No, Muslims Should NOT Be Allowed To Serve In Public Office

[protectionist]

Maybe a congressional panel should assemble to actually question these Muslims, and to see if they are willing to abide by the laws already governing this nation, and are they willing to assimilate into the American culture or are they here to carve out a portion of it for their own ???

I think these types of questions should be answered, and maybe even signed into a treaty with them.

That wouldn't do any good. A basic part of Muslim methodology is LYING (Taqiyya)

 

[beagle9]

What's new? Those versus came down when muslims were fighting those that wanted to fight them, occupy their land. Just like the bible or the Torah nothing different.

1.7 billion Muslims if they followed what you claim, I dont think you wouldve made it. Don5 forget that muslims ruled for centuries and occupy half of the old world and I'd there were what you say they couldve cleansed other religious groups.
Big example: south of Europe was ruled for 8 centuries by muslims.

Those verses are still in the Koran, and jihadists all over the world attack non-Muslims based on those verses. If you want to claim that the verses no longer apply, then get rid of them, but I know that won't happen. So you support them, as they are part of your Koran.

There are fanatics in all religions....why get rid of versus if we know they dont apply. Crazy people will kill with or without verses....settlers wiped out millions did they need verses? Maybe they used the church for their own ambitions....and Christian's disillusionment did use the church to colonize and wiped out millions of people.
So where was the problem there ?

No problem at all, the goal was achieved, and an American nation was born. The assimilation took years, and many sacrifice's were made, and through it all it United the most of us. Anyone attempting to tear that apart will be met with a huge push back. Now don't be confused, because the push back is coming from traditional America, and not these liberal minded modern day marauders that are attempting to destroy this nation.

 

[protectionist]

In the early part of the 19th century you may have been right. But the latter part, virtually all were put on reservations. And if something valuable were found on the reservation, they had it taken away and moved again. The tribes in the southeast lived peacefully. Until the US gov't decided they wanted their land. Then they made them walk to Oklahoma. The fact that the remaining Native Americans get to watch TV today does not make up for the extreme brutality they faced from the US Gov't.

And I am not using "dime store novels" as my reference. I am talking about historical facts.

And this was just one of many examples of Western Civilization being uncivilized.

I did not say that anything made up for anything. I simply said that European immigration was one of the best things that happed to American Indians, who would still be living in the stone age without it.

 

[protectionist]

You're right, a doctor is needed. But it is for you.

Yes, there have been radical Muslims committing crimes.

The terrorist/criminals were all either apprehended or died. How many were there? 20? 25? Lets go crazy and say 50. There are rough 3.45 million Muslims in the US, and you want to deny them all the ability to hold public office. So punish all for what 0.001% actually did? That is just sad.

The overwhelming majority of Muslim abide by our laws. They follow our Constitution. And just because of their religion, you want them banned from public office. It has already been shown that the supremacy clause is not violated, since they do not act on the violent commands of the Quran.

Since the supremacy clause is not an issue, Article 6 applies and no religious test can be applied.

Once again, you lose. Just like your plan for the federal gov't to take over MLB.

OBVIOUSLY YOU LOSE.

1. Numbers don't mean much when it comes to Muslim terrorism. 19 guys killed 3000 on 9/11. ONE guy killed 13 at Fort hood. ONE killed 49 in the Pulse Club. And if the nutters were to het a hold of a nuke, just a few of them could kill millions.

2. I don't want anybody banned because of any religion. Islam is not a religion. See post # 75, Mr late arrival.

3. It's not so much that I want Muslims banned from public office, as it is the the Constitution Article 6 Section 2 require they be banned from everything. It bans Islam entirely, as well as any other supremacism. You've seen the Section. Stop talking nonsense.

4. The supremacy clause is not an issue ? The supremacy clause is THE ISSUE.

5. It is obvious that you are not well versed on how much Muslims act or don't act on the Koran. Or much of anything else about Islam in America. Are you familiar with all the Muslim Brotherhood groups in America ? They ALL act on the Koran.

CAIR, ISNA, MAS, MSA, ICNA, FCNA, MAYA, AEF, UASR, IAP, BMI, IIIT, IMANA, AMSE, ICNA, Islamic Institute, AMC, AMF, Success Foundation, GSISS AKA Cordoba University, NAIF, IIFTIKHAR, AMSS, TIAA, IRO, African Muslim Agency, Safa Trust, SAAR Foundation, MMCT, Dar El-Eiman USA, ADAMS, IANA, GRF, MWL, MYNA, HHT, Islamic Academy of Florida, Fairfax Institute, AMT, IIFSO, AMCE, AMAFVAC, CISNA, Isalmic Media Foundation, et al

They ALL are supremacist. None has ever disavowed the Explanatory Memorandum, despite having been called on it numerous times. There is every reason to believe they follow it 100%. No reason to think they don't.

