men are being treated fairly. I will absolutely object if they are denied any of their civil rights. Just as I have in the past when anyone is deprived of their rights.
In many ways, you are just as bad as a far left loony Liberal. They hate the Second Amendment, and want to pretend the words do not mean what they clearly say, and what the founders obviously intended. They try to claim that the Second Amendment only applies to the Army or National Guard. As if you would ever need a Constitutional Amendment that the Military Should have weapons to fight a war. No matter what you say, they will not shift from that stance. No matter how much contextual evidence you provide showing that the Founders really meant everyone, those loony leftists just will not admit it.
You are exactly the same. Link after link. Post after post. You refuse to admit your heroes did anything wrong. Legal Experts, Lawyers, Cops, and a host of others who have studied the matter tell you that your position is untenable based upon facts and evidence. Yet you persist. Obstinate to the extreme.
It is absolutely serious. The fate of the White Race does not rest upon it. The ability of gun owners to possess and utilize their weapons in case of life or death emergencies will not be affected. But it is absolutely serious.
I’ll even go one further on you regarding fairness. Just as I have objected to police misconduct in the past, if it arises in this case, clear misconduct, like Cops planting evidence, withholding evidence from the defense, or lying under oath, I will object. Because again, my loyalty is to the Constitution, the nation, and the truth.
Truth must be based upon facts. Imagine Facts as the dots with numbers on them for those draw a picture things we did as children, and kids today do on their computers or iPads. The truth is the lines that connect those facts. The truth is those two men committed crimes.
I have said before that yes, Ahmad did Trespass. But as I pointed out many times, there are limits in the law as to who can press charges, and that means who can place an individual under arrest, for that crime. The law, which must be based upon the Constitution, is clear. The Law which derives it’s authority from the Constitution must be fair. It must apply to all equally.
Yes, it is most serious. And now, we are moving forward. In a year or so, there will be a trial. And I will watch it to see if the Police committed any Misconduct as they did with Bundy, and many others. If they did, I will expect and argue that the McMichaels should go free. Not because they are innocent of the charges, but because of the misconduct. The same way I argue always.
But if you had read those links, you would have a better idea of what probably happened. I say probably, because here the dots the truth is connecting are very faint. But it seems likely. Again, it does not bode well for the Defense of those two men.
We are a nation of laws. We define right and wrong that way. We punish those who do wrong, in a proportional manner, based upon the evidence in each case. In this case, the evidence released so far is very damaging to the McMichaels. Not because they are White. Not because the Victim was Black. But because the evidence says what you desperately refuse to admit it says.
The law says what it says. It isn’t new. This isn’t the first case where a new law is being tested. This is the same law that has been applied many thousands of times. And the McMichaels broke that law. In my and pretty much every legal field experts opinion. Now, I expect the Prosecution to follow the rules, and obey the law, and insure that the McMichaels are tried fairly. I said before, and I will repeat this. I sincerely hope that they get a different lawyer. Because the one they have, is not good for them.
If they were in Savannah, and this was 25 years ago, I would have suggested Sonny Seiler. Sonny could probably get them off. At least a Hung Jury. But it is going to take a smart legal mind to defend them. Not from the unfair charges, but from the fair charges that they earned.
You need to stop screaming it is a set up or all bullshit. It isn’t. If you really want to help them, you should start collecting money for their legal defense. They are going to need a really good legal team. Otherwise they are going to go to Georgia’s Prison system, which is an abomination by any stretch of the imagination. In my opinion, it is a disgrace, but I am one person and my single voice is lost on that issue.
Seriously. Stomping your foot and swearing that the sun rises in the West is not going to help them. Cough up some cash for their defense. They are going to need a million dollars if they go to trial. There is one way a Retired Cop could afford that, but I doubt that even the most corrupt cop in Glynn County could skim that much cash and still have any of it left.
LOLOLBecause his ex police officer I guarantee you the property owner gave him permission to view the security camera anytime he wanted and he saw him in there with the intent to steal. He says he saw it on a video camera on the police reportDumbfuck, direct knowledge of the felony committed that day. Not based on his false recollection of the guy he saw on some other video which wasn't even Arbery.Police report said he saw a video so I don’t know if he had access to this guys security system, or what but he said he saw video.. we will find outDirect knowledge of a felony is the other possibility, which McMichael also didn't have.read the law,,eye witness is not the only criteria,,,yes I did read it and no the law says more than just eye witness the crime as I pointed out earlier when the text of the law was posted,,,it says more than that as I pointed out earlier when someone posted the text of the law,,,thats not all of what the law says,,,..he INITIATED the problem by going where he shouldn't..AA was very dumb---going INTO a structure--WTF FOR!!!!??????-to STEAL or steal later...so, the evil whites were NOT WRONG in going after him...I thought at first they had no reason....but they did.....should they have? probably not...follow, get a picture/etc
They were not only wrong they were breaking the law when they grabbed their guns and went after Arbery as they said to make a ‘citizens arrest,’
They had to witness a felony in person as it took place; not on tape.
The law is settled. If you still think they were not wrong to kill a man over a minute visit in an open structure.
Yes, they decided to kill him if he did not stop jogging at their command at gunpoint.
thats a far cry from your suggestion “follow get a picture. I agree with that, but my god How can you suggest that what we saw them do was not wrong.
They set up an illegal armed roadblock to stop a free non-dangerous citizen from jogging.
And they are not wrong you say?
the young man stops for three minutes in an open construction site building and takes a look and he is wrong to the point that two men were right to chase him and shoot him if he did not do as he was told.
Why
--AAbery did something that could be seen as stealing---m
The two white guts did somthing that gir them arrested for aggravated assault and murder over nothing. That young man did.
he was f$&6;Ing jogging in shorts and T-shirts. and the white me bring a shotgun to make him pull that 8 in Skilsaw out of his left back pocket.
Drive along side nicely with no fucking shotgun sticking out the window and ask What were you doing in there kid” and when he says “I dunno just looking around” so smile and say “You probably should not go there - the owner is asshole ya know what I mean.you don’t to git yer self hurt.”
thats how real adults behave.
and say “ have a nice day” instead of spending the rest of your life in prison for shooting an unarmed young black man for not stopping to talk to you at gunpoint.
You think the kid was dumb?
my god what about those two ignorant dumbass shooters? they had the power to deescalate not the kid. they belong in prison now. they are Too ignorant and dangerous to be be free. Shooting an unarmed kid in shorts and tee shirt and running shoes.
I wouldn’t think anyone could be so deprived of conscience as to support the killers and trash the kid.
I wouldn’t think anyone could be so deprived of conscience as to support a criminal and trash law and order
I have been talking about the law. And in Georgia the ones breaking the law most severely even before the shots were fired was the McMichaels.
He had not committed a burglary. There was nothing at the construction site small enough to carry with him while wearing shorts and a t shirt concealed. Ok. He might had had half a dozen nails. But that is literally the limit. And odds are heavily against him stealing anything.
There had not been a burglary since Christmas in the neighborhood. So there was no current crime wave or even recent, say within the last two months, that justified going out armed to hunt down the possible suspects.
Finally. They did not know the owners of the property. The owners have said they never talked to the McMichaels. There was no way for the McMichaels to know who this guy was. He might have been the owner, or a relative, or friend and was authorized to be there.
