No Russian Collusion? What now?

[Hale]

He was NOT elected by the people, and he does NOT deserve better treatment solely on that basis. Respect is earned and Trump has done NOTHING to earn that respect. He lies, he treats others badly, he demands loyalty but gives none. He says he only hires the "best people" but 30 of them were refused security clearances after being investigated by the FBI and the CIA, and many more lied on their application forms.

Today, we have leaks about behaviour by the President wherein he has tried to fire Mueller, has tried to subvert investigations by the SDNY, and Whittaker LIED to Congress about all of this. I'm really looking forward to that smug asshole being charged with "Lying to Congress".

When Trump stops using "insult diplomacy"; when he stops declaring friendly nations as "security threats" to over reach his authority to slap tariffs on your trading partners, and a "national emergency" as an end around to Congressional Authority to build a wall, and when he stops LYING every time he opens his mouth, he might earn some modicum of respect, but as long as he calls Kim, Putin and Erdogan as his besties, you've got a big fat problem with him every getting respect from anyone.

You could have saved a LOT of time, because your first lie says it all. Trump was elected by the people, through the process that has been in place since the birth of this Nation.

 

[iceberg]

• In the 773 days to yesterday, Trump has made 9,014 partly or wholly made-up statements according to the Washington Post
• He's started lying more and more frequently with each year of his presidency
• 104 came in one two-hour speech this weekend
• Donald Trump Has Reportedly Racked Up More Than 9,000 Lies Since Taking Office

And that is what bothers me the MOST about him, his lies upon lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.... just unadulterated DECEITFULNESS.

I just can't take the lying, it breaks every rule I was ever taught by my parents, by my church, by my employers etc etc etc

...he makes my skin crawl....

I agree with all that, but he was also elected, so also deserves better treatment than I see from most.
It is like they always want him to fail at everything, forgetting that if he fails, that harms the country.

He was NOT elected by the people, and he does NOT deserve better treatment solely on that basis. Respect is earned and Trump has done NOTHING to earn that respect. He lies, he treats others badly, he demands loyalty but gives none. He says he only hires the "best people" but 30 of them were refused security clearances after being investigated by the FBI and the CIA, and many more lied on their application forms.

Today, we have leaks about behaviour by the President wherein he has tried to fire Mueller, has tried to subvert investigations by the SDNY, and Whittaker LIED to Congress about all of this. I'm really looking forward to that smug asshole being charged with "Lying to Congress".

When Trump stops using "insult diplomacy"; when he stops declaring friendly nations as "security threats" to over reach his authority to slap tariffs on your trading partners, and a "national emergency" as an end around to Congressional Authority to build a wall, and when he stops LYING every time he opens his mouth, he might earn some modicum of respect, but as long as he calls Kim, Putin and Erdogan as his besties, you've got a big fat problem with him every getting respect from anyone.

he was elected by the same process that brought us obama, clinton and every other president before him.

your not liking it THIS TIME doesn't change how we do things.

get over yourself.

 

[hadit]

Nixon wasn't impeached.

He resigned because he was told that Republicans in the Senate WOULD vote to impeach if he let it go that far.

Keep up

Accuracy counts.

 

[hadit]

Nixon wasn't impeached.

He resigned because he was told that Republicans in the Senate WOULD vote to impeach if he let it go that far.

Keep up

they couldn't get him out of office though. he was stupid for resigning. but that's water under the bridge. why are you talking about Niixon anyway?

Because the previous poster was, and I commented on what he/said. You know, like how we do things on a debate board.

 

[basquebromance]

I can’t wait to watch you libtards cry like little babies when Trump is Reelected in 2020

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Faun]

Yes, but those copies were missing over 30,000 emails, and were what Trump was suggesting the Russians might be able to find.
And digital copies are useless.
In order to find evidence of any hacking or illegal correspondence, you need the originals.
When things are deleted, they are not wiped off the drive.
They are just marked as being able for future writes to be able to write over.
They are still there.
But when you make a copy, you don't copy the parts that are marked as deleted.
So you won't get anything that someone wanted to hide.
You need the originals in order to find what someone tried to hide.
That is true whether it was evidence of hackers or of illegal actions by the Clintons.

You’re thoroughly confused.

The hard drive copies were taken from the DNC’s servers. The 33,000 deleted emails were on Hillary’s servers. The two had nothing to do with each other.

“And digital copies are useless.
In order to find evidence of any hacking or illegal correspondence, you need the originals. When things are deleted, they are not wiped off the drive. They are just marked as being able for future writes to be able to write over. They are still there. But when you make a copy, you don't copy the parts that are marked as deleted.”