6. You're still yammering about religion. This subject is not your forte. Maybe you could go back to talking about motorcycles, where you won't be a rib steak for Muslim jihadists. If you want to know how little you know about this, go ahead and take my Isamization Quiz.

7. You've only spoken about laws and terrorism, there's also the subject of Islamization, which you've said nothing about (if you even know what the word means - I've studied it for 18 years)

 

[protectionist]

It also outlaws any religious test to hold office.

That is irrelevant to Islam. The only relevant part of the Constitution to Islam is Article 6, Section 2, part 1, the Supremacy Clause.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
(Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause)

 

[protectionist]

The US gov't recognizes it as a religion. You lose again.

So you think you win a debate by claiming that the other guy loses, huh ? Ha ha.

It doesn't matter if the US recognizes Islam to be a religion. Some countries do, some don't. See Post # 75. links

 

[protectionist]

If you want to use your own definition, that is fine.

I did a Google search for Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th edition. And found this web site: Webster's New World College Dictionary

That dictionary's definition of religion is "Religion is a set of beliefs about God or the supernatural.".


Do you have a link for a different definition?

I don't need a "link" Mr Computer. I'm holding the dictionary in my hands. In it's definition of religion, it has 4 entries. In 2 (a) it mentions "code of ethics". That's good enough for me.

 

[Rigby5]

What's new? Those versus came down when muslims were fighting those that wanted to fight them, occupy their land. Just like the bible or the Torah nothing different.

1.7 billion Muslims if they followed what you claim, I dont think you wouldve made it. Don5 forget that muslims ruled for centuries and occupy half of the old world and I'd there were what you say they couldve cleansed other religious groups.
Big example: south of Europe was ruled for 8 centuries by muslims.

Those verses are still in the Koran, and jihadists all over the world attack non-Muslims based on those verses. If you want to claim that the verses no longer apply, then get rid of them, but I know that won't happen. So you support them, as they are part of your Koran.

No Muslims are attacking any non-Muslims, so clearly you are wrong.
Muslim countries like in the Persian Gulf, rely heavily on tourism, so they certainly would not succeed if Islam required them to attack tourists.

Huh ? What logic is that? Which gulf countries rely on tourism other than the city of Dubai ?

Well Dubai is a good example.
But lots of Muslim countries rely heavily on tourism, like Egypt.
Muslim countries are the safest for Jews and Christians, because they have less crime.
That is why there are over 30,000 Jews living in Tehran alone.
They would not be doing that is they felt at all threatened.

 

[Rigby5]

What's new? Those versus came down when muslims were fighting those that wanted to fight them, occupy their land. Just like the bible or the Torah nothing different.

1.7 billion Muslims if they followed what you claim, I dont think you wouldve made it. Don5 forget that muslims ruled for centuries and occupy half of the old world and I'd there were what you say they couldve cleansed other religious groups.
Big example: south of Europe was ruled for 8 centuries by muslims.

1.7 billion Muslims if they followed what you claim,

No one is talking about all Muslims but you. When are you going to figure that out?

Forgot you said 3 ro 7% how did you come up with that ?

Writing at the Weekly Standard, Robert Satloff takes apart a new book by John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed, both of them professional pro-Islam propagandists, published by the Gallup organization, where Mogehed is executive director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies. Satloff shows how, through fraudulent definition of the word “radical,” the authors make it appear that a multi-year study of Muslim opinion worldwide showed that only seven percent of Muslims are radical, when, in reality, by any fair reading of the authors’ own polling data, the correct number is 37 percent.

The authors define Muslim radicals as those who say the 9/11 attack was “completely justified,” which was seven percent of the sample. However, there were two other categories of respondents who said that the attack was at least partially justified, and they are labeled by the authors as “moderates.” The first of those groups comprises 6.5 percent of the sample, the second comprises 23.1 percent. Further, the respondents in that last category, making up 23.1 percent, also said that they hate America, want to impose Sharia law, support suicide bombing, and oppose equal rights for women. Yet Esposito and Mogahed call them “moderates.”