.....it's just like a stranger going into someone's garage and then running out..it is common sense to think he stole something
Under Georgia Law it isn’t enough to think. You have to see them commit the crime for Citizens Arrest. Otherwise you are liable criminally and civilly.
Yes, the law says you must see them commit a felony. None of that happened.
Nope. You are in error.
Did you read this:
Dana Loesch#1 Female Radio Host in AmericaThe Killing of Ahmaud Arbery
Consistency is important, particularly when it comes to due process. So, too, is discussion of self defense rights. I’ve seen the video of Ahmaud Arbery’s killing (a link to this video …danaloesch.com
So how did they witness a felony, if one did not occur?
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McMichael wasn't protected by Georgia's self defense law.Self defense isn’t Murder terroristWell they murdered someone, so why is it unfair for them to face the same consequences?you sound like a terrorist.. you want two innocent men in jail to die for political reasons, to race bait.. you are a terroristOh, they'll be treated fairly -- once they're incarcerated. Inmates love cops.They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democratsFacts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals
vs.
The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.
The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.
Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.
Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.
Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???
And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?
I see him jogging in this video up until he reaches the truck. Who knows what you see differently?I thought he was running away from the rednecks???it hasnt been proven he was a jogger
What authority will tell us if he is a walker, jogger, skipper, runner? I see a video and I see a young man jogging until he gets shot dead by a shooter.
What is the proper white extremist adjective for jogging while black?
‘Musta stole sumthin!!!
and not a single person has come forward and said they saw him jogging,,only running away from an empty house that he walked up to,,,
"jogging"
LOL
Watch the video... not a single running step taken before breaking into property.
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Who is the guy running down the street?
"I posted the Georgia Law which contradicts what you claim."They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democratsFacts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals
vs.
The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.
The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.
Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.
Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.
Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???
And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?
It is serious, and the men are being treated fairly. I will absolutely object if they are denied any of their civil rights. Just as I have in the past when anyone is deprived of their rights.
In many ways, you are just as bad as a far left loony Liberal. They hate the Second Amendment, and want to pretend the words do not mean what they clearly say, and what the founders obviously intended. They try to claim that the Second Amendment only applies to the Army or National Guard. As if you would ever need a Constitutional Amendment that the Military Should have weapons to fight a war. No matter what you say, they will not shift from that stance. No matter how much contextual evidence you provide showing that the Founders really meant everyone, those loony leftists just will not admit it.
You are exactly the same. Link after link. Post after post. You refuse to admit your heroes did anything wrong. Legal Experts, Lawyers, Cops, and a host of others who have studied the matter tell you that your position is untenable based upon facts and evidence. Yet you persist. Obstinate to the extreme.
It is absolutely serious. The fate of the White Race does not rest upon it. The ability of gun owners to possess and utilize their weapons in case of life or death emergencies will not be affected. But it is absolutely serious.
I’ll even go one further on you regarding fairness. Just as I have objected to police misconduct in the past, if it arises in this case, clear misconduct, like Cops planting evidence, withholding evidence from the defense, or lying under oath, I will object. Because again, my loyalty is to the Constitution, the nation, and the truth.
Truth must be based upon facts. Imagine Facts as the dots with numbers on them for those draw a picture things we did as children, and kids today do on their computers or iPads. The truth is the lines that connect those facts. The truth is those two men committed crimes.
I have said before that yes, Ahmad did Trespass. But as I pointed out many times, there are limits in the law as to who can press charges, and that means who can place an individual under arrest, for that crime. The law, which must be based upon the Constitution, is clear. The Law which derives it’s authority from the Constitution must be fair. It must apply to all equally.
Yes, it is most serious. And now, we are moving forward. In a year or so, there will be a trial. And I will watch it to see if the Police committed any Misconduct as they did with Bundy, and many others. If they did, I will expect and argue that the McMichaels should go free. Not because they are innocent of the charges, but because of the misconduct. The same way I argue always.
But if you had read those links, you would have a better idea of what probably happened. I say probably, because here the dots the truth is connecting are very faint. But it seems likely. Again, it does not bode well for the Defense of those two men.
We are a nation of laws. We define right and wrong that way. We punish those who do wrong, in a proportional manner, based upon the evidence in each case. In this case, the evidence released so far is very damaging to the McMichaels. Not because they are White. Not because the Victim was Black. But because the evidence says what you desperately refuse to admit it says.
The law says what it says. It isn’t new. This isn’t the first case where a new law is being tested. This is the same law that has been applied many thousands of times. And the McMichaels broke that law. In my and pretty much every legal field experts opinion. Now, I expect the Prosecution to follow the rules, and obey the law, and insure that the McMichaels are tried fairly. I said before, and I will repeat this. I sincerely hope that they get a different lawyer. Because the one they have, is not good for them.
If they were in Savannah, and this was 25 years ago, I would have suggested Sonny Seiler. Sonny could probably get them off. At least a Hung Jury. But it is going to take a smart legal mind to defend them. Not from the unfair charges, but from the fair charges that they earned.
You need to stop screaming it is a set up or all bullshit. It isn’t. If you really want to help them, you should start collecting money for their legal defense. They are going to need a really good legal team. Otherwise they are going to go to Georgia’s Prison system, which is an abomination by any stretch of the imagination. In my opinion, it is a disgrace, but I am one person and my single voice is lost on that issue.
Seriously. Stomping your foot and swearing that the sun rises in the West is not going to help them. Cough up some cash for their defense. They are going to need a million dollars if they go to trial. There is one way a Retired Cop could afford that, but I doubt that even the most corrupt cop in Glynn County could skim that much cash and still have any of it left.
You spew a lot of verbiage which has no relevance to this case.....you go on and on about that they had no legal right to coduct a citizens arrest...I posted the Georgia Law which contradicts what you claim.
And again....it really is not relevant...because they did not make an arrest nor did they attempt to make an arrest....you have no evidence whatsoever they arrested the blackjogger or attempted to arrest the black jogger.
The father was a former policemen and he knew how to make an arrest if he had desired to do so...no such event occurred...though you dishonestly keep implying it did.
In the video you can see the so called black jogger running down the street towards the men and their truck....they are far ahead of him and the truck is parked...the door on the left side is open...the son is outside the truick to the left and slightly to the front....the father is in the bed of the truck and never gets out until the incident is over.
In the video posted numereous times and which you have no excuse not to have watched ....you make no comments on it...why is that?
Anyhow....in the video you see the so called black jogger run up to the truck and then go around the right side of it.....he is not restrained in any way...and there is plenty of room for him to get around the truck which he did and thus he could have continued jogging on down the street...nothing to restrain him or detain him....he did not have handcuffs on either.......yet instead of jogging on down the street he quickly veered to the left and attacked the white dude with the shotgun....they scuffled for control of the weapon....3 shots were fired during this struggle and ultimately the so called black jogger....jogs no more but collapses and dies.
Do you dispute any of that? Did you watch the video?
Show me that videoi'm disturbed that the black guy attacked a white man standing in the street minding his own business...he INITIATED the problem by going where he shouldn't..AA was very dumb---going INTO a structure--WTF FOR!!!!??????-to STEAL or steal later...so, the evil whites were NOT WRONG in going after him...I thought at first they had no reason....but they did.....should they have? probably not...follow, get a picture/etc
They were not only wrong they were breaking the law when they grabbed their guns and went after Arbery as they said to make a ‘citizens arrest,’
They had to witness a felony in person as it took place; not on tape.
