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Stop bombing them, now - yes, we agree on that.OK, we agree on everything except the motives of the terrorists. If you are right, then, to solve the problem, we have to either kill all Muslims or force them to stop being Muslim. If I am right, we have to stop being Israel's puppet. Which is preferable?We agree on that!If a city "turns away from God," kill everybody, even the cows, and burn all their stuff, and God will give you lots of childrenNot as many Muslims in those lands, and also, yes, French and Americans are standing in the way of them implementing Sharia Law. So per 8:39 they are allowed to attack us, since we support man-made law, and of course stand in the way of Sharia Law (god's law.) We both agree that bombing them just creates more terrorists in the long run, but also keep in mind that they also want to get a guaranteed place in Jannah, and Jihadis get the HIGHEST place in Jannah, the Islamic texts say - and 72 virgins is a great motivating factor as well.OK, genius, you tell me why Jihad has them killing Americans and not Mexicans. Has them killing the French, and not the Vietnamese?Sounds like propaganda right out of the Koran
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;
Deut 13:13
Yes, most ALL religions have vile, disgusting, inhuman texts in parts of them.
Why would I condemn it? ...Can you condemn Q8:39 which exhorts Muslims to fight until all religion around the world is Islam
Or, offer an alternative belief system.OK, we agree on everything except the motives of the terrorists. If you are right, then, to solve the problem, we have to either kill all Muslims or force them to stop being Muslim. If I am right, we have to stop being Israel's puppet. Which is preferable?We agree on that!If a city "turns away from God," kill everybody, even the cows, and burn all their stuff, and God will give you lots of childrenNot as many Muslims in those lands, and also, yes, French and Americans are standing in the way of them implementing Sharia Law. So per 8:39 they are allowed to attack us, since we support man-made law, and of course stand in the way of Sharia Law (god's law.) We both agree that bombing them just creates more terrorists in the long run, but also keep in mind that they also want to get a guaranteed place in Jannah, and Jihadis get the HIGHEST place in Jannah, the Islamic texts say - and 72 virgins is a great motivating factor as well.OK, genius, you tell me why Jihad has them killing Americans and not Mexicans. Has them killing the French, and not the Vietnamese?Sounds like propaganda right out of the Koran
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;
Deut 13:13
Yes, most ALL religions have vile, disgusting, inhuman texts in parts of them.
Now you are just being down right silly. ..So then we can agree that the Qur'an is outdated, and that we can find better role models, more modern role models, correct?
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Q8:39 says until all the world is Islamic.....will you condemn that goal, Sunni Man? If not, then you are just proving my point that Muslims do, today, believe at least in the tone, in the attitude, in the anti-non-Muslim sentiment of the Islamic texts - and that's very dangerous for the world, as we are seeing every day:Why would I condemn it? ...Can you condemn Q8:39 which exhorts Muslims to fight until all religion around the world is Islam
Can you cite the year and political/social context and situation that verse was given?
Or do you just want to keep making up stuff to support your twisted agenda? ....
My point was that you said that it was just talking about stuff that happened 1400 years ago (so those bad verses were not relevant for today), mi amigo, and so I would then argue that it's outdated. Seems logical, but I don't claim to have all the answers.Now you are just being down right silly. ..So then we can agree that the Qur'an is outdated, and that we can find better role models, more modern role models, correct?
It says to fight until all religion in the world is for Allah (Islam/Quran.) Can we agree that that's not what's best for the world?All lost in misdirection. You cannot Quote these or any other verses from either book without the historic setting, AND the qualifying verses to set the arena of the statements AND the position of the persons involved. Most people believers or non believers have no idea what is transpiring when some person uses a verse to make a diametric statement.
As with most things in life I'll admit that there is more than just one motivation, usually.OK, we agree on everything except the motives of the terrorists. ....We agree on that!If a city "turns away from God," kill everybody, even the cows, and burn all their stuff, and God will give you lots of childrenNot as many Muslims in those lands, and also, yes, French and Americans are standing in the way of them implementing Sharia Law. So per 8:39 they are allowed to attack us, since we support man-made law, and of course stand in the way of Sharia Law (god's law.) We both agree that bombing them just creates more terrorists in the long run, but also keep in mind that they also want to get a guaranteed place in Jannah, and Jihadis get the HIGHEST place in Jannah, the Islamic texts say - and 72 virgins is a great motivating factor as well.OK, genius, you tell me why Jihad has them killing Americans and not Mexicans. Has them killing the French, and not the Vietnamese?Sounds like propaganda right out of the Koran
If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;
Deut 13:13
Yes, most ALL religions have vile, disgusting, inhuman texts in parts of them.