7 plus 6.5 plus 23.1 equals 36.6 percent of 1.2 billion Muslims, or 439 million radical Muslims in the world. Just a tiny unrepresentative minority.

The theme of the Esposito-Mogahed book is that most Muslims are just like us, a notion mocked by the title of Satloff’s article: “Just Like Us! Really?” This is most ironic, given that the Weekly Standard is a leading supporter of President Bush and his Islam democratization policy, which is founded on the assumption that Muslims are … just like us. The Standard thus happily takes apart leftists who say that Muslims are just like us, while it remains silent about and keeps supporting the president who says that Muslims are just like us.

Clearly, the right-liberal hand doesn’t know what the left-liberal hand is doing, or, more precisely, the right-liberal hand refuses to recognize that it is doing the same thing as the left-liberal hand, even as it condemns the left-liberal hand.
How many radical Muslims are there in the world?

False.....I dont know of any Muslim that was happy about 9/11...are there some? Of course...there are assholes in every group. I remember clearly how everyone felt Terrible during the events. And everyone sympathized with the US till Bush went to invade Iraq and blew it.

Pew Research states otherwise

That is just a lie.
Here is what Pew Research really said:
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A 2007 Pew Research Center study of several nations throughout the Muslim world showed that opposition to suicide bombing in the Muslim world is increasing, with a majority of Muslims surveyed in 10 out of the 16 of the countries responding that suicide bombings and other violence against civilians is "never" justified, though an average of 68% believe it is justified at least rarely. Opposition to Hamas was the majority opinion in only 4 out of the 16 countries surveyed, as was opposition to Hezbollah.[5] The Pew Research Study did not include Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Libya, and Algeria in the survey, although densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia, and Bangladesh were included.
...}
Muslim attitudes toward terrorism - Wikipedia

 

[protectionist]

1 in 4 women experience some sort of domestic violence. Blaming one Muslim is ridiculous.

The population of the US is roughly 320 million. 51% are female. If 1 in 4 suffer from domestic abuse, that means that over 40 million women are abused at one time or another. There are only 3.45 million Muslims in the US. Either they are all abusers and very busy, or domestic abuse is a national problem, not a Muslim problem.

The point is that Islam is a culture that is inconsistent with US law. Koran 4:34 tells Muslim husbands to beat their wives. US law tells us all that is prohibited. Muslims, tend to choose Islamic law over US law. This is why Islam cannot coexist with American society, and certainly cannot have its people in government power.

To give a Muslim government power is to change the law to Islamic law.

As for whether all Muslim husbands are abusers, as I said before, we have no way of knowing. I see no reason why they would not be, when their book is telling them to do that.

 

[Rigby5]

Alternative facts ? Just like the orange who said he saw muslims celebrating in NJ? And it was debunked.

Your supreme leader's first trip outside the US was to a Muslim country, he danced with Saudis and was a happy camper. You might wanna check why during his campaign he said they need to be dealt with, and then he changed his mind after he became president.

Muslims WERE seen celebrating after 9/11 this was not debunked.


1. 9/16/01 - WCBS-TV, Pablo Guzman

2. 9/22/01 - San Francisco Chronicle

3. 9/17/01 - MTV video - Fight for Your Rights: Aftermath of Terror

4. 9/12/01 - the Howard Stern Show

5. 9/14/01 - New York Post, op-ed

6. 9/18/10 - Serge Kovaleski, Washington Post

7. 12/01/15 - Rudy Giuliani, CNN

8. 12/21/15 - Arthur Teeter, Jersey City Police HQ

9. Ibid, 2 civilian witnesses, Ron Knight & Carlos Ferran

10. Ibid, 11 Jersey city police officers, Facebook

And they not only celebrating on rooftops, there even were Muslim FBI agents who celebrated in FBI HQ.

Arab translators cheered Sept. 11 - WND - WND

And Trump DID deal with Muslims immigrating and traveling to the US, by enacting law stopping them, which was upheld by the Supreme Court.

FactCheck,org says you are lying.

Trump, Carson on 9/11 'Celebrations' - FactCheck.org

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The Post story said that Jersey City police detained “a number of people” who were “allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding a tailgate-style party” in Jersey City. That allegation was unattributed and unverified. Even if it did happen, and there is no evidence of it, the celebrating was not on TV and did not involve “thousands and thousands of people.”

The Washington Post Fact Checker talked to both reporters on the Post story cited by Trump, and neither could recall if the allegations about the tailgate-style celebration were verified. “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened,” said Fredrick Kunkle, one of the Post reporters on that story. “But I could never verify that report.”