Too fucking stupid. <smh>

They didn’t create the copies with Windows Explorer, dragging files from one location to another — they did a byte-for-byte copy which duplicates every byte from the source drive onto a destination drive. that includes data from files marked for deletion as well as actually deleted files (except for such data that is overwritten).

The copy contains everything that can be found on the source drive. Which is why the FBI said this was an “appropriate substitute.”

I am not confused at all.
It was someone else who claimed Hillary's email server was hacked and I was the one trying to point out that was the DNC that was hacked, not Hillary.

And no, unless you use the exact same brand, size, and condition of drive, you can't really do a byte by byte copy and have it make any sense. You will be copying the file table as well as just raw data, so then will have extreme difficulty trying to even find files, much less read them.
But the point is it would be easy for people to avoid anything they wanted to delete when doing the copying.

If anyone at the FBI knew what was appropriate, they would be working for a computer company and not the FBI.

I said, ”Digital copies of the hard drives were provided to the FBI,” clearly speaking of the DNC’s servers, which had nothing at all to do with Hillary’s servers; to which you replied... ”yes, but those copies were missing over 30,000 emails, and were what Trump was suggesting the Russians might be able to find.”

Yes, you are completely confused as “those copies” were not “missing over 30,000 email.” Again, those were copies of the DNC servers; while the 33,000 missing email were deleted from Hillary’s servers, not the DNC’s.

As far as your knowledge on hard drives, it really wasn’t necessary for you to exhibit sheer ignorance on the technology. You did get the size correct though, I’ll give you that. The destination drive must have at least as much storage capacity as the source drive, and ideally in this case, would be the same size, but that’s all you got right. And I expect a professional company as CrowdStrike, who are in that industry, know enough to know that.

This is not a 2 person conversation. There are other people claiming it was Hillary's email server that was hacked. And it was Hillary that would not allow the FBI to check for the missing emails or evidence of hacking. Hillary did give the FBI a copy of the drives, but that did not at all help in supplying the missing 30,000 emails.
Of course I was unaware the DNC had also supplied copies of their drives because that makes no sense. If you actually want to find deleted files of evidence of hacking, you need the original drives in the machine they were in at the time. You don't want copies, and copies are not going to do any good.
You don't want RAW bytes because they you have to carefully find and interpret the file allocation tables, and then follow their entries to find the actual sectors. That is very difficult these days because all drives use a virtualization scheme for sectors, so that they can map out bad ones, and implement drive encryption. It is not as simple as just looking at RAW bytes. The interpretation is very difficult unless you perfectly shadow it onto the exact same media, in size, brand, embedded firmware, etc.

they never received copies. they never looked at the DNC server. Comey stated so under oath. Still to this day they haven't been looked at. one can only ask why? I do that all the time.

Imbecile, Comey said they did receive copies.

 

[Faun]

Nixon wasn't impeached.

He resigned because he was told that Republicans in the Senate WOULD vote to impeach if he let it go that far.

Keep up

they couldn't get him out of office though. he was stupid for resigning. but that's water under the bridge. why are you talking about Niixon anyway?

They couldn’t get him out of office? WTF are you talking about?? They got him out of office.

 

[Care4all]

• In the 773 days to yesterday, Trump has made 9,014 partly or wholly made-up statements according to the Washington Post
• He's started lying more and more frequently with each year of his presidency
• 104 came in one two-hour speech this weekend
• Donald Trump Has Reportedly Racked Up More Than 9,000 Lies Since Taking Office

And that is what bothers me the MOST about him, his lies upon lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.... just unadulterated DECEITFULNESS.

I just can't take the lying, it breaks every rule I was ever taught by my parents, by my church, by my employers etc etc etc

...he makes my skin crawl....

I agree with all that, but he was also elected, so also deserves better treatment than I see from most.
It is like they always want him to fail at everything, forgetting that if he fails, that harms the country.

He was NOT elected by the people, and he does NOT deserve better treatment solely on that basis. Respect is earned and Trump has done NOTHING to earn that respect. He lies, he treats others badly, he demands loyalty but gives none. He says he only hires the "best people" but 30 of them were refused security clearances after being investigated by the FBI and the CIA, and many more lied on their application forms.

Today, we have leaks about behaviour by the President wherein he has tried to fire Mueller, has tried to subvert investigations by the SDNY, and Whittaker LIED to Congress about all of this. I'm really looking forward to that smug asshole being charged with "Lying to Congress".

When Trump stops using "insult diplomacy"; when he stops declaring friendly nations as "security threats" to over reach his authority to slap tariffs on your trading partners, and a "national emergency" as an end around to Congressional Authority to build a wall, and when he stops LYING every time he opens his mouth, he might earn some modicum of respect, but as long as he calls Kim, Putin and Erdogan as his besties, you've got a big fat problem with him every getting respect from anyone.

he was elected by the same process that brought us obama, clinton and every other president before him.

your not liking it THIS TIME doesn't change how we do things.

get over yourself.

