NFL Negotiations Collapse

[Big Fitz]

mmmmkay... you keep telling yourself that. When you look at the history, very few if any teams have won championships based on free agency and ignoring the draft.

Which is part of why I really have very little to no interest in the league as a whole. I haven't watched a game the Redskins aren't part of in over a decade. I haven't watched the Super Bowl since 1992.

As for being no better than NCAA 1, that's just bitterness talking. Even the Detroit Lions at their worst could snuff any Rosebowl Champion because they are made up of the best players that came out of college football at all levels, plus years more experience and discipline. You put up Texas or USC, I'll still take Detroit or any other NFL team.

True, but at least in college the players get schools don't have to worry about a salary cap or revenue sharing. They bring in the big bucks, pay their players under the table, and are actually interested in DECIMATING their opponents on a weekly basis rather than trying to make sure that everyone has an equal chance to win on any given Saturday.

I generally don't watch em either unless the Pack is playing in it.

Your argument for the superiority of college ball, taking into account I've mistakenly watched a few Badgers games, does not win your point very well.

Although I do believe it should be policy to point the shit out of the Bears and Vikings and Cowshits.

 

[Anachronism]

I generally don't watch em either unless the Pack is playing in it.

I don't watch them at all. People will ask if I saw that play in the such and such game... Nope. Didn't watch it.

Your argument for the superiority of college ball, taking into account I've mistakenly watched a few Badgers games, does not win your point very well.

I'm not looking for your agreement or approval on my viewpoint, Fitz.

Although I do believe it should be policy to point the shit out of the Bears and Vikings and Cowshits.

So far as I'm concerned if they're keeping score the idea is to physically, mentally, emotionally, and score-wise dominate, decimate, and destroy your enemy for 60 minutes.

I was never a big fan of Lavar Arrington when he was in DC; but he earned every penny the Redskins paid him with the hit that effectively ended Troy Aikman's career.

 

[rightwinger]

It would help if you could sell out every game like we have since 1980ish or so. We'll take our sold out 74k seats plus luxury boxes in the Mecca of the NFL.

Actually the Redskins DO sell out most of their games (if not all), and even if they don't, a 90% capacity at FedEx is almost 20,000 more attendees than you guys have, so it's not like they're losing revenue.

As for thinly spread talent... we had 19 starters on injured reserve or out for the season this year and still won the superbowl. 32 teams is fine, and yes I've lived through many a lean year and bad drafts as well as good. We mined our talent out of the draft, just like the Steelers did the last few years. Our players stepped up mightily in the last third of the season and run through the playoffs. That has more to do with a culture of stability and trust generated between coaches, staff and players.

You won the Super Bowl in a league that I don't think has even as much value as the NCAA Division I. The NFL is a FARCE these days. The salary cap, revenue sharing, etc.... It's just one big socialist boys club that has no interest in how things SHOULD be done.

I have ABSOLUTELY NO USE for the NFL Draft. I haven't since the advent of free agency. I would rather trade away every pick for proven veterans. I have less than no interest in having ANY rookies on the team. Give me vets every day of the week and at least three times on Sunday. Player and coaches are paid to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. If they don't do it, they need to go, QUICKLY.

Helps that we don't have a nutty owner too. :mrgreen:

Actually I used to like Snyder. He and Al Davis are the only two NFL Owners I've ever had any respect for. Snyder has started to buy into the same BS as every other NFL owner and he's lost pretty much all the respect I had for him in the past.

Redskins are a second tier club and will remain so as long as Snyder is calling the shots.

Albert Hainsworth?

 

[Anachronism]

Redskins are a second tier club and will remain so as long as Snyder is calling the shots.

That's fine. Considering that it seems to require a reliance on the draft and acceptance of this style of play that the NFL now promotes, I'd prefer to see the Redskins go 0-16 while building a team and playing the RIGHT WAY rather than win a Super Bowl doing it the WRONG WAY (aka the way the Patriots, etc... have done it recently)

Albert Haynsworth?

A series of terrible decisions not only be Snyder, but by Bruce Allen and Shanaloser as well in regard to Fat Albert. You'll get no arguements from me on that.

 

[Sheldon]

It would help if you could sell out every game like we have since 1980ish or so. We'll take our sold out 74k seats plus luxury boxes in the Mecca of the NFL.