The law is settled. If you still think they were not wrong to kill a man over a minute visit in an open structure.
Yes, they decided to kill him if he did not stop jogging at their command at gunpoint.
thats a far cry from your suggestion “follow get a picture. I agree with that, but my god How can you suggest that what we saw them do was not wrong.
They set up an illegal armed roadblock to stop a free non-dangerous citizen from jogging.
And they are not wrong you say?
the young man stops for three minutes in an open construction site building and takes a look and he is wrong to the point that two men were right to chase him and shoot him if he did not do as he was told.
Why
--AAbery did something that could be seen as stealing---m
The two white guts did somthing that gir them arrested for aggravated assault and murder over nothing. That young man did.
he was f$&6;Ing jogging in shorts and T-shirts. and the white me bring a shotgun to make him pull that 8 in Skilsaw out of his left back pocket.
Drive along side nicely with no fucking shotgun sticking out the window and ask What were you doing in there kid” and when he says “I dunno just looking around” so smile and say “You probably should not go there - the owner is asshole ya know what I mean.you don’t to git yer self hurt.”
thats how real adults behave.
and say “ have a nice day” instead of spending the rest of your life in prison for shooting an unarmed young black man for not stopping to talk to you at gunpoint.
You think the kid was dumb?
my god what about those two ignorant dumbass shooters? they had the power to deescalate not the kid. they belong in prison now. they are Too ignorant and dangerous to be be free. Shooting an unarmed kid in shorts and tee shirt and running shoes.
I wouldn’t think anyone could be so deprived of conscience as to support the killers and trash the kid.
I wouldn’t think anyone could be so deprived of conscience as to support a criminal and trash law and order
I have been talking about the law. And in Georgia the ones breaking the law most severely even before the shots were fired was the McMichaels.
He had not committed a burglary. There was nothing at the construction site small enough to carry with him while wearing shorts and a t shirt concealed. Ok. He might had had half a dozen nails. But that is literally the limit. And odds are heavily against him stealing anything.
There had not been a burglary since Christmas in the neighborhood. So there was no current crime wave or even recent, say within the last two months, that justified going out armed to hunt down the possible suspects.
Finally. They did not know the owners of the property. The owners have said they never talked to the McMichaels. There was no way for the McMichaels to know who this guy was. He might have been the owner, or a relative, or friend and was authorized to be there.
.....it's just like a stranger going into someone's garage and then running out..it is common sense to think he stole something
Under Georgia Law it isn’t enough to think. You have to see them commit the crime for Citizens Arrest. Otherwise you are liable criminally and civilly.
Still stuck on the citizens arrest b.s.
Let me cut to the chase here.......say the white dudes did make a citizens arrest....or tried to make a citizens arrest of course most know neither event happened.....but for arguments sake say one or the other or both occurred.
Do you think that would give AA the right to assault the son?
Standing in the street, after chasing the victim down, armed, and parked on the on-coming side of the road in the traffic lane.
Still haven’t given the crimeThey only got arrested because of a black racist female that took over the case.. they will be released soon, I hope they sue the black biatchbut they aren't guilty yet. so what?Black guy is violent let me not protect my self lol are you nuts?that's exactly what he did. funny, they see nothing with him trespassing and perhaps robbing that house, but they see everything wrong with a guy in the middle of the street doing absolutely nothing until the blackman runs into him. Again, the black man ran into him intentionally. the Video doesn't lie.not according to the video,,,in it he ran up to the guys and assaulted the son,,,theres no proof he was,,,Stop lying. You have no proof he wasn't out for a jog.well first, that means the man wasn't out for jog, so that's blown up. second you all said there wasn't a crime, well now we know their was. Third, they called the police , fourth, they were attempting to hold him until the cops got there. the blackman spoiled that intended action by struggling for the gun which ended up killing him Again, there is no need to contact police if the intent was to shoot the man.trespassing is a crime. So now you admit he committed a crime.Breaking and entering to steal is a felony. They were trying to slow him down till the police cameI’m saying they know he was stealing they have multiple pictures and videos of it.. are you ok with that?The dude has been breaking in that neighborhood for yearsView attachment 335222nope, you are not describing the video, you are giving a play by play with interpretation. I didn't ask for that. I asked what you see. you still can't answer cause it isn't a good thing for the black man. See, I can see two guys in a truck with a black man hauling ass after them. he looks like the pursuer, and those men are there to defend themselves against him. that's my interpretation. you still don't see the black man running from a distance do you?address the video. you get nothing to assume from the video. what is it you see? I know, and it pisses you off the black man looks guilty of wrestling with the white guy and assaulting him. I get it. it's why it's evidence. you can't imply from a video, the video gives you all you need to know, what happened.well what do you see from the video? why can't you just address the video? I see two guys, one outside the driver door with a weapon, a guy in the truck bed standing up, the truck is stopped and in the middle of one lane, a black man running toward the truck from quite a distance. I also know another vehicle is following the blackman running. I see the black man run toward the driver side of the truck, seems to react to the man with the weapon and runs around to the passenger side of the truck, his path seems to circle to the front of the truck and attacks the man who moved around the driver door. Puts his hands on the weapon, the weapon fires, he continues wrestling with the man and his weapon while punching him in the head, and the weapon goes off again, continues wrestling and punching and while the struggle continues, the weapon goes off one more time hitting the guy who was jogging, he releases the gun and staggers away and falls to the ground. Now you tell me what you see.so from the video you can tell two people are deranged? wow, you're talented. the courts would love you.why would you say that? that isn't what happened. so you should watch the video. it has all the evidence of the incident one needs.First of all the black dude is not normal....he has a mental history, a felony conviction and when he was killed he was in violation of his parole.
Not relevant in any way.
A normal innocent person's reaction to being stalked by men with guns is to get away from them, and then defend themselves if they can't get away.
The dead man acted like any normal innocent person would, like you would in the same situation.
What nonsense you espouse....do you think anyone believes you.
By your standards, if you didn't instantly submit to any gun-wielding person, it would okay to kill you, because you're obviously guilty.
Your standards are clearly stupid and evil.
Ok. Taking only the video. A deranged white guy with a fellow deranged individual in the back both of whom are armed and acting reckless are in the street. They are noticed by a fine upstanding citizen who fearing a mass Murder is taking place attempts to save the lives of his fellow citizens and risking his own life charges the armed lunatic unarmed to save lives.
using only the video and nothing else. Prove I am wrong.
Using only the video with nothing else as you said we had to there is no way to accurately know what happened. There is nothing to say absent any evidence or information from any other source that it did not happen exactly that way. So now what evidence are we going to accept? Just that which helps your narrative? Or all of it which makes your narrative sound as stupid as my description?
Why were the people there? Why were armed men in the middle of the road and blocking the road and circling to cut off the black man jogging? Using only the video, and nothing else. They could have been a lynch mob couldn’t they? Going to kill a black man for sleeping with a white woman?
In the video you can see what happened in a few short seconds of time. You do not get the information that brings context to the events. You don’t get the information that the McMichaels were breaking the law. You do not get the context that Ahmad had entered and left empty handed a house under construction. You do not get the context that the McMichaels saw Ahmad run by and saw nothing else, no criminal activity, and then rushed to get guns and chase him down. You don’t get any context from just the video.
