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5th Ave. Syndrome.It's too bad President Trump didn't know someone that could have declassified those documents.
Ya know, I think the shit-eating rodents got him this time. Something about the 3,612th time... I was dreading it.
YOU.STUPID.FUCKING.SHEEP™
DJT is playing 4D chess while you slimy fucks are playing "wrong hole!" with each other. Enjoy the game.
More 5th Ave SyndromeIt’s declassified.
Sure he does. Or, at least that’s what he did. I’m sure your objection is duly noted … somewhere.
So you think. But, try to follow along here: you’re wrong.
So our maintain. But your notion doesn’t make it a fact.
Once again for you libtard cultists; if you were to limit your commentary to saying how it should be done, you’d have a point. But you seem to instead imagine that your baseless declarations somehow convert what Trump did into something he couldn’t do. You remain wrong.
What he did was Sloppy practice. That I grant. But so what? He still did it.
The stuff was declassified, there is evidence for that assertion,
and it was claimed long before the raid.
The USSC disagrees with you.No, the Security of the Country takes precedence. Illegally handling Classified Material is a threat to the Nation's Safety. The Freedom of Speech is no way threatend, nor is what happened at Shit-A-Lago Freedom of Speech Issue.
Nope. It just has to have been declassified. And there is evidence of that which was known to the FBI and the DOJ long before the raid.Yes, there has to be some record of it.
To declassify it.If not then what is the point even?
Normally? Or just in this instance? Normally, you’d be right. That’s why ordinarily there is a procedure for noting such declassification. But in this case, the President made his determination. That’s what’s controlling. Who cares if you know it or not?How is anyone supposed to know if something is declassified or not?
I’m happy for you. But you’re still ignorant. He need not be above the law. When the President declassifies a document, it’s declassified. The rest is ministerial. He can issue or cause to be issued specific procedures in the normal course of business for such things. Those are for his subordinates. He remains free and authorized to declassify such documents as he sees fit regardless of such procedure.I spent many a year working with classified document, to include being a Secondary Control Point Custodian for the 1st Marine Aircraft Wing. I know the rules and the procedures. The president is not above the law, he is not a god.
I did previously. Kash Patel said so. And the DOJ acknowledged as much before the raid.Can you provide that evidence?
Irrelevant. What is relevant was the declassification before his term ended.But was it claimed prior to leaving the White House?
It was the USSC who said it.Can you first show me in the US Constitution where it talks about classified documents?
If the information is “declassified” then the government (which Trump was in charge of) had a duty to release that information to the public under the law.Wrong. He unilaterally can declare a classified document “declassified,” and this imposes on him no duty to release anything.
I did previously. Kash Patel said so. And the DOJ acknowledged as much before re raid.
What is relevant was the declassification before his term ended.
It was the USSC who said it.
Navy vs. Egan (1988)
When a top secret set of papers is first MARKED as classified, it gets so marked and those cool file folder covers are used.
In this case, when the President declassified them, those markings and cool file folder covers didn’t magically get changed. That doesn’t determine if they were still classified, though. What does is the Presidential direction that they are now declassified.
The DOJ is blowing smoke.
study.com
Wrong. You CHOOSE not to believe it. And I understand that. But your disbelief doesn’t control. The stuff was declassified, there is evidence for that assertion, and it was claimed long before the raid.
You show no understanding of how our Classification system worksIt’s declassified.
Sure he does. Or, at least that’s what he did. I’m sure your objection is duly noted … somewhere.
So you think. But, try to follow along here: you’re wrong.
So our maintain. But your notion doesn’t make it a fact.
Once again for you libtard cultists; if you were to limit your commentary to saying how it should be done, you’d have a point. But you seem to instead imagine that your baseless declarations somehow convert what Trump did into something he couldn’t do. You remain wrong.
What he did was Sloppy practice. That I grant. But so what? He still did it.
Hey Dodo, MAY have moved, hidden? You mean they don't even know for sure and couldn't tell?Trump team may have hidden, moved
Seems rather odd doesn't it that the FBI should stop to lay out all these important top secret documents on Trump's bedroom floor to take a picture of them? Ever see that done before? How did these agents have the necessary clearance to see and photograph top secrets? Seems rather staged and contrived to me.Among the most incriminating details in the government filing is a photograph, showing a number of files labeled “Top Secret”
Trump must have left them there while out of town, eh? Too bad, there was no one else in the house to tell us what really happened! The way handled, the FBI could have brought a half-eaten Entenmanns coffee cake there and said Donald stole that too.Those files were found inside a container in Trump’s office, according to the court filing.