What’s clear to us — and should be to Trump — is that there were no widespread televised celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. In fact, what Trump described would have been big news, and the reporters at the Daily News, Star-Ledger and elsewhere who tried and failed to track down rumors of 9/11 celebrations could have just turned on the TV to get their story.
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Unlike Trump, Carson at least now acknowledges that it’s not true that thousands of Muslims were captured on TV celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. But in doing so he rewrites the record.
...}

 

[Rigby5]

The US gov't recognizes it as a religion. You lose again.

So you think you win a debate by claiming that the other guy loses, huh ? Ha ha.

It doesn't matter if the US recognizes Islam to be a religion. Some countries do, some don't. See Post # 75. links

Still lying I see.
Here are the countries that do not recognize Islam as a valid religion:

{...
Asia

• Bhutan
  Bhutan , also known as most peaceful country in Asia , officially does not recognise Islam as a religion. It only recognise Buddhism and Hinduism.
• Myanmar
  Officially Myanmar allows to practice any religion , but it emphasise mainly on Theravada Buddhism. Islam face tough persecution from the Government.
• China
  The constitution of China protects what it calls "normal religious activity", defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organisations and registered places of worship. Muslims in Xinjiang province are banned to keep long beard and covering face(for women) , Ramdan is a banned religious act and Muslims worshiping independently have been detained and charged with conducting "illegal religious activities".
  Recently China also banned certain Islamic name for the new born child. "Muhammad," ''Jihad" and "Islam" are among at least 29 names now banned in the heavily Muslim region of China.
• North Korea
  North Korea does not recognise any religion. Muslims and Christians are persecuted for following religion or conducting religious activities.

Africa

• Angola
  Angolan government does not legally recognize any Muslim organizations , as a result, mosques in the country have faced restrictions and many have been shut down by the government.

Europe

• Slovakia
  Slovakia has recently passed a law which bans construction of mosque , in the country. For more information read Lara Novakov's answer to Are there any countries where Islam is banned, or that might soon ban Islam?.

...}
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-countries-where-Islam-is-banned-or-that-might-soon-ban-Islam

 

[protectionist]

FactCheck,org says you are lying.

Trump, Carson on 9/11 'Celebrations' - FactCheck.org

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The Post story said that Jersey City police detained “a number of people” who were “allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding a tailgate-style party” in Jersey City. That allegation was unattributed and unverified. Even if it did happen, and there is no evidence of it, the celebrating was not on TV and did not involve “thousands and thousands of people.”

The Washington Post Fact Checker talked to both reporters on the Post story cited by Trump, and neither could recall if the allegations about the tailgate-style celebration were verified. “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened,” said Fredrick Kunkle, one of the Post reporters on that story. “But I could never verify that report.”

What’s clear to us — and should be to Trump — is that there were no widespread televised celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. In fact, what Trump described would have been big news, and the reporters at the Daily News, Star-Ledger and elsewhere who tried and failed to track down rumors of 9/11 celebrations could have just turned on the TV to get their story.
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Unlike Trump, Carson at least now acknowledges that it’s not true that thousands of Muslims were captured on TV celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. But in doing so he rewrites the record.
...}

Factcheck ? ha ha ha. Verifications of Muslims celebrating after 9/11 were numerous. Maybe you watch CNN. They probably refer to FactCheck.

1. Serge Kovalseki's 2001 article in the Washington Post said that NJ Muslims celebrated >>

"In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river."

2. WCBS-TV, Sept. 16, 2001 Pablo Guzman report of FBI raid on bldg in Jersey City "swarming with suspects" who had been seen celebrating after seeing the planes slam into the World Trade Center.

3. San Francisco Chronicle, Sept 22, 2001 reported Jersey City police "detained several men seen celebrating the attack as the smoke first rose across the river."

In Jersey, attacks put coexistence to new test / Muslim enclave under strain of terror backlash

4. An MTV video > "Fight for Your Rights: Aftermath of Terror' Nov. 17, 2001, Emily Acevedo told MTV she saw Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks outside the Patterson NJ town hall.

5. Sept. 12, 2001, four people called in to the Howard Stern Show with eyewitness accounts of Muslims celebrating in Paterson

*VIDEO* On Sept. 16, 2001 CBS Reported “SWARMS” Of Muslims Celebrating 9/11 In New Jersey (W/Bonus Video)

6. New York Post op-ed, Sept. 14, 2001 said >> "Here in New York, it was easy to get angry listening to Egyptians, Palestinians, and the Arabs of nearby Paterson, NJ, celebrate as they received word of the murderous attacks in New York and Washington."