So how you see the video, with no context from anything else, is that two armed white guys in the middle of the street armed and apparently chasing a black guy are attacked. Without any context, that may seem reasonable. I wonder why? I wonder why those guys are there. I wonder what the hell they thought they were doing. I see it and know by Georgia Laws they are breaking the law waving those guns around in public like that. I watch it and know that by Georgia Law, they are in a lot of trouble. Watching nothing but the video, I see a lot of things going on, and Without the context the attack by the black guy is another thing I would wonder about.
The problem is that I have the context. I’ve been reading it a lot. Not just here, but many many other places. And knowing that I have read about the dangers of weapons in public, extensively read about it, long before this, I know that there is a lot of criminal activity in that video.
Here is your problem. You refuse to admit that Georgia law says what it actually says. You don’t want to believe that the White Guys did anything wrong. No matter who tells you they did, no matter how many sources are posted, you just will not consider the fact that these two idiots broke the damned law doing what you wish more people would. If more people did, I’d have my taxes increased in Georgia to afford the new prisons to hold them.
Now, maybe the Brandishing Laws are too narrow, and too restrictive. But for now, that is the law on the books. If we ignore those laws, claiming they are unfair, do we do so for everyone, or just your heroes the McMichaels?
Ok. Now just the video. The very first thing I see is a textbook example of Aggravated Assault by the definition of Georgia law. That is literally the very first thing after a jogger who is being followed and videoed for some reason.
As I said. Many many times. Aggravated Assault is any activity with a weapon that does or can cause injury or death. Running around in the middle of the street with a shotgun after a black guy who is jogging is Aggravated Assault.
I see a struggle. But knowing that the struggle comes after the Felony of Aggravated Assault I know that by Georgia law Self Defense is not an option.
Shall I continue through the shooting?
Now. My opinion is backed up by the charges filed against the folks in the video. But in the video I see an attack carried out by two white guys in a pick up truck against a black guy using Georgia Law as my standard.
Ok help me out. How do I describe the video without interpreting what I am seeing using my education and experience?
Now let’s say the video is of a car going around the corner sideways. I know that shows the car in what is called oversteer or power sliding or drifting. Seeing I know it is illegal on public streets. Apparently all I am allowed to think is car sliding around.
It is our intelligence and experience that allows us to interpret what is going on around us. It is how we can tell at a glance that someone isn’t supposed to have two elbows on the same arm and obviously has broken his arm.
You asked what I saw in the video. What you mean is between 21 seconds and 25 seconds. You do not want us looking before that. You do not want us considering anything after.
It is in a way the same thing we went through with the handicapped parking space shooting in Florida. The video we all watched was supposed to be ignored after the point where the hero was knocked down. We were supposed to ignore the guy backing up before he was shot.
It is interesting how you keep objecting to my description of the events.
Wait. Are you now saying that the video alone is not all the evidence you need?
So now we are down to what they knew. Ok. So now the video is not enough and we need more information. Fine. Is stealing a crime in Georgia? And should the Georgia law apply?
Well one or two little issues. First the house was open so it was not breaking and entering. It was Trespass under Georgia law. Second. There is no evidence that he was actually stealing. No one has come forward even now months later to report anything missing. It is gratifying however to hear you admit there are laws and they should apply.
Now to the intent of the McMichaels. You say detain. There is only one legal way they could detain anyone. That is by Citizens Arrest. Are you saying they were intending to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest until the police arrived?
Many posts ago I explained about Trespassing under Georgia law. I have never denied it. Now you think you have me. So give me a little more rope please.
Were the McMichaels going to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest according to the laws of Georgia?
The last I heard was that the msm is still running with their story the two white guys drove up on the black guy jumped out and assaulted him.....telling such lies should make them liable for some lawsuits..........well we got a lot of internet lawyers on here maybe one of them will enlighten on this matter.
Actually. That is exactly what happened. I know the MSM getting the story right is hard to believe. Perhaps you should view it like the broken clock. It is right twice a day.
You need to know what Georgia Law says. The guy in the middle of the street was committing a felony. It is called Aggravated Assault. It is defined as possessing a weapon and using it in a manner which can or may cause death or injury. It is why the charge was filed against them both. They were not innocent bystanders before the scary black guy attacked. They were criminals. They were committing Felonies to try and catch a guy suspected of a misdemeanor.
No. I am and many other are telling you the law. The law that has seen the McMichaels charged with Aggravated Assault. Nobody is lying to you. The law which the Glynn County Police wanted to apply says what it says.
It is why they were arrested. They were wrong.
Actually they were arrested when a White Guy was in charge. But what are facts for you irrational hatred.
I never said they didn’tthey were arrested because of pressure at the DA's officebut they aren't guilty yet. so what?Black guy is violent let me not protect my self lol are you nuts?that's exactly what he did. funny, they see nothing with him trespassing and perhaps robbing that house, but they see everything wrong with a guy in the middle of the street doing absolutely nothing until the blackman runs into him. Again, the black man ran into him intentionally. the Video doesn't lie.not according to the video,,,in it he ran up to the guys and assaulted the son,,,theres no proof he was,,,Stop lying. You have no proof he wasn't out for a jog.well first, that means the man wasn't out for jog, so that's blown up. second you all said there wasn't a crime, well now we know their was. Third, they called the police , fourth, they were attempting to hold him until the cops got there. the blackman spoiled that intended action by struggling for the gun which ended up killing him Again, there is no need to contact police if the intent was to shoot the man.trespassing is a crime. So now you admit he committed a crime.Breaking and entering to steal is a felony. They were trying to slow him down till the police cameI’m saying they know he was stealing they have multiple pictures and videos of it.. are you ok with that?The dude has been breaking in that neighborhood for yearsView attachment 335222nope, you are not describing the video, you are giving a play by play with interpretation. I didn't ask for that. I asked what you see. you still can't answer cause it isn't a good thing for the black man. See, I can see two guys in a truck with a black man hauling ass after them. he looks like the pursuer, and those men are there to defend themselves against him. that's my interpretation. you still don't see the black man running from a distance do you?address the video. you get nothing to assume from the video. what is it you see? I know, and it pisses you off the black man looks guilty of wrestling with the white guy and assaulting him. I get it. it's why it's evidence. you can't imply from a video, the video gives you all you need to know, what happened.well what do you see from the video? why can't you just address the video? I see two guys, one outside the driver door with a weapon, a guy in the truck bed standing up, the truck is stopped and in the middle of one lane, a black man running toward the truck from quite a distance. I also know another vehicle is following the blackman running. I see the black man run toward the driver side of the truck, seems to react to the man with the weapon and runs around to the passenger side of the truck, his path seems to circle to the front of the truck and attacks the man who moved around the driver door. Puts his hands on the weapon, the weapon fires, he continues wrestling with the man and his weapon while punching him in the head, and the weapon goes off again, continues wrestling and punching and while the struggle continues, the weapon goes off one more time hitting the guy who was jogging, he releases the gun and staggers away and falls to the ground. Now you tell me what you see.so from the video you can tell two people are deranged? wow, you're talented. the courts would love you.why would you say that? that isn't what happened. so you should watch the video. it has all the evidence of the incident one needs.First of all the black dude is not normal....he has a mental history, a felony conviction and when he was killed he was in violation of his parole.
Not relevant in any way.
A normal innocent person's reaction to being stalked by men with guns is to get away from them, and then defend themselves if they can't get away.
