No one is talking about the huge difference between Iraq and Syria.

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First difference:

For one, Syria really does have WMD's.

Right away, Republicans will say, "Oh, but Saddam gassed his own people." But like "twinkle down" and "cutting taxes for billionaires make jobs" and all their other nonsense, this is just something else they screamed so often, it's the only thing they believe.

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Who really gassed the Kurds?

United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.

Stephen C. Pelletiere is author of "Iraq and the International Oil System: Why America Went to War in the Persian Gulf."

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Another difference:

Can you imagine "no drama Obama" telling America, "You are with us or with the terrorists" to push an agenda of manipulation and lies? Republicans insist Obama must be stupid because he doesn't rush off in a panic like a chicken with it's head cut off. They think he's paralyzed with fear and stupidity.
The problem is, they aren't used to thoughtful action based on study and intelligence. The Iraq fiasco proves that. And Obama won't put politics above the citizens of this country the way Republicans did when they blocked his administration from investigating BP or when they held millions of unemployed Americans hostage to extend the Bush tax cuts or when they lied America into Iraq in the hopes of making "oil money".

Another difference:

America hadn't been "burned" before the way it was when tricked into Iraq by Bush and the Republicans. I thought Saddam was part of 9/11, most people did. A Zogby poll taken at the time had 90% of soldiers going to Iraq believing it was because of 9/11. Everyone thought we were taking out the guy who attacked us. The sacrificial lamb was the head of the CIA who has said, "Don't look at me. I wasn't me who fabricated intel".
Because of this, which led to the deaths and permanent maiming of tens of thousands of Americans and trillions of dollars lost, Americans simply aren't willing to get involved in another Middle East Conflict.

And Finally:

What ever Obama does, we know from past experience it will be through careful deliberation. It's just the way he works. Republicans can't see that. Correction, Republicans WON'T see that. They refuse to. As sure as they deny evolution, climate change, supply and demand, and the positives of education, they will refuse to see anything this president does as reasonable. Because their disastrous policies and their military fiascoes have been anything but reasonable. Apparently, reason is not something they are familiar with.
 
Just as everywhere else in the Middle East and North Africa, there is no good side in Syria. However, if Assad did use poison gas, then he needs to be taken out. That is something that the civilized community cannot allow.

In any event, his days are numbered. And what will replace him will probably be no better, just a little more careful until the power is consolidated.
 
Just as everywhere else in the Middle East and North Africa, there is no good side in Syria. However, if Assad did use poison gas, then he needs to be taken out. That is something that the civilized community cannot allow.

In any event, his days are numbered. And what will replace him will probably be no better, just a little more careful until the power is consolidated.

Civilized? Obama's drones have been working overtime killing women and children all over the Middle East
 
First difference:

For one, Syria really does have WMD's.

Why? Because John Kerry says so?

He's lied to us before.

Blow it out your ass.....

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 
saddam did gas the kurds. not iran.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Dean went there.

The ironic thing was, Reagan was the one who downplayed the gassing of the Kurds at the time, because he thought Saddam was someone we could work with.

The scary part of the Middle East is that we have so many guys we think we can work with that turn around and bite us.
 
saddam did gas the kurds. not iran.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Dean went there.

The ironic thing was, Reagan was the one who downplayed the gassing of the Kurds at the time, because he thought Saddam was someone we could work with.

The scary part of the Middle East is that we have so many guys we think we can work with that turn around and bite us.

Well, as you recall - it was either side with Iraq - or side with Iran. Things weren't going to well with the Ayatollah those days...
 
Pelosi meets with Syria?s Assad - World news - Mideast/N. Africa | NBC News

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Anyone else remember this?
 

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