Trump Cites New York Post to Support Claims of Mass Celebrations Following 9/11

7. Then there are many reports from citizens who say they saw Muslims in streets and on rooftops cheering the 9/11 attacks . Here just a few examples of these >>

• Tom Penicaro: “I worked for PSEG in Clifton on the Paterson boarder and I witnessed it firsthand. They were celebrating in the streets cheering and stomping on the flag. I am a Marine and I remember very very clearly because I was so passed I wanted to engage them with a bat I had in my van.”
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• William Hugelmeyer: We all saw and heard the reports, just because the media is doing a white wash doesn’t mean it didn’t happen! I was working in the jail when the attacks occurred. Once it was clear it was a terrorist attack, we had inmates celebrating. This instantly caused a lockdown. As you could imagine, many other inmates and officers didn’t share their jubilation.”
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• P.j. Flattery: “I saw with my own eyes Muslims in Paterson dancing and singing on the streets during 9/11. Trumps an American. He’s gonna have his haters and people trying to knock him down.”
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• Patrick Kiernan: “They were celebrating all around the area of the mosque on Getty Ave in Paterson. You cant tell me they weren’t because I lived there when It happened and I observed the clashes in the city at the time. There may be no visual proof but I remember the police went on the news and asked the citizens not to retaliate against any of the Muslim citizens in the city and that just emboldened them even more to be spiteful and full of their hate .Dont say it didn’t happen because it did.”
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• Terry Lynn Mustakas: “I experienced/witnessed many incidents of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in North Brunswick. I was in a grocery store when I heard the plane crashed on the store radio. The Muslim man in line next to me turned and spit on me. I’ll never forget it.”
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• John Pezzino: “They were in the streets banging on the cars trying to drive through the crowd in the street. The Muslims were shouting death to American s and Allah is great other crap I didn’t understand. We were amused until a car with 3 young women mistakenly turned on to main st. The muslims were banging on their windows and screaming, thats when we came out of our car and pushed the muslims off their car helped them back out and get back to the Parkway.”
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• Mike Passeri: “It absolutely happened in Paterson. The police even had some of the streets closed off to traffic because of it. I was in Paterson on the 12th for business and the whole area around Crooks Avenue was covered in people celebrating. As for the fights in the high schools, I remember hearing about it being reported but have no idea if that was true or not.”
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• Eddie Iacono: “No, I was in Jersey City when it happened. That night I had to drive through the Muslim Alcove in Paterson, NJ and they were still laughing about it a bit too happily. They may have been speaking another language, but when someone sweeps their hand down while making sound effects of a building dropping, then smiles, and raises his fists in triumph, well, something is wrong.”
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• Priscilla Crane Hudson: “I saw first hand in Jersey City the Muslims cheering in the streets when the World Trade Center was destroyed. These so called news outlets should get their facts straight. And there were 100s of revelers over 3,000+ deaths.”
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• Walter Emiliantsev: “I lived in NJ at the time on Demott Ave., Clifton! When I tried to go to Paterson to my brother in laws shop, I usually took Main Ave. There were so many people dancing on Main, I couldn’t get through! I KNOW what I saw!”

And then, of course, there was also THIS >>

Arab translators cheered Sept. 11 - WND - WND

 

[protectionist]

Still lying I see.
Here are the countries that do not recognize Islam as a valid religion:

{...
Asia

• Bhutan
  Bhutan , also known as most peaceful country in Asia , officially does not recognise Islam as a religion. It only recognise Buddhism and Hinduism.
• Myanmar
  Officially Myanmar allows to practice any religion , but it emphasise mainly on Theravada Buddhism. Islam face tough persecution from the Government.
• China
  The constitution of China protects what it calls "normal religious activity", defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organisations and registered places of worship. Muslims in Xinjiang province are banned to keep long beard and covering face(for women) , Ramdan is a banned religious act and Muslims worshiping independently have been detained and charged with conducting "illegal religious activities".
  Recently China also banned certain Islamic name for the new born child. "Muhammad," ''Jihad" and "Islam" are among at least 29 names now banned in the heavily Muslim region of China.
• North Korea
  North Korea does not recognise any religion. Muslims and Christians are persecuted for following religion or conducting religious activities.

