Andylusion
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so now you're tap dancing ... you said obama cause debt by passing tarp and the budget bill ... that implies that its a debt to the country... by you saying he passed these bills you were claiming they weren't paid back ...yes you emplied they weren't paid back ... along with the koolaid remark over me saying the got paid back you tired to push it wasn't paid back ... my answer to you, yes you claimed it wasn't paid back you claimed that it was a debt ... I clearly asked for what bill did obama sign into law that caused a debt and you listed the tarp bills ... the fac t that you lost that debt now you're tap dancing around what you implied ...I never said obama didn't spend any money ....I clearly said obama has spent lessnmoney then any president to date ... all you republicans come out of the wood work trying to say he caused trillions of dollars of debt where I have shown you that statement is incorrect ... spending money for the country that is paid for doesn't become a debt ... thats something you fail to see ...if the money you spend gets paid for, and then some, that is not a debt ... again I never said or implied that obama never spent money ... I said he spent the least amountP.Sreally you want to go their ??? ok Under Bush the tarp bill was passed by Bush ... under Obama he added to that bill for it to be paid back ... explain to us here how paying back borrowed money and getting interest becomes a debt??? still laughing at you .... according to the CBO and the government that money has been paid back with interest ... so again I ask you what bill or bills did obama sign into law that has caused 10 trillion dollars of debt I'll waitSo then why aren't you counting the second TARP bill and Obama's military spending?
So that's all Obama signed, that the money was to be paid back? That's all he signed? The money is to be paid back? And Obama carrying on a war for FIVE years beyond W doesn't make him responsible for any of the bills?
You haven't answered the question, the kool-aid, does it give you a buzz or just numb your sensations?
so are you saying none of the tarp money was paid back ...is this your statement here ??? because I did list ever regulation in the bill you want us to believe I've drank too much koolaid to believe the tarp bill was paid back ...is this your contention here??? or are you just spewing right wing nut job non-sense
Where did I say "none" of it was paid back? Typical liberal, you take every statement, take it to the complete extreme then debate that strawman.
So you're saying Obama spent no money? He hasn't spent a dime since he became President, just paid down debt?
You don't even get it, do you?
Once again, as we've said numerous times, he didn't "spend the least amount". He INCREASED SPENDING... the least. But he still INCREASED SPENDING.
The 2008 Budget was $2.9 Trillion.
The 2011 Budget was $3.6 Trillion.
He has spent less..... compared to whom? Certainly not Bush. Or Clinton, or Bush Sr, or Reagan, or Carter, or any previous president in US history.
The *RATE OF SPENDING INCREASE* has been less.... but that's because he screwed up the economy. Not because he was somehow restrained.
And again, it doesn't matter. The entire purpose of spending less, is to avoid deficits and debt. If you spend less, but manage to triple the deficit and debt, what value did it have? If Obama was CEO of GM, they'd be bankrupt again.
And lastly, yes, technically the bailouts were paided back. But that's because government managed to conceal all the losses. EconTalk had a show about this, with Neil Barofsky. Neil was a member of the Federal regulators who audited the bailouts.
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You can read or listen to the show here.
The government didn't include AIG in the "bank bailouts" because AIG wasn't part of TARP. They lost a ton of money on AIG. They also didn't include Allied Financial and similar banks, because they we not 'banks', they were part of GMAC. It was the auto bailout, not bank. Thus it wasn't included.
They also ignored the fact that many of the banks paid back the TARP loans, with other government loans under different programs. Thus X Bank, borrows $10 Billion from TARP. Then borrows $12 Billion from the "Small Business Loan Administration".
X Bank takes the $12 Billion, and pays back TARP, and some guy on the internet says "Look we made a profit!". DUH......
No we didn't.
Further, did you know the Federal Reserve was giving out loan guarantees?
So X Bank makes a bad loan. The Federal Reserve then gives a loan Guarantee. If the loan does not default, X Bank makes a profit. If the loan Defaults, X Bank has the Federal Reserve pay them back in full, and the Tax Payers cover the cost.
Of Course X Bank with zero to lose, and everything to gain, makes a profit, and pays back the TARP loans, and some guy on the internet says "Look we made a profit!".
No... we didn't. Trust me.