Actually, that is not quite true Iceberg. The first few elections in our Nation, the Electoral process, created by our founding Fathers, (Madison and Adams) was completely different than it is now...

It is quite interesting how it was done by them, and the History of how the States actually changed the Electoral Process for President and Vice-President. We, (or rather Male, White, landowners) in most states actually voted for Electors, by name, and did not vote for the President and Vice President, with their names on the ballot.... if we voted by popular vote, we voted for the Elector who best represented us. The Electors each had 2 votes, 1 for President, and 1 for vice President...

The whole History of it all, and all the changes made, is really interesting and the link at the bottom is worth going in to and reading, for everyone on this board!

As dictated by Article Two of the Constitution, presidents and vice presidents are elected by “electors,” a group of voters chosen by each state in a manner specified by that state’s legislature. The total number of electors from each state is equal to the number of senators and representatives that state is entitled to in Congress. In the first few presidential elections, these electors were chosen by popular vote, legislative appointment, or a combination of both (by the 1820s, almost all states adopted the practice of choosing electors by popular vote). Each elector voted for two people; at least one of who did not live in their state. The individual receiving the greatest number of votes would be elected president, and the next in line, vice president.

A majority of electors was needed to win election, thus ensuring consensus across states. Because each elector voted twice, it was possible for as many as three candidates to tie with a majority–in which case the House of Representatives was to vote a winner from among the tied candidates. If no majority was achieved in the initial electoral vote, the House was to decide the winner from the top five candidates. In both cases, representatives would not vote individually but by state groups. Each state, no matter what its number of representatives, would be entitled to just one vote, and a majority of these votes was needed to elect a candidate president.

George Washington was unanimously elected, and John Adams–his unofficial running mate–came in second in electoral votes, making him vice president. Both men were conservative and favored a strong federal government as established by the Constitution. To balance his Cabinet with a liberal, and thus maintain the widest possible support for the new American government, Washington chose Thomas Jefferson–the idealistic drafter of the Declaration of Independence–as secretary of state.

During Washington’s first administration, Jefferson often came into conflict with Alexander Hamilton, the secretary of the treasury. Jefferson objected to Hamilton’s efforts to strengthen the national government at the expense of the states, and the two men also differed significantly on foreign policy, with Hamilton advocating improved relations with conservative England and Jefferson calling for closer ties with Revolutionary France. Although Washington detested the factional fighting, the disagreements gave rise to the nation’s first political parties: Jefferson’s Democratic-Republicans (the forerunner of the Democratic Party) and Hamilton’s Federalists.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/deadlock-over-presidential-election-ends

 

[g5000]

No Russian Collusion?

Please explain why Trump's campaign manager provided internal campaign polling data to the Russians.

I'll wait here.

 

[g5000]

 

[Lesh]

No Russian Collusion?

Please explain why Trump's campaign manager provided internal campaign polling data to the Russians.

I'll wait here.

You'll be waiting a long time

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

how do you know that?

It's a basic fact that anyone with an even mild interest in this topic knows. Unless they are ignorant, and willfully so. Like you

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

your not liking it THIS TIME doesn't change how we do things.

Who said it did? What is with these nonsensical , gibberish responses?

 

[iceberg]

• In the 773 days to yesterday, Trump has made 9,014 partly or wholly made-up statements according to the Washington Post
• He's started lying more and more frequently with each year of his presidency
• 104 came in one two-hour speech this weekend
• Donald Trump Has Reportedly Racked Up More Than 9,000 Lies Since Taking Office

And that is what bothers me the MOST about him, his lies upon lies upon lies upon lies upon lies.... just unadulterated DECEITFULNESS.

I just can't take the lying, it breaks every rule I was ever taught by my parents, by my church, by my employers etc etc etc

...he makes my skin crawl....

I agree with all that, but he was also elected, so also deserves better treatment than I see from most.
It is like they always want him to fail at everything, forgetting that if he fails, that harms the country.

He was NOT elected by the people, and he does NOT deserve better treatment solely on that basis. Respect is earned and Trump has done NOTHING to earn that respect. He lies, he treats others badly, he demands loyalty but gives none. He says he only hires the "best people" but 30 of them were refused security clearances after being investigated by the FBI and the CIA, and many more lied on their application forms.

Today, we have leaks about behaviour by the President wherein he has tried to fire Mueller, has tried to subvert investigations by the SDNY, and Whittaker LIED to Congress about all of this. I'm really looking forward to that smug asshole being charged with "Lying to Congress".