Africa

• Angola
  Angolan government does not legally recognize any Muslim organizations , as a result, mosques in the country have faced restrictions and many have been shut down by the government.

Europe

• Slovakia
  Slovakia has recently passed a law which bans construction of mosque , in the country. For more information read Lara Novakov's answer to Are there any countries where Islam is banned, or that might soon ban Islam?.

...}
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-countries-where-Islam-is-banned-or-that-might-soon-ban-Islam

Strange. You call me a liar, yet I see nothing in your post that conflicts with anything I said. Also, you forgot Italy, which does not recognize Islam as a religion.

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion — Denied Religious Tax Status

 

[Rigby5]

1 in 4 women experience some sort of domestic violence. Blaming one Muslim is ridiculous.

The population of the US is roughly 320 million. 51% are female. If 1 in 4 suffer from domestic abuse, that means that over 40 million women are abused at one time or another. There are only 3.45 million Muslims in the US. Either they are all abusers and very busy, or domestic abuse is a national problem, not a Muslim problem.

The point is that Islam is a culture that is inconsistent with US law. Koran 4:34 tells Muslim husbands to beat their wives. US law tells us all that is prohibited. Muslims, tend to choose Islamic law over US law. This is why Islam cannot coexist with American society, and certainly cannot have its people in government power.

To give a Muslim government power is to change the law to Islamic law.

As for whether all Muslim husbands are abusers, as I said before, we have no way of knowing. I see no reason why they would not be, when their book is telling them to do that.

Stop lying.
The Quran does NOT tell anyone to beat any woman.
What the Quran tell patriarchs is that they are responsible for what each member of the family does, and if they commit crimes, they need to be punished so they will stop.
US law also punishes women if they commit crimes.
But since we have jails, they are imprisoned instead of being beaten.
Not sure which is better.
I would prefer to being beaten than jailed.
And the US jails a higher percentage of nonviolent offenders, like for pot, than any country in the world.

The Bible tells Christians to kill heretics, so then why do we let Christians into government?

 

[Rigby5]

FactCheck,org says you are lying.

Trump, Carson on 9/11 'Celebrations' - FactCheck.org

{...
The Post story said that Jersey City police detained “a number of people” who were “allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding a tailgate-style party” in Jersey City. That allegation was unattributed and unverified. Even if it did happen, and there is no evidence of it, the celebrating was not on TV and did not involve “thousands and thousands of people.”

The Washington Post Fact Checker talked to both reporters on the Post story cited by Trump, and neither could recall if the allegations about the tailgate-style celebration were verified. “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened,” said Fredrick Kunkle, one of the Post reporters on that story. “But I could never verify that report.”

What’s clear to us — and should be to Trump — is that there were no widespread televised celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. In fact, what Trump described would have been big news, and the reporters at the Daily News, Star-Ledger and elsewhere who tried and failed to track down rumors of 9/11 celebrations could have just turned on the TV to get their story.
...
Unlike Trump, Carson at least now acknowledges that it’s not true that thousands of Muslims were captured on TV celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. But in doing so he rewrites the record.
...}

Factcheck ? ha ha ha. Verifications of Muslims celebrating after 9/11 were numerous. Maybe you watch CNN. They probably refer to FactCheck.

Not a single reputable source was able to find any evidence that anyone celebrated the 9/11 attack.
There are lots of fake claims, but they all fail to pan out when checked.

 

[Rigby5]

Still lying I see.
Here are the countries that do not recognize Islam as a valid religion:

{...
Asia

• Bhutan
  Bhutan , also known as most peaceful country in Asia , officially does not recognise Islam as a religion. It only recognise Buddhism and Hinduism.
• Myanmar
  Officially Myanmar allows to practice any religion , but it emphasise mainly on Theravada Buddhism. Islam face tough persecution from the Government.
• China
  The constitution of China protects what it calls "normal religious activity", defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organisations and registered places of worship. Muslims in Xinjiang province are banned to keep long beard and covering face(for women) , Ramdan is a banned religious act and Muslims worshiping independently have been detained and charged with conducting "illegal religious activities".
  Recently China also banned certain Islamic name for the new born child. "Muhammad," ''Jihad" and "Islam" are among at least 29 names now banned in the heavily Muslim region of China.
• North Korea
  North Korea does not recognise any religion. Muslims and Christians are persecuted for following religion or conducting religious activities.