The dead man acted like any normal innocent person would, like you would in the same situation.
What nonsense you espouse....do you think anyone believes you.
By your standards, if you didn't instantly submit to any gun-wielding person, it would okay to kill you, because you're obviously guilty.
Your standards are clearly stupid and evil.
Ok. Taking only the video. A deranged white guy with a fellow deranged individual in the back both of whom are armed and acting reckless are in the street. They are noticed by a fine upstanding citizen who fearing a mass Murder is taking place attempts to save the lives of his fellow citizens and risking his own life charges the armed lunatic unarmed to save lives.
using only the video and nothing else. Prove I am wrong.
Using only the video with nothing else as you said we had to there is no way to accurately know what happened. There is nothing to say absent any evidence or information from any other source that it did not happen exactly that way. So now what evidence are we going to accept? Just that which helps your narrative? Or all of it which makes your narrative sound as stupid as my description?
Why were the people there? Why were armed men in the middle of the road and blocking the road and circling to cut off the black man jogging? Using only the video, and nothing else. They could have been a lynch mob couldn’t they? Going to kill a black man for sleeping with a white woman?
In the video you can see what happened in a few short seconds of time. You do not get the information that brings context to the events. You don’t get the information that the McMichaels were breaking the law. You do not get the context that Ahmad had entered and left empty handed a house under construction. You do not get the context that the McMichaels saw Ahmad run by and saw nothing else, no criminal activity, and then rushed to get guns and chase him down. You don’t get any context from just the video.
So how you see the video, with no context from anything else, is that two armed white guys in the middle of the street armed and apparently chasing a black guy are attacked. Without any context, that may seem reasonable. I wonder why? I wonder why those guys are there. I wonder what the hell they thought they were doing. I see it and know by Georgia Laws they are breaking the law waving those guns around in public like that. I watch it and know that by Georgia Law, they are in a lot of trouble. Watching nothing but the video, I see a lot of things going on, and Without the context the attack by the black guy is another thing I would wonder about.
The problem is that I have the context. I’ve been reading it a lot. Not just here, but many many other places. And knowing that I have read about the dangers of weapons in public, extensively read about it, long before this, I know that there is a lot of criminal activity in that video.
Here is your problem. You refuse to admit that Georgia law says what it actually says. You don’t want to believe that the White Guys did anything wrong. No matter who tells you they did, no matter how many sources are posted, you just will not consider the fact that these two idiots broke the damned law doing what you wish more people would. If more people did, I’d have my taxes increased in Georgia to afford the new prisons to hold them.
Now, maybe the Brandishing Laws are too narrow, and too restrictive. But for now, that is the law on the books. If we ignore those laws, claiming they are unfair, do we do so for everyone, or just your heroes the McMichaels?
Ok. Now just the video. The very first thing I see is a textbook example of Aggravated Assault by the definition of Georgia law. That is literally the very first thing after a jogger who is being followed and videoed for some reason.
As I said. Many many times. Aggravated Assault is any activity with a weapon that does or can cause injury or death. Running around in the middle of the street with a shotgun after a black guy who is jogging is Aggravated Assault.
I see a struggle. But knowing that the struggle comes after the Felony of Aggravated Assault I know that by Georgia law Self Defense is not an option.
Shall I continue through the shooting?
Now. My opinion is backed up by the charges filed against the folks in the video. But in the video I see an attack carried out by two white guys in a pick up truck against a black guy using Georgia Law as my standard.
Ok help me out. How do I describe the video without interpreting what I am seeing using my education and experience?
Now let’s say the video is of a car going around the corner sideways. I know that shows the car in what is called oversteer or power sliding or drifting. Seeing I know it is illegal on public streets. Apparently all I am allowed to think is car sliding around.
It is our intelligence and experience that allows us to interpret what is going on around us. It is how we can tell at a glance that someone isn’t supposed to have two elbows on the same arm and obviously has broken his arm.
You asked what I saw in the video. What you mean is between 21 seconds and 25 seconds. You do not want us looking before that. You do not want us considering anything after.
It is in a way the same thing we went through with the handicapped parking space shooting in Florida. The video we all watched was supposed to be ignored after the point where the hero was knocked down. We were supposed to ignore the guy backing up before he was shot.
It is interesting how you keep objecting to my description of the events.
Wait. Are you now saying that the video alone is not all the evidence you need?
So now we are down to what they knew. Ok. So now the video is not enough and we need more information. Fine. Is stealing a crime in Georgia? And should the Georgia law apply?
Well one or two little issues. First the house was open so it was not breaking and entering. It was Trespass under Georgia law. Second. There is no evidence that he was actually stealing. No one has come forward even now months later to report anything missing. It is gratifying however to hear you admit there are laws and they should apply.
Now to the intent of the McMichaels. You say detain. There is only one legal way they could detain anyone. That is by Citizens Arrest. Are you saying they were intending to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest until the police arrived?
Many posts ago I explained about Trespassing under Georgia law. I have never denied it. Now you think you have me. So give me a little more rope please.
Were the McMichaels going to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest according to the laws of Georgia?
The last I heard was that the msm is still running with their story the two white guys drove up on the black guy jumped out and assaulted him.....telling such lies should make them liable for some lawsuits..........well we got a lot of internet lawyers on here maybe one of them will enlighten on this matter.
Actually. That is exactly what happened. I know the MSM getting the story right is hard to believe. Perhaps you should view it like the broken clock. It is right twice a day.
You need to know what Georgia Law says. The guy in the middle of the street was committing a felony. It is called Aggravated Assault. It is defined as possessing a weapon and using it in a manner which can or may cause death or injury. It is why the charge was filed against them both. They were not innocent bystanders before the scary black guy attacked. They were criminals. They were committing Felonies to try and catch a guy suspected of a misdemeanor.
No. I am and many other are telling you the law. The law that has seen the McMichaels charged with Aggravated Assault. Nobody is lying to you. The law which the Glynn County Police wanted to apply says what it says.
It is why they were arrested. They were wrong.
They were arrested by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI). You are wrong again.
They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.Miscarriage of justice,, poor guys are being lynched by democratsFacts of this case......a father and son associated with law enforcement and never in trouble of any kind, never arrested for anything but are called criminals by the liberals
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The black jogger............who comidtted a felony (brought a gun to school) was convicted placed on 5 yrs probation.
The he engaged in theft thus violating his probation.....but nothing was done...he should have been in jail. If he had been where he belonged he would still be alive.
Yet the liberals want us to believe he is just so innocent...he ranks right up there with Mother Teresa
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Then just like the the Zimmerman case the media plays games with photos..........show the best possible photo of the black dude they could find......but show the white dudes in their jail outfit.
Keep tuned this case is getting crazier by the second.
Latest development....video emerges of the black dude visiting that same home at night....what is that all about? Did he have some sort of obsession with that house....maybe Satan lured him there...as in the devil made him do it???
And the Earth is Flat. We faked the moon landing. Artificial Sweeteners are good for you, and Anna Nicole married for Love. Any other insane conspiracy theories you believe in besides these?
It is serious, and the men are being treated fairly. I will absolutely object if they are denied any of their civil rights. Just as I have in the past when anyone is deprived of their rights.
