Oath Keeper unable to cope with being jailed.

[Correll]

Sounds like he fucked around and found out.

that conservative rioters get treated very differently that lefty brownshirts.

I think they should be all held accountable for their crimes.

But they are not. Many are being let go. That makes it unequal application of justice. That makes it an INJUSTICE and a violation of his rights.

That’s a shame if true.

Feds quietly dismiss dozens of Portland protest cases

KGW found 31 of 90 protest cases have been dismissed by the U.S. Department of Justice, despite warnings there would be “consequences for acts of violence."

www.kgw.com

From the article: “ In a recent interview with KGW, Williams explained the cases were dismissed in instances where prosecutors didn’t believe they could prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Looks like they’re focusing on the ones they believe they can actually convict. Makes sense to me.

Ideally, anyone who commuted a crime would be convicted for said crime.

Oh, you expected them to admit that they were letting them go because of the rioters were of the right political side?


Did you read further where they said that they expect to be dismissing a lot more soon? Or that the state that normally handles these crimes, just refused to, to "save resources for more serious crimes".?


Unequal application of the law, is an injustice and a violation of the rights of those being targeted.


Those who end up serving time, after such a political prosecution, will literally be political prisoners.

That's just your unsupported opinion that they're playing favorites. I'm fine with letting the authorities handle these matters.

Your trust in the government to not play favorites, even while they obviously are, is not a good thing.

I trust the input of the experts who deal with these matters over your uneducated input on the matter.

So, as long as the dems remember to clearly state, that they have a good reason for their actions, they get your support.


GOt it.

Did the article say that it was Dems who did this or are you just lying?

You don't have to answer that. I already know.

The Trump administration fought to gain control of hte riots, they took steps to arrest rioters..

Biden wins, and suddenly the charges are just fading away.

Your inability to see the obvious, is not a good trait.

Notice that you lied and you didn't even bother to attempt to show otherwise.

YOur support of political prosecutions and imprisonment of republicans, is clear. Me spending time tracking down the party registration of the mentioned officials, is not going to change your mind.

Poor Republicans. Always the victim.

NOt always. But these days, quite often.


Politically motivated prosecutions means the result is a political prisoner.

America is not really a free country anymore.

Politically motivated seditionists/insurrectionists, results in criminal arrests.

You people are letting lefty rioters go, and going after righty rioters were a vengeance.


That makes them political prisoners.


YOur denial is irrelevant.

 

[Orangecat]

*I'm* butt-hurt.

Obviously. You can't let go of the humiliation of another thread from days ago, dickweed. Lulz.

 

[pknopp]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I noted awhile back that I knew one of the guys arrested. He got bail and didn't have to put up a penny.

 

[Oldestyle]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

 

[Oldestyle]

So you admit

I admit nothing, you fool. You don't get to put words in people's mouths.

he's not a flight risk nor does he have a criminal record..

Then he will get his due process.

.but you claim he shouldn't be eligible for bail because he is charged with Federal crimes?

If it were up to me, he'd be in a box for the rest of his wretched existence because of the nature of federal crimes for which he's convicted. Fortunately for the perp in question, it's not up to me, you tedious moron.

Liberal rioters that were charged with damaging Federal property got bail...why was this man denied it?

Who knows, asshole. Certainly not us. Maybe because 'they' have a stronger cause than 'you' do right now. Maybe their cause is more palatable to the majority of society. Perhaps normal Americans simply tire of the natural entitlement 'causes' Qult45 snowflake Karen pieces of shit invent these days.

If he's not a flight risk and has no priors then his "due process" should have been being released on bail! My point is that he DIDN'T receive his due process...he was singled out and denied that due process!

 

[Oldestyle]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

If it were reversed you'd have no problem of course! Typical White guy who thinks he should be able to do whatever TF he wants with no consequences! If a Black or Mexican person jaywalks, you want their voting rights taken away! Very typical of this country and the a-holes who run it! Heaven knows it isn't as equal as we BS the world with!

As I stated earlier EVERYONE should be concerned when American's are not longer receiving equal protection under the law and that includes myself! It's wrong if it's liberals that are receiving preferential treatment...it's wrong if conservatives are receiving preferential treatment! You can't grant bail for one group and then deny it for another for the same crime.

Americans have NEVER had equal protection under the law. But to equate what happened on January 6th with the racial unrest last summer is WRONG. They are NOT THE SAME CRIME. Not even in the same ballpark.

I couldn't agree more! The riots that took place all last year were far more destructive than the very brief riot at the Capital! They really AREN'T in the same ballpark...yet the left is trying to claim that they shook American democracy to it's very core!!!!! Which is laughable! Congress was back in session in chambers the very next day!

