No Special Master As DOJ Drops Bombshell 40 Page Ruling Obstruction By Trump Team

[Harpy Eagle]

Not to mention storing that box at Mara Lago with unsecured guests and foreign visitors

you know, when Trump said this people thought he was just being flippant. Damn, how well did he know his cult members?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Now think about the president having the authority to classify information.

Can the president order something "classified", without letting anybody know, save the AG, who now goes around locking people up for possessing classified information.

Decent question but no. There would be no criminal intent since the person didn't know. Just like Trump had no criminal intent since he declassified the documents.

Suppose the president told his staff that he declassified the FBI blackmail files on MLK. Is it a crime to release them absent some process that is not spelled out in any law?

He actually did reclassify the Crossfire Hurricane documents but the FBI refused to release them. Would it be a crime for Trump to release them? If they are among the files the Raiders took, should the special master give them back to Trump?

 

[rightwinger]

didn’t bring up documentation. None required.

That is probably the dumbest thing you ever posted

We are talking TOP SECRET information
Information that is crucial to our nations security
Information that is dangerous if our enemies see it

Yet, in your world, Trump can just declassify it without having to tell anyone

In your world, how does Trump go about declassifying Top Secret so that every user knows they can now release it?

 

[Foolardi]

Not to mention storing that box at Mara Lago with unsecured guests and foreign visitors

At least we KNOW where they are.Where are All Obama's
Docs { classified and unclassifed. } Somewhere in or around Chicago.
I doubt every last one is in some special vault in his Monstrous
Presidential Library.But we don't know because Obama will NEVER
as much as be pestered about it.There's the difference.
Obama and Hillary get treated with Kid Gloves while Trump
is treated with the Latest Junkyard Car crushing machine in the
state.

 

[BackAgain]

Funny, he said they were all declassified. All the docs he took. Now you can't even keep his lies straight.

You’re the asshole who keeps making shut up about what he “said.” He declassified the documents — according to Patel — which he was taking to Mar A Lago. How many prior documents had he taken to his Florida residence over his first term? I don’t know. Neither do you.

Maybe some of them were classified and were not the subject of his subsequent declassification order. Your problem is that you can’t keep your own lies or other alleged “thoughts” straight.

Notice he isn't telling his lie in court. He's just feeding it to his moron cult. The rest of the world laughs at it and you.

He hasn’t lied at all. Certainly nothing you’ve claimed is a lie. Nothing you can substantiate. And he hasn’t even changed any story.

Sorry whiners,

It’s funny to see you apologizing to yourself.

Trump and his big idiot mouth have castrated all of your talking points.

Nothing said by Trump is contradictory, in any of this. Your trouble is that you make grandiose claims out of thin air (or based on your own misconception about what has been said). You are very much an imbecile. But you have no ability to persuade.

 

[rightwinger]

That’s ^ certainly a stupid sentence. His say so was the official act, you imbecile.

How does the rest of the country find out what Trumps ”say so” is without a formal declassification being issued?

 

[rightwinger]

I do claim that he can declassify. And I do claim that he did. His say so suffices despite your unsupported quibbles.

if he did, there would be a record somewhere that it had been done

This is not his order for McDonalds, this is an order to declassify Top Secret information.
It is not done flippantly

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How does the rest of the country find out what Trumps ”say so” is without a formal declassification being issued?

Weird how this "because he said so, even though nobody heard him" only works for classified documents.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

His say so suffices

Why?

 

[skews13]

Where do you get the idea that there aren't lawyers with security clearances or that they'd be too busy to work on a case of this importance?

These guys I found in less than a minute:

gibsondunn.com

Plus you forget we're talking about declassified not classified documents here.

What were talking about here is the property of the United States of America.

Nothing that is the property of Donald Trump.

Who did not then, and does not now have the power to declassify anything.

And even when he was still in office, has no power to declassify SCI level material.

There is nobody in that Florida courthouse that has the power to decide anything regarding the material.

The DOJ has honored the courts request for a motion, and should now take the material back to Washington, as there is no enforcement mechanism the court has.

Donald Trump and his attorneys are toothless dogs with no power.

This is over. It’s just a matter of time for everyone else that hasn’t figured that fact out yet to get a clue.

 

[BackAgain]

How does the rest of the country find out what Trumps ”say so” is without a formal declassification being issued?

The ^ “question” is beside the point. If he hadn’t declassified the documents, the rest of the country would neither know nor care. And the fact that he did declassify some documents and it may not have been promptly known to the “rest of the country,” remains something they likely neither know nor care about.

I mean, stop huffing and puffing. You don’t know when any classified documents have been declassified except n very rare circumstances like when the government allows us to learn tidbits about rhe JFK assassination and about some military UFO videos.

 

[rightwinger]

No. If he said so, they were declassified. If additional paperwork wasn’t completed, that doesn’t change the fact that he had declassified them.

Can you explain how this process works in your mind?

Trump wants to take Top Secret Documents home, so he just says……These documents are now declassified

What happens next?

 

[BackAgain]

if he did, there would be a record somewhere that it had been done

Not necessarily. He declassified those documents yet apparently there was a failure to create the record. It doesn’t change what he did: he declassified.

This is not his order for McDonalds, this is an order to declassify Top Secret information.

And?

It is not done flippantly

Not normally. But if this one was kind of rushed, last minute and a bit haphazardly, so what! Declassified is still declassified.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If he hadn’t declassified the documents, the rest of the country would neither know nor care

Those of us who do not worship him do care that he kept them at his house

 

[BackAgain]

Why?

Because he was, at the time, the Chief Executive.

 

[rightwinger]

Not necessarily. He declassified those documents yet apparently there was a failure to create the record. It doesn’t change what he did: he declassified.

And?

Not normally. But if this one was kind of rushed, last minute and a bit haphazardly, so what! Declassified is still declassified.

Explain how the process would work once Trump says……Declassify this

Your version makes no sense

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Because he was, at the time, the Chief Executive.

But he did not say at the time he had done so. He did not say he had till he was no longer the Chief Executive, and when his ass could be on the line if he does not say that he did it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Explain how the process would work once Trump says……Declassify this

Your version makes no’s sense

To them there is no process after that, nothing else matters to them.

 

[BackAgain]

Can you explain how this process works in your mind?

The process isn’t a thing that occurs in my mind. And your question continues to show that you’re unable to distinguish the way the process may ordinarily take place from how it may have taken place here.

Trump wants to take Top Secret Documents home, so he just says……These documents are now declassified

Ok. That works.

What happens next?

What does happen or what ordinarily should happen? Two different questions.

What apparently did happen was that he proceeded to take home the now declassified documents. Ordinarily, there would have been some record keeping entries made, it seems. And evidently, here, for whatever reason or reasons, those entries weren’t made.

So what? For, again, and either way, the previously classified documents were no longer classified.

 

[BackAgain]

But he did not say at the time he had done so.

He did not ”say” what?

He did not say he had till he was no longer the Chief Executive,

He said it then, when he was still President. That suffices.

and when his ass could be on the line if he does not say that he did it.

He declassified it when he declassified it. That you didn’t learn about it at that time is of no import. I doubt you know about any documents he declassified from the first day of his Administration. Again. So what?