Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[P@triot]

Governments with more centrally planned economies...

...experience stagnant economies at best and total economic collapse at worse.

There. Fixed it for ya. Parasite.

 

[Zorro!]

Governments with more centrally planned economies...

...experience stagnant economies at best and total economic collapse at worse.

There. Fixed it for ya. Parasite.

They hate us for our Freedom and Liberty that prevents them from micromanaging every element of our lives.

They'd be much happier if they minded their own business!​

 

[P@triot]

wV white boy???!!

The left is obsessed with skin color. It’s all they see. It’s all they focus on. It’s all they talk about. Racist much, Ph3iron?

 

[P@triot]

There's one bright side - now we can just imitate China's examples .

Like all leftist idiots, Angelo fawns all over oppressive communist regimes.

Ironic isn't it ? They used to steal our ideas, but we got stupider as they got smarter.

We got “stupider” because of imbeciles such as yourself, who believe George W. Bush wired the WTC towers for demolition.

What you get when your government doesn't sell out to the military industrial complex.

Yeah...because communist China doesn’t have the second largest military in the world. Damn are you dumb,

 

[P@triot]

But , basically the GND is a blueprint ( subject to change) for a general shift toward renewables....it won't be a big carbon tax or ending air flight as we know it,.

Basically, the “Green New Deal” is for imbeciles like Angelo. It called for the complete and total elimination of all fossil fuels immediately. That would “end air flight”, dumb ass.

Why am I not surprised you would buy into the hilarious “Global Warming” conspiracy? You were dumb enough to swallow every other idiotic conspiracy.

 

[P@triot]

There's one bright side - now we can just imitate China's examples . Ironic isn't it ? They used to steal our ideas, but we got stupider as they got smarter.

What you get when your government doesn't sell out to the military industrial complex.

Yes, it is definitely “ironic”. Listening to you fawn all over China while bashing your own government 24x7 - when China would execute you for doing that - is the epitome of irony. It’s so thick, you could cut it with a knife.

 

[P@triot]

I think I'm actually agreeing with you in this thread. Socialism and fascism is a natural pairing.

It’s not a “pairing”. It’s two sides of the exact same coin. They are the same damn ideology: totalitarianism.

Government controls everything.

 

[P@triot]

Greed is the cancer killing this country.

• Nearly 40 million people are living in poverty in America.

This is what poverty looks like in the US right now

And? So?

1. That means there are 10 million imbeciles (such as yourself) who are too lazy, incompetent, etc. to take care of their business. They are so inept, they even had children when they were incapable of properly caring for them (hence the poverty and the additional 30 million).

2. 100% of people live in extreme poverty in Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia, etc. 40 million in America is a paltry 12%. That means 88% are flourishing. Dumb ass.

 

[P@triot]

The ONLY thing worse than Communism is Libertarianism. Libertarian Individualism is incredibly weak & meek. It's easily infiltrated by foreigners, due to lax border security, lax military, treat everybody as individuals.

(Psst...stupid...everybody is an “individual”. Literally.)

 

[P@triot]

Furthermore, any enemy country can destroy a Libertarian country, through weaponizing Collectivist invader immigrants, or by opening up shop & shoving Collectivism down everyones throats like AHEM our media, Facebook, Google and Hollywood do.

You mean like, ahem, you are doing?

Yes folks, he really is that stupid. The imbecile railing against “individualism” and screaming about the “strength” of collectivism is actually crying that social media “shoves collectivism down everyone’s throats”.

Like all idiot communists, he’s not happy with collectivism unless he is the one controlling it all.

 

[P@triot]

Collectivism equates to working together for goals.

No imbecile, it doesn’t. If it did, every communist state in the world wouldn’t have thrived rather than collapsing. Collectivism equates to the useless and lazy (you) mooching off of the useful and productive (me). That demoralizes the producers until they finally give up in despair and join useless and lazy.

 

[P@triot]

Collectivism is group mentality to get things done...

Things like, killing 11 million Jews. Followed by killing anyone wealthy. Followed by killing anyone who criticizes the killings.

imagine thinking that the mob mentality is a good thing.

 

[danielpalos]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

What happened, is that we allowed Socialism, and Centralization of Banking.