Africa

• Angola
  Angolan government does not legally recognize any Muslim organizations , as a result, mosques in the country have faced restrictions and many have been shut down by the government.

Europe

• Slovakia
  Slovakia has recently passed a law which bans construction of mosque , in the country. For more information read Lara Novakov's answer to Are there any countries where Islam is banned, or that might soon ban Islam?.

...}
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-countries-where-Islam-is-banned-or-that-might-soon-ban-Islam

Strange. You call me a liar, yet I see nothing in your post that conflicts with anything I said. Also, you forgot Italy, which does not recognize Islam as a religion.

Italy: Islam Not Recognized as a Religion — Denied Religious Tax Status

Again you lie.
While it is true that Islam is not on the list of official religions that Italy recognizes, most religions are not.
The official list is only a benefit in that it reduces taxes, and Muslims in Italy have been slow to agree on how to fill in the paper work.
So you are lying when you imply that Italy has made some sort of conscious denial of Islam.
The truth is that is just never came up because there are so few Muslims in Italy.

Islam in Italy - Wikipedia

 

[Rigby5]

FactCheck,org says you are lying.

Trump, Carson on 9/11 'Celebrations' - FactCheck.org

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The Post story said that Jersey City police detained “a number of people” who were “allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding a tailgate-style party” in Jersey City. That allegation was unattributed and unverified. Even if it did happen, and there is no evidence of it, the celebrating was not on TV and did not involve “thousands and thousands of people.”

The Washington Post Fact Checker talked to both reporters on the Post story cited by Trump, and neither could recall if the allegations about the tailgate-style celebration were verified. “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened,” said Fredrick Kunkle, one of the Post reporters on that story. “But I could never verify that report.”

What’s clear to us — and should be to Trump — is that there were no widespread televised celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. In fact, what Trump described would have been big news, and the reporters at the Daily News, Star-Ledger and elsewhere who tried and failed to track down rumors of 9/11 celebrations could have just turned on the TV to get their story.
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Unlike Trump, Carson at least now acknowledges that it’s not true that thousands of Muslims were captured on TV celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. But in doing so he rewrites the record.
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Factcheck ? ha ha ha. Verifications of Muslims celebrating after 9/11 were numerous. Maybe you watch CNN. They probably refer to FactCheck.

1. Serge Kovalseki's 2001 article in the Washington Post said that NJ Muslims celebrated >>

"In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river."

2. WCBS-TV, Sept. 16, 2001 Pablo Guzman report of FBI raid on bldg in Jersey City "swarming with suspects" who had been seen celebrating after seeing the planes slam into the World Trade Center.

3. San Francisco Chronicle, Sept 22, 2001 reported Jersey City police "detained several men seen celebrating the attack as the smoke first rose across the river."

In Jersey, attacks put coexistence to new test / Muslim enclave under strain of terror backlash

4. An MTV video > "Fight for Your Rights: Aftermath of Terror' Nov. 17, 2001, Emily Acevedo told MTV she saw Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks outside the Patterson NJ town hall.

5. Sept. 12, 2001, four people called in to the Howard Stern Show with eyewitness accounts of Muslims celebrating in Paterson

*VIDEO* On Sept. 16, 2001 CBS Reported “SWARMS” Of Muslims Celebrating 9/11 In New Jersey (W/Bonus Video)

6. New York Post op-ed, Sept. 14, 2001 said >> "Here in New York, it was easy to get angry listening to Egyptians, Palestinians, and the Arabs of nearby Paterson, NJ, celebrate as they received word of the murderous attacks in New York and Washington."

Trump Cites New York Post to Support Claims of Mass Celebrations Following 9/11

7. Then there are many reports from citizens who say they saw Muslims in streets and on rooftops cheering the 9/11 attacks . Here just a few examples of these >>