That's what Muslims do kill those they disagree with… Fact100+ verses in the Islamic texts exhort the faithful to wage Jihad against non-believers, and there have been over 30,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, so the Islamic texts might have to always be suspect #1 when it comes to trying to determine the motivation of a particular Muslim terrorist - until we get more info - if we ever get more info. The terrorist is dead, so we often won't know.
So "we might never know that Muslim terrorist's motivation" can't be used anymore.
Instead, our default position should be "until shown otherwise, we have to assume that this Muslim terrorist was simply following some of the 100+ verses in his religion relating to Jihad - including the enticing promise of 72 virgins in Paradise to those that wage jihad for Allah."
Question: should this be our default position, or not?
Me, I'm certainly starting to lean this way.
You?
I admire your patience in putting up with me post after post after post - we, uh, don't always agree on stuff.Now you are just being down right silly. ..So then we can agree that the Qur'an is outdated, and that we can find better role models, more modern role models, correct?
You are seriously bi-polar and need to seek psychiatric help. ....I love Muslims - so let's show them a better way.
One problem is the 72-virgin reward system in the Islamic texts for waging Jihad against the enemies of Allah to spread Sharia. If they didn't have this reward then fewer Jihad attacks would take place - saving Muslim and non-Muslim lives. I can't say that I value a Scientific Humanist's live over a Muslim's life - if I claim that Scientific Humanism is the world's most loving belief system. Let's love Muslim, as well.That's what Muslims do kill those they disagree with… Fact100+ verses in the Islamic texts exhort the faithful to wage Jihad against non-believers, and there have been over 30,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11, so the Islamic texts might have to always be suspect #1 when it comes to trying to determine the motivation of a particular Muslim terrorist - until we get more info - if we ever get more info. The terrorist is dead, so we often won't know.
So "we might never know that Muslim terrorist's motivation" can't be used anymore.
Instead, our default position should be "until shown otherwise, we have to assume that this Muslim terrorist was simply following some of the 100+ verses in his religion relating to Jihad - including the enticing promise of 72 virgins in Paradise to those that wage jihad for Allah."
Question: should this be our default position, or not?
Me, I'm certainly starting to lean this way.
You?
I don't hate them, I just can't believe how incredibly intellectually-inconsistent they are at times. For example, I've asked you if Allah should have known that sex with kids (9 year-old Aisha) causes mental and psychological damage, and you've never agreed in any way with that. My friend, that attitude hurts children. You're better than that.You are seriously bi-polar and need to seek psychiatric help. ....I love Muslims - so let's show them a better way.
You'll make one post talking about love for everyone.
And your next post will be dripping with hatred for certain poster's. ....
Can you say that Osama Bin Laden is likely in HELL right now? Or is he getting 72 virgins in Paradise?Why would I condemn it? ...Can you condemn Q8:39 which exhorts Muslims to fight until all religion around the world is Islam
Can you cite the year and political/social context and situation that verse was given?
Or do you just want to keep making up stuff to support your twisted agenda? ....
Like I said, you need to seek out a mental health professional asap. ...I don't hate them, I just can't believe how incredibly intellectually-inconsistent they are at times.
1. Do you demand that your children do well in science class?Like I said, you need to seek out a mental health professional asap. ...I don't hate them, I just can't believe how incredibly intellectually-inconsistent they are at times.
In Islam, a persons final destination is only between them and God.Can you say that Osama Bin Laden is likely in HELL right now? Or is he getting 72 virgins in Paradise?
If, just say if, Osama is basking in Paradise (just say), could you join me in saying that we think that Allah is not as ethical as we would be?
You have a bright future on the Muslim comedy circuit awaiting you, mi amigo!Like I said, you need to seek out a mental health professional asap. ...I don't hate them, I just can't believe how incredibly intellectually-inconsistent they are at times.
A Scientific Humanist can make ethical judgments more clearly than people from other belief systems can - your reply (no offense) is one example.In Islam, a persons final destination is only between them and God.Can you say that Osama Bin Laden is likely in HELL right now? Or is he getting 72 virgins in Paradise?
If, just say if, Osama is basking in Paradise (just say), could you join me in saying that we think that Allah is not as ethical as we would be?
We are not privy to that information, and do not speculate on it. ....