The IRS, and the Newly Created Federal Reserve took control of our Economy and intentionally caused The Great Depression so they could confiscate The Wealth of America and destroy Private Banks, so your bullshit post, actually illustrates the danger of Socialism and the danger of a Centralized Government and Centralized Control of an economy.

Overnight we went from a Cash Hard Asset Economy to a Debt Credit Economy with the Debt being owed to The Federal Reserve and their Thugs, The IRS.

But all Socialists are Idiots, and not really all that useful, so no surprise you got this wrong.

Take Stalin's Dirty underwear out of your mouth.

BTW, the reason JFK was assassinated was because he wanted to give control of our money supply back to a Constitutional Entity called The Treasury, and remove it from an Unconstitutional Organization called The Federal Reserve.

Federal Reserve Notes are Private Bank Notes and Instruments of Debt. Every time you use one, you are taking out a loan from The Federal Reserve payable in Future Tax Dollars. The Federal Reserve charges The American People Interest for using their Bank Notes.

We should abolish The Federal Reserve.

Only Treasury Notes, Gold, and Silver are Constitutional Currency.

Socialism is also about equality and equal protection of the laws. Capitalism is about "inequality on a for-profit basis".

Equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States can mean more equality since any adult will be able to save for up for an attorney to help enforce their rights, even on unemployment compensation.

 

[miketx]

wV white boy???!!

The left is obsessed with skin color. It’s all they see. It’s all they focus on. It’s all they talk about. Racist much, Ph3iron?

Don't forget faggots, they obsess about them too.

 

[dblack]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

What happened, is that we allowed Socialism, and Centralization of Banking.

The IRS, and the Newly Created Federal Reserve took control of our Economy and intentionally caused The Great Depression so they could confiscate The Wealth of America and destroy Private Banks, so your bullshit post, actually illustrates the danger of Socialism and the danger of a Centralized Government and Centralized Control of an economy.

Overnight we went from a Cash Hard Asset Economy to a Debt Credit Economy with the Debt being owed to The Federal Reserve and their Thugs, The IRS.

But all Socialists are Idiots, and not really all that useful, so no surprise you got this wrong.

Take Stalin's Dirty underwear out of your mouth.

BTW, the reason JFK was assassinated was because he wanted to give control of our money supply back to a Constitutional Entity called The Treasury, and remove it from an Unconstitutional Organization called The Federal Reserve.

Federal Reserve Notes are Private Bank Notes and Instruments of Debt. Every time you use one, you are taking out a loan from The Federal Reserve payable in Future Tax Dollars. The Federal Reserve charges The American People Interest for using their Bank Notes.

We should abolish The Federal Reserve.

Only Treasury Notes, Gold, and Silver are Constitutional Currency.

Socialism is also about equality and equal protection of the laws.

Nope. Socialism is the theory that the means of production (ie people) should be controlled by government. Period. Now do your dance and pretend it's something else. But know that you're lying.

 

[danielpalos]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

What happened, is that we allowed Socialism, and Centralization of Banking.

The IRS, and the Newly Created Federal Reserve took control of our Economy and intentionally caused The Great Depression so they could confiscate The Wealth of America and destroy Private Banks, so your bullshit post, actually illustrates the danger of Socialism and the danger of a Centralized Government and Centralized Control of an economy.

Overnight we went from a Cash Hard Asset Economy to a Debt Credit Economy with the Debt being owed to The Federal Reserve and their Thugs, The IRS.

But all Socialists are Idiots, and not really all that useful, so no surprise you got this wrong.

Take Stalin's Dirty underwear out of your mouth.

BTW, the reason JFK was assassinated was because he wanted to give control of our money supply back to a Constitutional Entity called The Treasury, and remove it from an Unconstitutional Organization called The Federal Reserve.

Federal Reserve Notes are Private Bank Notes and Instruments of Debt. Every time you use one, you are taking out a loan from The Federal Reserve payable in Future Tax Dollars. The Federal Reserve charges The American People Interest for using their Bank Notes.

We should abolish The Federal Reserve.

Only Treasury Notes, Gold, and Silver are Constitutional Currency.

Socialism is also about equality and equal protection of the laws.

Nope. Socialism is the theory that the means of production (ie people) should be controlled by government. Period. Now do your dance and pretend it's something else. But know that you're lying.