Do you have a high resolution blow up that we can all see?A close examination of one of the cover sheets in the photo shows a marking for “HCS,” a government acronym for systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources.
So then either the stuff wasn't there or the FBI needs to talk to this custodian.The 36-page filing also reveals, for the first time, the text of a written assurance given to the Justice Department by Trump’s “custodian of records” on June 3. It says Trump’s team had done a thorough search for any classified material in response to a subpoena and had turned over any relevant documents.
In one of the frequent congressional grillingss of Rod Rosenstein he was asked whether he would release Russia investigation documents if the president declassified them and ordered their release.If the information is “declassified” then the government (which Trump was in charge of) had a duty to release that information to the public under the law.
I don't know if reasonable doubt can be reached merely by Trump saying he did so. I don't think it's particularly reasonable to think that he actually wanted all those documents he had squirreled away to become public information, which is what declassification would actually mean. These were top secret government documents including human sources and spy satellite data. Disclosure of the information in these documents (which seems most likely to be contemporary information, not historical) would be basically unprecedented. Doing so without notification of anyone until after the raid seems a little too convenient to be true.I'm again impressed that you offer a real argument. Golfing Gator this is how you yourself used to debate before Trump Derangement got the better of you. I hope you'll snap out of it soon.
Two answers:
1) Trump would not have to prove he declassified the documents. He would only need to raise reasonable doubt that they were still classified.
2) that assumes there would ever be a trial. I doubt the DOJ wants a trial. They're not that stupid. I believe that their goal is for Garland to pull a well-timed Comey on Trump by announcing announcing no prosecution after a lengthy recitation of his supposed crimes. That way they can assassinate his character without his having a chance to defend himself.
It was foul when Comey did that to Hillary and Trump was right to fire him for it.
That's their position but I doubt it is what they believe. To a lawyer, that isn't lying, its advocating.
That would be Christina Bobb, Trump's lawyer.So then either the stuff wasn't there or the FBI needs to talk to this custodian.
Just show us the process in the law or the regulations.You show no understanding of how our Classification system works
It is a detailed process to classify and declassify information.
It is the informations that is Classified, not the document.
For Trump to declassify information from Top Secret to unclassified is unprecedented and cannot be done lightly
It has Nationwide security implications
Wrong. He said it back in May. And the DOJ acknowledged having heard that contention in their application for the search warrant. I’ve previously listed proof of both of those points.He did not say so till after the search.
You don’t know who else knew of it.He spoke of a policy that nobody else in the White House knew about
Again, you’re are clearly wrong. Even the DOJ told the judge about it before getting the search warrant signed.and that did not become public till after the search.
Wrong again. You don’t care for the FACT that evidence existed prior to the raid. You may disbelieve Patel. But your assertions are nevertheless demonstrably false. Again.That is the claim, to which there is no evidence...thus the quandary we are now in.
So basically the DOJ claims itself left documents there making themselves guilty of the fake charges they are displacing . BECAUSE THEY HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO RETRIEVE THE DOCUMENTS WHEN THEY WERE THERE, their leaving them makes them guilty-oops.Among the most incriminating details in the government filing is a photograph, showing a number of files labeled “Top Secret” with bright red or yellow cover sheets, spread out over a carpet. Those files were found inside a container in Trump’s office, according to the court filing. A close examination of one of the cover sheets in the photo shows a marking for “HCS,” a government acronym for systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources.
The 36-page filing also reveals, for the first time, the text of a written assurance given to the Justice Department by Trump’s “custodian of records” on June 3. It says Trump’s team had done a thorough search for any classified material in response to a subpoena and had turned over any relevant documents.
Trump team may have hidden, moved classified papers, Justice Dept. says — The Washington Post
In response to the Justice Department filing, lawyers for Donald Trump say prosecutors “significantly mischaracterized” some of their interactions with Trump’s representatives.apple.news