When Trump stops using "insult diplomacy"; when he stops declaring friendly nations as "security threats" to over reach his authority to slap tariffs on your trading partners, and a "national emergency" as an end around to Congressional Authority to build a wall, and when he stops LYING every time he opens his mouth, he might earn some modicum of respect, but as long as he calls Kim, Putin and Erdogan as his besties, you've got a big fat problem with him every getting respect from anyone.

he was elected by the same process that brought us obama, clinton and every other president before him.

your not liking it THIS TIME doesn't change how we do things.

get over yourself.

Actually, that is not quite true Iceberg. The first few elections in our Nation, the Electoral process, created by our founding Fathers, (Madison and Adams) was completely different than it is now...

It is quite interesting how it was done by them, and the History of how the States actually changed the Electoral Process for President and Vice-President. We, (or rather Male, White, landowners) in most states actually voted for Electors, by name, and did not vote for the President and Vice President, with their names on the ballot.... if we voted by popular vote, we voted for the Elector who best represented us. The Electors each had 2 votes, 1 for President, and 1 for vice President...

The whole History of it all, and all the changes made, is really interesting and the link at the bottom is worth going in to and reading, for everyone on this board!

As dictated by Article Two of the Constitution, presidents and vice presidents are elected by “electors,” a group of voters chosen by each state in a manner specified by that state’s legislature. The total number of electors from each state is equal to the number of senators and representatives that state is entitled to in Congress. In the first few presidential elections, these electors were chosen by popular vote, legislative appointment, or a combination of both (by the 1820s, almost all states adopted the practice of choosing electors by popular vote). Each elector voted for two people; at least one of who did not live in their state. The individual receiving the greatest number of votes would be elected president, and the next in line, vice president.

A majority of electors was needed to win election, thus ensuring consensus across states. Because each elector voted twice, it was possible for as many as three candidates to tie with a majority–in which case the House of Representatives was to vote a winner from among the tied candidates. If no majority was achieved in the initial electoral vote, the House was to decide the winner from the top five candidates. In both cases, representatives would not vote individually but by state groups. Each state, no matter what its number of representatives, would be entitled to just one vote, and a majority of these votes was needed to elect a candidate president.

George Washington was unanimously elected, and John Adams–his unofficial running mate–came in second in electoral votes, making him vice president. Both men were conservative and favored a strong federal government as established by the Constitution. To balance his Cabinet with a liberal, and thus maintain the widest possible support for the new American government, Washington chose Thomas Jefferson–the idealistic drafter of the Declaration of Independence–as secretary of state.

During Washington’s first administration, Jefferson often came into conflict with Alexander Hamilton, the secretary of the treasury. Jefferson objected to Hamilton’s efforts to strengthen the national government at the expense of the states, and the two men also differed significantly on foreign policy, with Hamilton advocating improved relations with conservative England and Jefferson calling for closer ties with Revolutionary France. Although Washington detested the factional fighting, the disagreements gave rise to the nation’s first political parties: Jefferson’s Democratic-Republicans (the forerunner of the Democratic Party) and Hamilton’s Federalists.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/deadlock-over-presidential-election-ends

what the fuck ever.

keep digging for whatever you think you need that allows you to deal with such strong hate. hate can make people look stupid and it's got you playing the fool.

unless of course, you're not playing.

 

[playtime]

michael cohen said he had no direct knowledge. that does not mean that there is no collusion. actually there is no 'collusion'.... it's 'conspiracy to defraud the united states'.

nice try, but it doesn't fly & your spin just won't be cutting it today.

 

[jc456]

how do you know that?

It's a basic fact that anyone with an even mild interest in this topic knows. Unless they are ignorant, and willfully so. Like you

how do you know that?

It's a basic fact that anyone with an even mild interest in this topic knows. Unless they are ignorant, and willfully so. Like you

well you should know that when he made that statement, hitlery's server confiscated years before. they weren't active when trump suggested russia go find them. you're truly confused.

 

[jc456]

michael cohen said he had no direct knowledge. that does not mean that there is no collusion. actually there is no 'collusion'.... it's 'conspiracy to defraud the united states'.

nice try, but it doesn't fly & your spin just won't be cutting it today.

I love how you leftists move goal posts.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

well you should know that when he made that statement, hitlery's server confiscated years before.

Not the same server. This was already explained earlier in the thread. Go waste someone else's time.

 

[playtime]

michael cohen said he had no direct knowledge. that does not mean that there is no collusion. actually there is no 'collusion'.... it's 'conspiracy to defraud the united states'.

nice try, but it doesn't fly & your spin just won't be cutting it today.

I love how you leftists move goal posts.

that was verbatim.