Or merely special pleading if I only get my understanding of socialism from a dictionary definition. Some of us prefer a more, encyclopaedic understanding the term, style, and concept of Socialism.

 

[dblack]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
View attachment 245504 View attachment 245506 View attachment 245505

To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

What happened, is that we allowed Socialism, and Centralization of Banking.

The IRS, and the Newly Created Federal Reserve took control of our Economy and intentionally caused The Great Depression so they could confiscate The Wealth of America and destroy Private Banks, so your bullshit post, actually illustrates the danger of Socialism and the danger of a Centralized Government and Centralized Control of an economy.

Overnight we went from a Cash Hard Asset Economy to a Debt Credit Economy with the Debt being owed to The Federal Reserve and their Thugs, The IRS.

But all Socialists are Idiots, and not really all that useful, so no surprise you got this wrong.

Take Stalin's Dirty underwear out of your mouth.

BTW, the reason JFK was assassinated was because he wanted to give control of our money supply back to a Constitutional Entity called The Treasury, and remove it from an Unconstitutional Organization called The Federal Reserve.

Federal Reserve Notes are Private Bank Notes and Instruments of Debt. Every time you use one, you are taking out a loan from The Federal Reserve payable in Future Tax Dollars. The Federal Reserve charges The American People Interest for using their Bank Notes.

We should abolish The Federal Reserve.

Only Treasury Notes, Gold, and Silver are Constitutional Currency.

Socialism is also about equality and equal protection of the laws.

Nope. Socialism is the theory that the means of production (ie people) should be controlled by government. Period. Now do your dance and pretend it's something else. But know that you're lying.

Or merely special pleading if I only get my understanding of socialism from a dictionary definition. Some of us prefer a more, encyclopaedic understanding the term, style, and concept of Socialism.

Dancin' and lyin'. Spin it up! Socialism is unicorns and feather beds.

 

[danielpalos]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
View attachment 245504 View attachment 245506 View attachment 245505

To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

What happened, is that we allowed Socialism, and Centralization of Banking.

The IRS, and the Newly Created Federal Reserve took control of our Economy and intentionally caused The Great Depression so they could confiscate The Wealth of America and destroy Private Banks, so your bullshit post, actually illustrates the danger of Socialism and the danger of a Centralized Government and Centralized Control of an economy.

Overnight we went from a Cash Hard Asset Economy to a Debt Credit Economy with the Debt being owed to The Federal Reserve and their Thugs, The IRS.

But all Socialists are Idiots, and not really all that useful, so no surprise you got this wrong.

Take Stalin's Dirty underwear out of your mouth.

BTW, the reason JFK was assassinated was because he wanted to give control of our money supply back to a Constitutional Entity called The Treasury, and remove it from an Unconstitutional Organization called The Federal Reserve.

Federal Reserve Notes are Private Bank Notes and Instruments of Debt. Every time you use one, you are taking out a loan from The Federal Reserve payable in Future Tax Dollars. The Federal Reserve charges The American People Interest for using their Bank Notes.

We should abolish The Federal Reserve.

Only Treasury Notes, Gold, and Silver are Constitutional Currency.

Socialism is also about equality and equal protection of the laws.

Nope. Socialism is the theory that the means of production (ie people) should be controlled by government. Period. Now do your dance and pretend it's something else. But know that you're lying.

Or merely special pleading if I only get my understanding of socialism from a dictionary definition. Some of us prefer a more, encyclopaedic understanding the term, style, and concept of Socialism.

Dancin' and lyin'. Spin it up! Socialism is unicorns and feather beds.

Political jargon from a dictionary invented for the right wing, for the Cold War? Encyclopaedic definitions provide more context and are more comprehensive.

 

[P@triot]

The next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...congratulate them for not being ignorant/uneducated/uninformed about the horrors of socialism like Angelo.

“I love socialism, and I’m willing to die to bring it about” - Jim Jones

The most horrible people in history have supported socialism. And absolutely nothing has done more to advance the human condition than free markets.

How Jim Jones Trapped Followers and Forced 'Suicides'

 

[the other mike]

Mods please move to the Flame Zone where
I can more appropriately deal with the trolls. .