• Tom Penicaro: “I worked for PSEG in Clifton on the Paterson boarder and I witnessed it firsthand. They were celebrating in the streets cheering and stomping on the flag. I am a Marine and I remember very very clearly because I was so passed I wanted to engage them with a bat I had in my van.”
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• William Hugelmeyer: We all saw and heard the reports, just because the media is doing a white wash doesn’t mean it didn’t happen! I was working in the jail when the attacks occurred. Once it was clear it was a terrorist attack, we had inmates celebrating. This instantly caused a lockdown. As you could imagine, many other inmates and officers didn’t share their jubilation.”
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• P.j. Flattery: “I saw with my own eyes Muslims in Paterson dancing and singing on the streets during 9/11. Trumps an American. He’s gonna have his haters and people trying to knock him down.”
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• Patrick Kiernan: “They were celebrating all around the area of the mosque on Getty Ave in Paterson. You cant tell me they weren’t because I lived there when It happened and I observed the clashes in the city at the time. There may be no visual proof but I remember the police went on the news and asked the citizens not to retaliate against any of the Muslim citizens in the city and that just emboldened them even more to be spiteful and full of their hate .Dont say it didn’t happen because it did.”
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• Terry Lynn Mustakas: “I experienced/witnessed many incidents of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in North Brunswick. I was in a grocery store when I heard the plane crashed on the store radio. The Muslim man in line next to me turned and spit on me. I’ll never forget it.”
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• John Pezzino: “They were in the streets banging on the cars trying to drive through the crowd in the street. The Muslims were shouting death to American s and Allah is great other crap I didn’t understand. We were amused until a car with 3 young women mistakenly turned on to main st. The muslims were banging on their windows and screaming, thats when we came out of our car and pushed the muslims off their car helped them back out and get back to the Parkway.”
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• Mike Passeri: “It absolutely happened in Paterson. The police even had some of the streets closed off to traffic because of it. I was in Paterson on the 12th for business and the whole area around Crooks Avenue was covered in people celebrating. As for the fights in the high schools, I remember hearing about it being reported but have no idea if that was true or not.”
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• Eddie Iacono: “No, I was in Jersey City when it happened. That night I had to drive through the Muslim Alcove in Paterson, NJ and they were still laughing about it a bit too happily. They may have been speaking another language, but when someone sweeps their hand down while making sound effects of a building dropping, then smiles, and raises his fists in triumph, well, something is wrong.”
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• Priscilla Crane Hudson: “I saw first hand in Jersey City the Muslims cheering in the streets when the World Trade Center was destroyed. These so called news outlets should get their facts straight. And there were 100s of revelers over 3,000+ deaths.”
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• Walter Emiliantsev: “I lived in NJ at the time on Demott Ave., Clifton! When I tried to go to Paterson to my brother in laws shop, I usually took Main Ave. There were so many people dancing on Main, I couldn’t get through! I KNOW what I saw!”

And then, of course, there was also THIS >>

Arab translators cheered Sept. 11 - WND - WND

You can keep repeating nonsense and lies all you want, but clearly all the investigations into these claims came back negative.
You just expose yourself as a total degenerate by continuing the lies.
Do you think FactCheck.org is the one lying, or is it YOU?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They should be called on it. Anyone nominated to a higher court should be aware that no religious test is allowed. If asked, point that out.

I do not give a pass to any party when the violation of the US Constitution is the problem.

This thread has nothing to do with religion.
The violation of the Constitution we are talking about in this thread, is Article 6, Section 2, part 1, the Supremacy Clause, and the violator is the supremacism of Islam, its Koran, and its scores of violations of US law.

When was the Koran enacted into law? Date time and government entity that did so please!

 

[Lastamender]

FactCheck,org says you are lying.

Trump, Carson on 9/11 'Celebrations' - FactCheck.org

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The Post story said that Jersey City police detained “a number of people” who were “allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding a tailgate-style party” in Jersey City. That allegation was unattributed and unverified. Even if it did happen, and there is no evidence of it, the celebrating was not on TV and did not involve “thousands and thousands of people.”

The Washington Post Fact Checker talked to both reporters on the Post story cited by Trump, and neither could recall if the allegations about the tailgate-style celebration were verified. “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened,” said Fredrick Kunkle, one of the Post reporters on that story. “But I could never verify that report.”

What’s clear to us — and should be to Trump — is that there were no widespread televised celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. In fact, what Trump described would have been big news, and the reporters at the Daily News, Star-Ledger and elsewhere who tried and failed to track down rumors of 9/11 celebrations could have just turned on the TV to get their story.
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Unlike Trump, Carson at least now acknowledges that it’s not true that thousands of Muslims were captured on TV celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. But in doing so he rewrites the record.
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Factcheck ? ha ha ha. Verifications of Muslims celebrating after 9/11 were numerous. Maybe you watch CNN. They probably refer to FactCheck.

Not a single reputable source was able to find any evidence that anyone celebrated the 9/11 attack.
There are lots of fake claims, but they all fail to pan out when checked.

Not a single reputable source

I don't have that problem the Koran and Hadith are my sources. It certainly could have happened according to what I have read in those sources.