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

So you admit

I admit nothing, you fool. You don't get to put words in people's mouths.

he's not a flight risk nor does he have a criminal record..

Then he will get his due process.

.but you claim he shouldn't be eligible for bail because he is charged with Federal crimes?

If it were up to me, he'd be in a box for the rest of his wretched existence because of the nature of federal crimes for which he's convicted. Fortunately for the perp in question, it's not up to me, you tedious moron.

Liberal rioters that were charged with damaging Federal property got bail...why was this man denied it?

Who knows, asshole. Certainly not us. Maybe because 'they' have a stronger cause than 'you' do right now. Maybe their cause is more palatable to the majority of society. Perhaps normal Americans simply tire of the natural entitlement 'causes' Qult45 snowflake Karen pieces of shit invent these days.

If he's not a flight risk and has no priors then his "due process" should have been being released on bail! My point is that he DIDN'T receive his due process...he was singled out and denied that due process!

Good. Fuck him.

 

[Oldestyle]

So you admit

I admit nothing, you fool. You don't get to put words in people's mouths.

he's not a flight risk nor does he have a criminal record..

Then he will get his due process.

.but you claim he shouldn't be eligible for bail because he is charged with Federal crimes?

If it were up to me, he'd be in a box for the rest of his wretched existence because of the nature of federal crimes for which he's convicted. Fortunately for the perp in question, it's not up to me, you tedious moron.

Liberal rioters that were charged with damaging Federal property got bail...why was this man denied it?

Who knows, asshole. Certainly not us. Maybe because 'they' have a stronger cause than 'you' do right now. Maybe their cause is more palatable to the majority of society. Perhaps normal Americans simply tire of the natural entitlement 'causes' Qult45 snowflake Karen pieces of shit invent these days.

If he's not a flight risk and has no priors then his "due process" should have been being released on bail! My point is that he DIDN'T receive his due process...he was singled out and denied that due process!

Good. Fuck him.

You do realize that depriving any group that's not in power of it's due process rights simply invites them to do the same to you when YOU'RE not in power? Fuck him? Remember that when it's YOUR turn to get bent over!

 

[Fiero425]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

If it were reversed you'd have no problem of course! Typical White guy who thinks he should be able to do whatever TF he wants with no consequences! If a Black or Mexican person jaywalks, you want their voting rights taken away! Very typical of this country and the a-holes who run it! Heaven knows it isn't as equal as we BS the world with!

As I stated earlier EVERYONE should be concerned when American's are not longer receiving equal protection under the law and that includes myself! It's wrong if it's liberals that are receiving preferential treatment...it's wrong if conservatives are receiving preferential treatment! You can't grant bail for one group and then deny it for another for the same crime.

Americans have NEVER had equal protection under the law. But to equate what happened on January 6th with the racial unrest last summer is WRONG. They are NOT THE SAME CRIME. Not even in the same ballpark.

I couldn't agree more! The riots that took place all last year were far more destructive than the very brief riot at the Capital! They really AREN'T in the same ballpark...yet the left is trying to claim that they shook American democracy to it's very core!!!!! Which is laughable! Congress was back in session in chambers the very next day!

Wrong Troglodyte, Congress was back in session that night to finish what they started! The election was certified notwithstanding objections of Cruz and Hawley! It didn't stop Republican Party from embarrassing themselves and the country further by continuing to propagate that LIE about voter fraud, making out Trump was robbed! I pray no one w/b stupid enough to say something like that to my face; I might lose it!

 

[otto105]

I have a few points to make here.

“The psychological burdens of being detained pending trial are very real for Mr. Young. Since he has no previous experience with the criminal justice system, being detained is taking an extremely high toll on his mental well-being,” the motion stated. “Prior to being detained, Mr. Young was a mentally strong and stable person with no history of mental disorders. His current emotional and psychological state is owing entirely to the fact that he has been detained and is unable to rely upon his normal social support systems. Because he is such a strong family man, locking him up away from his wife and children with the prospect of an extremely long period of time before trial is even scheduled is causing potentially irreparable psychological and emotional damage to Mr. Young.”

Oath Keeper Who Stormed Capitol Is Struggling to Cope Because He’s a ‘Family Man’ with ‘No Previous Experience’ Being Jailed, Lawyers Claim

First this goes back to a point I've made many times. Those who have can not in the end defeat those who do not have. By and large those who have are not going to do well being held accountable for their actions while those without are used to it.

BUT, what we see here is also something that bothers me on many levels.

Young’s attorneys also claimed that deleting his Facebook page—where he posted photos and videos of the insurrection—did not amount to obstruction of justice because he was unaware that the FBI had opened an active investigation into him personally.