Actually the Redskins DO sell out most of their games (if not all), and even if they don't, a 90% capacity at FedEx is almost 20,000 more attendees than you guys have, so it's not like they're losing revenue.



You won the Super Bowl in a league that I don't think has even as much value as the NCAA Division I. The NFL is a FARCE these days. The salary cap, revenue sharing, etc.... It's just one big socialist boys club that has no interest in how things SHOULD be done.

I have ABSOLUTELY NO USE for the NFL Draft. I haven't since the advent of free agency. I would rather trade away every pick for proven veterans. I have less than no interest in having ANY rookies on the team. Give me vets every day of the week and at least three times on Sunday. Player and coaches are paid to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. If they don't do it, they need to go, QUICKLY.

Helps that we don't have a nutty owner too. :mrgreen:

Actually I used to like Snyder. He and Al Davis are the only two NFL Owners I've ever had any respect for. Snyder has started to buy into the same BS as every other NFL owner and he's lost pretty much all the respect I had for him in the past.

Redskins are a second tier club and will remain so as long as Snyder is calling the shots.

Albert Hainsworth?

Dan Snyder is an epic, and I mean EPIC, douchebag. He's suing one of the DC area newspapers for libel for publishing what he's claiming is an anti-semitic photo of him--a picture with devil horns drawn on. He can't handle criticism, even though his ham-handedness with the team deserves every ounce of it.

 

[Sheldon]

I think this had to be the low point of the Skin's season:

 

[Anachronism]

Dan Snyder is an epic, and I mean EPIC, douchebag. He's suing one of the DC area newspapers for libel for publishing what he's claiming is an anti-semitic photo of him--a picture with devil horns drawn on. He can't handle criticism, even though his ham-handedness with the team deserves every ounce of it.

That's by no means the only thing he's suing people for. He sued an old lady for failing to make the payments on a seat license a couple years ago.

Whether he's a douchebag or not is irrelevant if he runs the team properly and his team WINS FOOTBALL GAMES. That's the only thing that makes a difference in my mind. Until about 3 years ago I'd have told you that he did run the team the right way. Now that he's brought the new on-field management team (Bruce Allen and Mike Shannahan) in, I would have to suggest he has lost his mind and all the respect I once had for him.

 

[Anachronism]

I think this had to be the low point of the Skin's season:

No, actually it wasn't. The low point of the season was the ENTIRE season, as it has been for the last 19 years.... since long before Snyder bought the team.

 

[Sheldon]

Dan Snyder is an epic, and I mean EPIC, douchebag. He's suing one of the DC area newspapers for libel for publishing what he's claiming is an anti-semitic photo of him--a picture with devil horns drawn on. He can't handle criticism, even though his ham-handedness with the team deserves every ounce of it.

That's by no means the only thing he's suing people for. He sued an old lady for failing to make the payments on a seat license a couple years ago.

Whether he's a douchebag or not is irrelevant if he runs the team properly and his team WINS FOOTBALL GAMES. That's the only thing that makes a difference in my mind. Until about 3 years ago I'd have told you that he did run the team the right way. Now that he's brought the new on-field management team (Bruce Allen and Mike Shannahan) in, I would have to suggest he has lost his mind and all the respect I once had for him.

Well it was really just more of a personal potshot on my part. I think Favre is a douchebag too, but it didn't matter too much when he wasn't throwing interceptions three times a game. You're right that if the Skins can have success on the field, Snyder's personality issues and hypocrisy and all the other stuff becomes pretty much irrelevant. But when they aren't performing, it makes it all that much easier to point out.

 

[Anachronism]

Well it was really just more of a personal potshot on my part. I think Favre is a douchebag too, but it didn't matter too much when he wasn't throwing interceptions three times a game. You're right that if the Skins can have success on the field, Snyder's personality issues and hypocrisy and all the other stuff becomes pretty much irrelevant. But when they aren't performing, it makes it all that much easier to point out.

You'll find that personal potshots really don't do much with me. I've been insulted on pretty much a daily basis for my entire life due to my appearance and my political philosophies. It really takes something to get to me in terms of insults at this point.