In many ways, you are just as bad as a far left loony Liberal. They hate the Second Amendment, and want to pretend the words do not mean what they clearly say, and what the founders obviously intended. They try to claim that the Second Amendment only applies to the Army or National Guard. As if you would ever need a Constitutional Amendment that the Military Should have weapons to fight a war. No matter what you say, they will not shift from that stance. No matter how much contextual evidence you provide showing that the Founders really meant everyone, those loony leftists just will not admit it.
You are exactly the same. Link after link. Post after post. You refuse to admit your heroes did anything wrong. Legal Experts, Lawyers, Cops, and a host of others who have studied the matter tell you that your position is untenable based upon facts and evidence. Yet you persist. Obstinate to the extreme.
It is absolutely serious. The fate of the White Race does not rest upon it. The ability of gun owners to possess and utilize their weapons in case of life or death emergencies will not be affected. But it is absolutely serious.
I’ll even go one further on you regarding fairness. Just as I have objected to police misconduct in the past, if it arises in this case, clear misconduct, like Cops planting evidence, withholding evidence from the defense, or lying under oath, I will object. Because again, my loyalty is to the Constitution, the nation, and the truth.
Truth must be based upon facts. Imagine Facts as the dots with numbers on them for those draw a picture things we did as children, and kids today do on their computers or iPads. The truth is the lines that connect those facts. The truth is those two men committed crimes.
I have said before that yes, Ahmad did Trespass. But as I pointed out many times, there are limits in the law as to who can press charges, and that means who can place an individual under arrest, for that crime. The law, which must be based upon the Constitution, is clear. The Law which derives it’s authority from the Constitution must be fair. It must apply to all equally.
Yes, it is most serious. And now, we are moving forward. In a year or so, there will be a trial. And I will watch it to see if the Police committed any Misconduct as they did with Bundy, and many others. If they did, I will expect and argue that the McMichaels should go free. Not because they are innocent of the charges, but because of the misconduct. The same way I argue always.
But if you had read those links, you would have a better idea of what probably happened. I say probably, because here the dots the truth is connecting are very faint. But it seems likely. Again, it does not bode well for the Defense of those two men.
We are a nation of laws. We define right and wrong that way. We punish those who do wrong, in a proportional manner, based upon the evidence in each case. In this case, the evidence released so far is very damaging to the McMichaels. Not because they are White. Not because the Victim was Black. But because the evidence says what you desperately refuse to admit it says.
The law says what it says. It isn’t new. This isn’t the first case where a new law is being tested. This is the same law that has been applied many thousands of times. And the McMichaels broke that law. In my and pretty much every legal field experts opinion. Now, I expect the Prosecution to follow the rules, and obey the law, and insure that the McMichaels are tried fairly. I said before, and I will repeat this. I sincerely hope that they get a different lawyer. Because the one they have, is not good for them.
If they were in Savannah, and this was 25 years ago, I would have suggested Sonny Seiler. Sonny could probably get them off. At least a Hung Jury. But it is going to take a smart legal mind to defend them. Not from the unfair charges, but from the fair charges that they earned.
You need to stop screaming it is a set up or all bullshit. It isn’t. If you really want to help them, you should start collecting money for their legal defense. They are going to need a really good legal team. Otherwise they are going to go to Georgia’s Prison system, which is an abomination by any stretch of the imagination. In my opinion, it is a disgrace, but I am one person and my single voice is lost on that issue.
Seriously. Stomping your foot and swearing that the sun rises in the West is not going to help them. Cough up some cash for their defense. They are going to need a million dollars if they go to trial. There is one way a Retired Cop could afford that, but I doubt that even the most corrupt cop in Glynn County could skim that much cash and still have any of it left.
You spew a lot of verbiage which has no relevance to this case.....you go on and on about that they had no legal right to coduct a citizens arrest...I posted the Georgia Law which contradicts what you claim.
And again....it really is not relevant...because they did not make an arrest nor did they attempt to make an arrest....you have no evidence whatsoever they arrested the blackjogger or attempted to arrest the black jogger.
The father was a former policemen and he knew how to make an arrest if he had desired to do so...no such event occurred...though you dishonestly keep implying it did.
In the video you can see the so called black jogger running down the street towards the men and their truck....they are far ahead of him and the truck is parked...the door on the left side is open...the son is outside the truick to the left and slightly to the front....the father is in the bed of the truck and never gets out until the incident is over.
In the video posted numereous times and which you have no excuse not to have watched ....you make no comments on it...why is that?
Anyhow....in the video you see the so called black jogger run up to the truck and then go around the right side of it.....he is not restrained in any way...and there is plenty of room for him to get around the truck which he did and thus he could have continued jogging on down the street...nothing to restrain him or detain him....he did not have handcuffs on either.......yet instead of jogging on down the street he quickly veered to the left and attacked the white dude with the shotgun....they scuffled for control of the weapon....3 shots were fired during this struggle and ultimately the so called black jogger....jogs no more but collapses and dies.
Do you dispute any of that? Did you watch the video?
Still haven’t given the crimeThey only got arrested because of a black racist female that took over the case.. they will be released soon, I hope they sue the black biatchbut they aren't guilty yet. so what?Black guy is violent let me not protect my self lol are you nuts?that's exactly what he did. funny, they see nothing with him trespassing and perhaps robbing that house, but they see everything wrong with a guy in the middle of the street doing absolutely nothing until the blackman runs into him. Again, the black man ran into him intentionally. the Video doesn't lie.not according to the video,,,in it he ran up to the guys and assaulted the son,,,theres no proof he was,,,Stop lying. You have no proof he wasn't out for a jog.well first, that means the man wasn't out for jog, so that's blown up. second you all said there wasn't a crime, well now we know their was. Third, they called the police , fourth, they were attempting to hold him until the cops got there. the blackman spoiled that intended action by struggling for the gun which ended up killing him Again, there is no need to contact police if the intent was to shoot the man.trespassing is a crime. So now you admit he committed a crime.Breaking and entering to steal is a felony. They were trying to slow him down till the police cameI’m saying they know he was stealing they have multiple pictures and videos of it.. are you ok with that?The dude has been breaking in that neighborhood for yearsView attachment 335222nope, you are not describing the video, you are giving a play by play with interpretation. I didn't ask for that. I asked what you see. you still can't answer cause it isn't a good thing for the black man. See, I can see two guys in a truck with a black man hauling ass after them. he looks like the pursuer, and those men are there to defend themselves against him. that's my interpretation. you still don't see the black man running from a distance do you?address the video. you get nothing to assume from the video. what is it you see? I know, and it pisses you off the black man looks guilty of wrestling with the white guy and assaulting him. I get it. it's why it's evidence. you can't imply from a video, the video gives you all you need to know, what happened.well what do you see from the video? why can't you just address the video? I see two guys, one outside the driver door with a weapon, a guy in the truck bed standing up, the truck is stopped and in the middle of one lane, a black man running toward the truck from quite a distance. I also know another vehicle is following the blackman running. I see the black man run toward the driver side of the truck, seems to react to the man with the weapon and runs around to the passenger side of the truck, his path seems to circle to the front of the truck and attacks the man who moved around the driver door. Puts his hands on the weapon, the weapon fires, he continues wrestling with the man and his weapon while punching him in the head, and the weapon goes off again, continues wrestling and punching and while the struggle continues, the weapon goes off one more time hitting the guy who was jogging, he releases the gun and staggers away and falls to the ground. Now you tell me what you see.so from the video you can tell two people are deranged? wow, you're talented. the courts would love you.why would you say that? that isn't what happened. so you should watch the video. it has all the evidence of the incident one needs.First of all the black dude is not normal....he has a mental history, a felony conviction and when he was killed he was in violation of his parole.