The government is charging him with deleting his Facebook page. Now in the end I expect this charge to be dropped but it's a common tactic of law enforcement. Charge someone with all kinds of things to get them to simply plead guilty to a few. That needs to stop. I see this as little different than what Sidney Powell is being sued over. Filing charges (or lawsuits) that have no merit.

I also note in thread after thread where police officers are rarely charged when they delete their video. It's never reasonable to expect that an officer doesn't realize that is deleting evidence.

But one does also have to chuckle at his lawyer arguing his "strong character". LOL

Attorneys for Young on Monday filed a motion seeking to have the initial bond ruling vacated, arguing that the Government lacked sufficient evidence to hold Young on the charges, and cited to his “strong character” and the “psychological burdens” Young had endured during his first ever prison stint as reasons why he should be released.

If he couldn’t do the time he should not have done the crime.

 

[Fiero425]

I have a few points to make here.

“The psychological burdens of being detained pending trial are very real for Mr. Young. Since he has no previous experience with the criminal justice system, being detained is taking an extremely high toll on his mental well-being,” the motion stated. “Prior to being detained, Mr. Young was a mentally strong and stable person with no history of mental disorders. His current emotional and psychological state is owing entirely to the fact that he has been detained and is unable to rely upon his normal social support systems. Because he is such a strong family man, locking him up away from his wife and children with the prospect of an extremely long period of time before trial is even scheduled is causing potentially irreparable psychological and emotional damage to Mr. Young.”

Oath Keeper Who Stormed Capitol Is Struggling to Cope Because He’s a ‘Family Man’ with ‘No Previous Experience’ Being Jailed, Lawyers Claim

First this goes back to a point I've made many times. Those who have can not in the end defeat those who do not have. By and large those who have are not going to do well being held accountable for their actions while those without are used to it.

BUT, what we see here is also something that bothers me on many levels.

Young’s attorneys also claimed that deleting his Facebook page—where he posted photos and videos of the insurrection—did not amount to obstruction of justice because he was unaware that the FBI had opened an active investigation into him personally.

The government is charging him with deleting his Facebook page. Now in the end I expect this charge to be dropped but it's a common tactic of law enforcement. Charge someone with all kinds of things to get them to simply plead guilty to a few. That needs to stop. I see this as little different than what Sidney Powell is being sued over. Filing charges (or lawsuits) that have no merit.

I also note in thread after thread where police officers are rarely charged when they delete their video. It's never reasonable to expect that an officer doesn't realize that is deleting evidence.

But one does also have to chuckle at his lawyer arguing his "strong character". LOL

Attorneys for Young on Monday filed a motion seeking to have the initial bond ruling vacated, arguing that the Government lacked sufficient evidence to hold Young on the charges, and cited to his “strong character” and the “psychological burdens” Young had endured during his first ever prison stint as reasons why he should be released.

If he couldn’t do the time he should not have done the crime.

Isn't that what these a-holes are usually saying of the poor and downtrodden? Typical, they're all talk and absolutely "no substance!" They're truly pathetic to keep up this fight that all things are fair when they aren't, but only complain when they're inconvenienced!

 

[White 6]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

Screw you. Shrill is a quality of sound not typed response. If you don't like it put me on IGNORE or don't bother reading. I don't care about you sensibilities as it's my opinion, not yours. I'm a wood guy by civilian training and 26 years plus experience. I could have made it work and so could they, even if it caused death by twisting in the wind rather than snapping the neck. Point is, it was usable and wrong to do it. The fact you can't build shit, or steady the legs has no bearing on me or even the average carpenter. That's why you hire trained people to build things and I build things myself because I know how and used to train train other people. I didn't compare to the BLM (warning false buzzword used) because that would be apples to oranges. You think I gave a damn about those idiots in towns where they elected official who would not even request Guard troops on the streets to control that crap? I don't. That is for you as your issue to tell and enforce how those morons live and control their cities. You don't hear of it in Tennessee cities or the state putting up with it, do you? Homey don't play that, and this homey doesn't care if that's the way you want to live or not way over there. If normal people over there don't like it, they can take it up with their mayors and governors or applaud while you whine about it for them or by gosh move to more intelligent states. You can leave me out of it. I'm pretty much a state's rule kind of guy. I remember when republicans were all in favor of safeguarding state's rights to rule their state and the states passed laws to do that very thing.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

So you admit

I admit nothing, you fool. You don't get to put words in people's mouths.

he's not a flight risk nor does he have a criminal record..

Then he will get his due process.

.but you claim he shouldn't be eligible for bail because he is charged with Federal crimes?