My biggest issue with Snyder is that he seems to be buying into the same BS system that the Patriots, Packers, Steelers, etc... have been using and if the team really does go down that road I won't be able to root for them anymore.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

As soon as they started boasting about how DeMaurice Smith was such good buddies with the Obamy,i knew our Football was gone. He's a militant Leftist douchebag. The Players should dump him immediately. We don't need a stupid "Community Organizer" stealing our Football. DeMaurice Smith has to go.

 

[Cuyo]

as soon as they started boasting about how demaurice smith was such good buddies with the obamy,i knew our football was gone. He's a militant leftist douchebag. The players should dump him immediately. We don't need a stupid "community organizer" stealing our football. Demaurice smith has to go.

shut.
The.
Fuck.
Up.

 

[boedicca]

My guitar is so not gently weeping nor am I inclined to cry me a river.

I'm sick of overpaid athletes whinging and acting like prima donnas.

 

[Mad Scientist]

My guitar is so not gently weeping nor am I inclined to cry a river.

I'm sick of overpaid athletes whinging and acting like prima donnas.

I like watching football, but if the NFL season were to be canceled my life would not change one bit. There are plenty of other things we fans can do with our time but I don't think the NFL realizes this yet.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Evidently, talks have failed and the parties have walked out.

If they strike, I've watched my last NFL game ever.

I haven't watched a MLB game in years, never cared about the NBA.

Just give me NCAA sports and the NHL, and you can have the rest.

The NFL is becoming just a mirror of the NBA.

Fuck them.

Who cares that millionires can't compete with Billionires? Let them all go broke.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think this had to be the low point of the Skin's season:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFzp3uHua40

 

[LA RAM FAN]

It was bound to be either a blame Obama or Blame Bush thread from the moment it started as are all threads. What the heck did you expect?

Immie

Well I dont follow many of his posts.He doesnt use logic most the time but i never would have figured to come here to the SPORTS section and see a post about it. guess it should not surprise me though.Elvis himself cant get over some pitiful grudge with me about Bush from years ago and has to always bring it here to the sports section with me.He cant do the mature thing and leave it in the conspiracy section.

Well, I was thinking that in one way or another just about every thread ends up being either a blame Bush or Blame Obama if not both of them thread. Sooner or later it is bound to happen.

Did you know that the fact that ice water has been banned in Hell is somehow Bushes fault? I read that somewhere. Also it is Obama's fault that Atlantis has sunk into the ocean. I know I read that somewhere once or twice as well.

Immie

PS: I'm making those up, don't go looking for them.

 

[Polk]

How did this turn into an Obama bashing thread?? Has he seized the NFL?

Yes. His good bud DeMaurice Smith is head of the NFLPA. Do the Math. Obama Crony = No Football. Gee what a surprise. This President can't do anything right so it's no surprise one of his cronies can't either. Dump DeMaurice Smith right now! It's our only hope for getting our Football back.

I love the logic here.

DeMaurice Smith is black.
Obama is black.
Therefore, Smith and Obama are buddies.

 

[Polk]

Forget about the money. The NFL needs to do a better job of taking care of it's players . Players barely last a 16 game season without breaking down 18 games is too much wear and tear. Concussions, excessive weight and drugs are ending too many careers too early.

NFL uses em up and then spits them out

well, they can always play somewhere else, or not play at all. they know the risks. they CHOOSE to play.

Now, as I said I agree that a longer season would just shorten more careers and I don't think thats an answer, but at the end of the day this is why they negotiate.

Where else is there to play? The NFL is a monopoly.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

How did this turn into an Obama bashing thread?? Has he seized the NFL?

Yes. His good bud DeMaurice Smith is head of the NFLPA. Do the Math. Obama Crony = No Football. Gee what a surprise. This President can't do anything right so it's no surprise one of his cronies can't either. Dump DeMaurice Smith right now! It's our only hope for getting our Football back.

I love the logic here.

DeMaurice Smith is black.
Obama is black.
Therefore, Smith and Obama are buddies.

What a dimwitted Race-Baiting Buffoon. lol! They are good friends. It's a fact. No one said anything about their race. You're the only one who did that. A "Community Organizer" asshole doesn't belong in Football. Hopefully the Players will dump DeMaurice Smith.