Not relevant in any way.
A normal innocent person's reaction to being stalked by men with guns is to get away from them, and then defend themselves if they can't get away.
The dead man acted like any normal innocent person would, like you would in the same situation.
What nonsense you espouse....do you think anyone believes you.
By your standards, if you didn't instantly submit to any gun-wielding person, it would okay to kill you, because you're obviously guilty.
Your standards are clearly stupid and evil.
Ok. Taking only the video. A deranged white guy with a fellow deranged individual in the back both of whom are armed and acting reckless are in the street. They are noticed by a fine upstanding citizen who fearing a mass Murder is taking place attempts to save the lives of his fellow citizens and risking his own life charges the armed lunatic unarmed to save lives.
using only the video and nothing else. Prove I am wrong.
Using only the video with nothing else as you said we had to there is no way to accurately know what happened. There is nothing to say absent any evidence or information from any other source that it did not happen exactly that way. So now what evidence are we going to accept? Just that which helps your narrative? Or all of it which makes your narrative sound as stupid as my description?
Why were the people there? Why were armed men in the middle of the road and blocking the road and circling to cut off the black man jogging? Using only the video, and nothing else. They could have been a lynch mob couldn’t they? Going to kill a black man for sleeping with a white woman?
In the video you can see what happened in a few short seconds of time. You do not get the information that brings context to the events. You don’t get the information that the McMichaels were breaking the law. You do not get the context that Ahmad had entered and left empty handed a house under construction. You do not get the context that the McMichaels saw Ahmad run by and saw nothing else, no criminal activity, and then rushed to get guns and chase him down. You don’t get any context from just the video.
So how you see the video, with no context from anything else, is that two armed white guys in the middle of the street armed and apparently chasing a black guy are attacked. Without any context, that may seem reasonable. I wonder why? I wonder why those guys are there. I wonder what the hell they thought they were doing. I see it and know by Georgia Laws they are breaking the law waving those guns around in public like that. I watch it and know that by Georgia Law, they are in a lot of trouble. Watching nothing but the video, I see a lot of things going on, and Without the context the attack by the black guy is another thing I would wonder about.
The problem is that I have the context. I’ve been reading it a lot. Not just here, but many many other places. And knowing that I have read about the dangers of weapons in public, extensively read about it, long before this, I know that there is a lot of criminal activity in that video.
Here is your problem. You refuse to admit that Georgia law says what it actually says. You don’t want to believe that the White Guys did anything wrong. No matter who tells you they did, no matter how many sources are posted, you just will not consider the fact that these two idiots broke the damned law doing what you wish more people would. If more people did, I’d have my taxes increased in Georgia to afford the new prisons to hold them.
Now, maybe the Brandishing Laws are too narrow, and too restrictive. But for now, that is the law on the books. If we ignore those laws, claiming they are unfair, do we do so for everyone, or just your heroes the McMichaels?
Ok. Now just the video. The very first thing I see is a textbook example of Aggravated Assault by the definition of Georgia law. That is literally the very first thing after a jogger who is being followed and videoed for some reason.
As I said. Many many times. Aggravated Assault is any activity with a weapon that does or can cause injury or death. Running around in the middle of the street with a shotgun after a black guy who is jogging is Aggravated Assault.
I see a struggle. But knowing that the struggle comes after the Felony of Aggravated Assault I know that by Georgia law Self Defense is not an option.
Shall I continue through the shooting?
Now. My opinion is backed up by the charges filed against the folks in the video. But in the video I see an attack carried out by two white guys in a pick up truck against a black guy using Georgia Law as my standard.
Ok help me out. How do I describe the video without interpreting what I am seeing using my education and experience?
Now let’s say the video is of a car going around the corner sideways. I know that shows the car in what is called oversteer or power sliding or drifting. Seeing I know it is illegal on public streets. Apparently all I am allowed to think is car sliding around.
It is our intelligence and experience that allows us to interpret what is going on around us. It is how we can tell at a glance that someone isn’t supposed to have two elbows on the same arm and obviously has broken his arm.
You asked what I saw in the video. What you mean is between 21 seconds and 25 seconds. You do not want us looking before that. You do not want us considering anything after.
It is in a way the same thing we went through with the handicapped parking space shooting in Florida. The video we all watched was supposed to be ignored after the point where the hero was knocked down. We were supposed to ignore the guy backing up before he was shot.
It is interesting how you keep objecting to my description of the events.
Wait. Are you now saying that the video alone is not all the evidence you need?
So now we are down to what they knew. Ok. So now the video is not enough and we need more information. Fine. Is stealing a crime in Georgia? And should the Georgia law apply?
Well one or two little issues. First the house was open so it was not breaking and entering. It was Trespass under Georgia law. Second. There is no evidence that he was actually stealing. No one has come forward even now months later to report anything missing. It is gratifying however to hear you admit there are laws and they should apply.
Now to the intent of the McMichaels. You say detain. There is only one legal way they could detain anyone. That is by Citizens Arrest. Are you saying they were intending to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest until the police arrived?
Many posts ago I explained about Trespassing under Georgia law. I have never denied it. Now you think you have me. So give me a little more rope please.
Were the McMichaels going to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest according to the laws of Georgia?
The last I heard was that the msm is still running with their story the two white guys drove up on the black guy jumped out and assaulted him.....telling such lies should make them liable for some lawsuits..........well we got a lot of internet lawyers on here maybe one of them will enlighten on this matter.
Actually. That is exactly what happened. I know the MSM getting the story right is hard to believe. Perhaps you should view it like the broken clock. It is right twice a day.
You need to know what Georgia Law says. The guy in the middle of the street was committing a felony. It is called Aggravated Assault. It is defined as possessing a weapon and using it in a manner which can or may cause death or injury. It is why the charge was filed against them both. They were not innocent bystanders before the scary black guy attacked. They were criminals. They were committing Felonies to try and catch a guy suspected of a misdemeanor.
No. I am and many other are telling you the law. The law that has seen the McMichaels charged with Aggravated Assault. Nobody is lying to you. The law which the Glynn County Police wanted to apply says what it says.
It is why they were arrested. They were wrong.
Actually they were arrested when a White Guy was in charge. But what are facts for you irrational hatred.
I see him jogging in this video up until he reaches the truck. Who knows what you see differently?I thought he was running away from the rednecks???it hasnt been proven he was a jogger
What authority will tell us if he is a walker, jogger, skipper, runner? I see a video and I see a young man jogging until he gets shot dead by a shooter.
What is the proper white extremist adjective for jogging while black?
‘Musta stole sumthin!!!
and not a single person has come forward and said they saw him jogging,,only running away from an empty house that he walked up to,,,
"jogging"
LOL
Watch the video... not a single running step taken before breaking into property.
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You mean in the 30 feet leading up to the driveway? That's your evidence he wasn't jogging? How does that reveal what he was doing prior to entering the frame of that video?
sure doesnt mean he was jogging,,,
has anyone come forward and say they saw him jogging???
Yes, anybody with a functioning brain who watched the video with him jogging.
do you know the difference between jogging and running from something???
distance,,
so did anyone see him jogging outside of what we see in the videos???