If it were up to me, he'd be in a box for the rest of his wretched existence because of the nature of federal crimes for which he's convicted. Fortunately for the perp in question, it's not up to me, you tedious moron.

Liberal rioters that were charged with damaging Federal property got bail...why was this man denied it?

Who knows, asshole. Certainly not us. Maybe because 'they' have a stronger cause than 'you' do right now. Maybe their cause is more palatable to the majority of society. Perhaps normal Americans simply tire of the natural entitlement 'causes' Qult45 snowflake Karen pieces of shit invent these days.

If he's not a flight risk and has no priors then his "due process" should have been being released on bail! My point is that he DIDN'T receive his due process...he was singled out and denied that due process!

Good. Fuck him.

You do realize that depriving any group that's not in power of it's due process rights simply invites them to do the same to you when YOU'RE not in power? Fuck him? Remember that when it's YOUR turn to get bent over!

Never happen, because I don't break laws like these Qult45 fucking ingrates. He got his due process. And in that due process, the judge ultimately denied the perp bail. What a fucking tragedy.

 

[otto105]

I have a few points to make here.

“The psychological burdens of being detained pending trial are very real for Mr. Young. Since he has no previous experience with the criminal justice system, being detained is taking an extremely high toll on his mental well-being,” the motion stated. “Prior to being detained, Mr. Young was a mentally strong and stable person with no history of mental disorders. His current emotional and psychological state is owing entirely to the fact that he has been detained and is unable to rely upon his normal social support systems. Because he is such a strong family man, locking him up away from his wife and children with the prospect of an extremely long period of time before trial is even scheduled is causing potentially irreparable psychological and emotional damage to Mr. Young.”

Oath Keeper Who Stormed Capitol Is Struggling to Cope Because He’s a ‘Family Man’ with ‘No Previous Experience’ Being Jailed, Lawyers Claim

First this goes back to a point I've made many times. Those who have can not in the end defeat those who do not have. By and large those who have are not going to do well being held accountable for their actions while those without are used to it.

BUT, what we see here is also something that bothers me on many levels.

Young’s attorneys also claimed that deleting his Facebook page—where he posted photos and videos of the insurrection—did not amount to obstruction of justice because he was unaware that the FBI had opened an active investigation into him personally.

The government is charging him with deleting his Facebook page. Now in the end I expect this charge to be dropped but it's a common tactic of law enforcement. Charge someone with all kinds of things to get them to simply plead guilty to a few. That needs to stop. I see this as little different than what Sidney Powell is being sued over. Filing charges (or lawsuits) that have no merit.

I also note in thread after thread where police officers are rarely charged when they delete their video. It's never reasonable to expect that an officer doesn't realize that is deleting evidence.

But one does also have to chuckle at his lawyer arguing his "strong character". LOL

Attorneys for Young on Monday filed a motion seeking to have the initial bond ruling vacated, arguing that the Government lacked sufficient evidence to hold Young on the charges, and cited to his “strong character” and the “psychological burdens” Young had endured during his first ever prison stint as reasons why he should be released.

If he couldn’t do the time he should not have done the crime.

Isn't that what these a-holes are usually saying of the poor and downtrodden? Typical, they're all talk and absolutely "no substance!" They're truly pathetic to keep up this fight that all things are fair when they aren't, but only complain when they're inconvenienced!

Hammer meet nail. Nice post

 

[Crepitus]

*I'm* butt-hurt.

Obviously. You can't let go of the humiliation of another thread from days ago, dickweed. Lulz.

Lol, Fluffer thinks *I'm* the one who got humiliated!!

 

[Orangecat]

*I'm* butt-hurt.

Obviously. You can't let go of the humiliation of another thread from days ago, dickweed. Lulz.

Lol, Fluffer thinks *I'm* the one who got humiliated!!

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Poor Closet-Queer-Crepitus, still in denial.

 

[lennypartiv]

You didn't see the insurrection?

Because there was a stolen election.

 

[initforme]

How does ones emotions overtake them over an issue that means next to nothing to 99.99999 percent of the nation? Not worth the fight.

 

[otto105]

You didn't see the insurrection?

Because there was a stolen election.

Stolen election?

Was it like a brinks job? Or more like Guru on Despicable Me?

Oh, shit maybe he used a shrink ray on it!!!!

 

[Crepitus]

*I'm* butt-hurt.

Obviously. You can't let go of the humiliation of another thread from days ago, dickweed. Lulz.

Lol, Fluffer thinks *I'm* the one who got humiliated!!

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Poor Closet-Queer-Crepitus, still in denial.

Vladimir must be very pleased with you. You're like the energizer bunny.