From what was he running?
if you dont already know you need to educate yourself or shut up,,,
LOLOL
Putz, he wasn't running from anything.
Why are you so beyond unreasonable? Are you insane?
They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.
I see him jogging in this video up until he reaches the truck. Who knows what you see differently?I thought he was running away from the rednecks???it hasnt been proven he was a jogger
What authority will tell us if he is a walker, jogger, skipper, runner? I see a video and I see a young man jogging until he gets shot dead by a shooter.
What is the proper white extremist adjective for jogging while black?
‘Musta stole sumthin!!!
and not a single person has come forward and said they saw him jogging,,only running away from an empty house that he walked up to,,,
"jogging"
LOL
Watch the video... not a single running step taken before breaking into property.
View attachment 335319
You mean in the 30 feet leading up to the driveway? That's your evidence he wasn't jogging? How does that reveal what he was doing prior to entering the frame of that video?
sure doesnt mean he was jogging,,,
has anyone come forward and say they saw him jogging???
Yes, anybody with a functioning brain who watched the video with him jogging.
do you know the difference between jogging and running from something???
distance,,
so did anyone see him jogging outside of what we see in the videos???
From what was he running?
if you dont already know you need to educate yourself or shut up,,,
LOLOL
Putz, he wasn't running from anything.
Why are you so beyond unreasonable? Are you insane?
They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.
They did everything wrong when they decided to use lethal force to attempt to detain a burglary suspect who could not have stolen what would be of significance from an open unlocked structure. Use of lethal force against an alleged construction site thief is not only unreasonable it is absurd.
In Georgia referring to Citizens Arrest: “What courts have interpreted it to mean is that you can only use the amount of force that’s reasonable to detain a person under the circumstances,” Bowen said.
Breaking down Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law
The McMichael’s told police they were attempting to make a citizen’s arrest. News 3 is looking at Georgia’s laws. Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law allows people to arres…www.google.com
It was unreasonable for two alleged good citizens to take a life over a pocket full of stolen nails or nothing stolen at all.,
So it is not unreasonable for murderers to pay for the unreasonable crime they chose to commit.
There is never an ounce of reasonableness coming off the keyboards of white extremists.
Anyhow....in the video you see the so called black jogger run up to the truck and then go around the right side of it.....he is not restrained in any way...and there is plenty of room for him to get around the truck which he did and thus he could have continued jogging on down the street...nothing to restrain him or detain him....he did not have handcuffs on either.......yet instead of jogging on down the street he quickly veered to the left and attacked the white dude with the shotgun....they scuffled for control of the weapon....3 shots were fired during this struggle and ultimately the so called black jogger....jogs no more but collapses and dies.
Do you dispute any of that? Did you watch the video?
I see him jogging in this video up until he reaches the truck. Who knows what you see differently?I thought he was running away from the rednecks???it hasnt been proven he was a jogger
What authority will tell us if he is a walker, jogger, skipper, runner? I see a video and I see a young man jogging until he gets shot dead by a shooter.
What is the proper white extremist adjective for jogging while black?
‘Musta stole sumthin!!!
and not a single person has come forward and said they saw him jogging,,only running away from an empty house that he walked up to,,,
"jogging"
LOL
Watch the video... not a single running step taken before breaking into property.
View attachment 335319
You mean in the 30 feet leading up to the driveway? That's your evidence he wasn't jogging? How does that reveal what he was doing prior to entering the frame of that video?
sure doesnt mean he was jogging,,,
has anyone come forward and say they saw him jogging???
Yes, anybody with a functioning brain who watched the video with him jogging.
do you know the difference between jogging and running from something???
distance,,
so did anyone see him jogging outside of what we see in the videos???
From what was he running?
if you dont already know you need to educate yourself or shut up,,,
LOLOL
Putz, he wasn't running from anything.
Why are you so beyond unreasonable? Are you insane?
They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.
They did everything wrong when they decided to use lethal force to attempt to detain a burglary suspect who could not have stolen what would be of significance from an open unlocked structure. Use of lethal force against an alleged construction site thief is not only unreasonable it is absurd.
In Georgia referring to Citizens Arrest: “What courts have interpreted it to mean is that you can only use the amount of force that’s reasonable to detain a person under the circumstances,” Bowen said.
Breaking down Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law
The McMichael’s told police they were attempting to make a citizen’s arrest. News 3 is looking at Georgia’s laws. Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law allows people to arres…www.google.com
It was unreasonable for two alleged good citizens to take a life over a pocket full of stolen nails or nothing stolen at all.,
So it is not unreasonable for murderers to pay for the unreasonable crime they chose to commit.
There is never an ounce of reasonableness coming off the keyboards of white extremists.
I see him jogging in this video up until he reaches the truck. Who knows what you see differently?I thought he was running away from the rednecks???it hasnt been proven he was a jogger
What authority will tell us if he is a walker, jogger, skipper, runner? I see a video and I see a young man jogging until he gets shot dead by a shooter.
What is the proper white extremist adjective for jogging while black?
‘Musta stole sumthin!!!
and not a single person has come forward and said they saw him jogging,,only running away from an empty house that he walked up to,,,
"jogging"
LOL
Watch the video... not a single running step taken before breaking into property.
View attachment 335319
You mean in the 30 feet leading up to the driveway? That's your evidence he wasn't jogging? How does that reveal what he was doing prior to entering the frame of that video?
sure doesnt mean he was jogging,,,
has anyone come forward and say they saw him jogging???
Yes, anybody with a functioning brain who watched the video with him jogging.
do you know the difference between jogging and running from something???
distance,,
so did anyone see him jogging outside of what we see in the videos???
From what was he running?
if you dont already know you need to educate yourself or shut up,,,
LOLOL
Putz, he wasn't running from anything.
Why are you so beyond unreasonable? Are you insane?
They did nothing wrong, if you stop pretending the black did nothing wrong it might dawn on you that this is serious. These men deserve to be treated fairly. Just stop pretending this kid did nothing wrong it insane.
They did everything wrong when they decided to use lethal force to attempt to detain a burglary suspect who could not have stolen what would be of significance from an open unlocked structure. Use of lethal force against an alleged construction site thief is not only unreasonable it is absurd.
In Georgia referring to Citizens Arrest: “What courts have interpreted it to mean is that you can only use the amount of force that’s reasonable to detain a person under the circumstances,” Bowen said.
Breaking down Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law
The McMichael’s told police they were attempting to make a citizen’s arrest. News 3 is looking at Georgia’s laws. Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law allows people to arres…www.google.com
It was unreasonable for two alleged good citizens to take a life over a pocket full of stolen nails or nothing stolen at all.,
So it is not unreasonable for murderers to pay for the unreasonable crime they chose to commit.
There is never an ounce of reasonableness coming off the keyboards of white extremists.
Is your analytical aka reasoning skills really that bad or are you just being obstinate?
The black dude killed himself....what did he think would happen when he charged and attacked a guy with a shotgun?
What is there about that you cannot wrap your head around?
You will probably come with something oh...if those two rednecks had stayed home none of this would happen.
Those rednecks cared about their community....wanted to protect it...wanted to make sure the black dude was checked out...to see if he was a threat to the community or not.
The black dude was not restrained in any way...he could have kept right on joggin down that road...instead he veered left committed a violent assault and whilst trying to wrest the weapon away got killed....thus he has no one to blame but himself.
