Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation.

so, once again, if one president violates the constitution does that make it OK for future presidents to violate the constitution?



Actually it doesn't. However, when the Patriot Act was brought to us by Bush and CO,. some people including myself, argued that giving that much power to a President wouldn't be a good idea. That future Presidents of whatever party would not give up the power given to them. So Obama is proving this true. So will the next President.

Thing is, when Bush did it, the Repub were all for it, When Obama does it, it's like the end of the world.

Congress was designed to reign in excessive use of power by a President. Not sit on their fucking hands and GIVE a President more power.

Our Congress is seriously fucked up. And it was seriously fucked up by Republicans. They (Repubs) don't seem to understand what the hell they were elected for. Unless it's to serve the ultra wealthy. Which they do a great job of.
have you notice when you lay it out right in front of them and point out where they are wrong, their best answer is a bumpersticker " slogan
they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
"
 
well dumb fuck, all you have show is the debt ... you didn't show us what bills passed that caused it and thats what if said ... you nut jobs show the numbers but you haven't a clue how it go there


OK, dumb fuck, obama has never had an annual budget for any one of his 6 years. The only budget he ever presented to congress was voted down by democrats. With no budget the govt can spend whatever it likes on whatever it likes. Yes, the annual deficit did go down in a couple of those years, but they still increased the debt by spending more than they collected.

What happened during obama's terms is on obama, just like what happened during Bush's terms is on him.
It is truly amazing to see some Americans commend Obama for lowering the deficit....yet the national debt has exploded during his time.

How can they be so easily duped?


they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
and stupidity is a republican way of life ...
To think the Ds great and Rs stupid...is to not think.

Both parties are very much alike and both are criminal gangs.

The national debt and deficit are perfect examples of how both parties are the same. Neither cares about the debt...nothing could be more clear.


I agree to a point, but as usual it comes down to the lesser of two evils, which is the only choice we are given in most elections.
 
so, once again, if one president violates the constitution does that make it OK for future presidents to violate the constitution?



Actually it doesn't. However, when the Patriot Act was brought to us by Bush and CO,. some people including myself, argued that giving that much power to a President wouldn't be a good idea. That future Presidents of whatever party would not give up the power given to them. So Obama is proving this true. So will the next President.

Thing is, when Bush did it, the Repub were all for it, When Obama does it, it's like the end of the world.

Congress was designed to reign in excessive use of power by a President. Not sit on their fucking hands and GIVE a President more power.

Our Congress is seriously fucked up. And it was seriously fucked up by Republicans. They (Repubs) don't seem to understand what the hell they were elected for. Unless it's to serve the ultra wealthy. Which they do a great job of.
have you notice when you lay it out right in front of them and point out where they are wrong, their best answer is a bumpersticker " slogan
they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
"


if the shoe fits-----------------------------------and in your case it does.
 
the point I was making moron is executive orders are part of the constitution and you didn't grasp that ...so the real question here is whats the fuck is wrong with you???


yes, dipshit. all presidents have used EOs. But the constitution limits what they can be used for. Obama, and possibly others, have violated that provision.

so, once again, if one president violates the constitution does that make it OK for future presidents to violate the constitution?
thats your opinion, not a legal opinion ...


its fact not opinion. but the reality is that no congress is going to take a president to court for issuing EOs
wait a minute Boehner tried ... found out he didn't have a leg to stand on ... so again you don't do your do dillagents


its due dilligence. please engage spellcheck so you don't look so stupid
my bad ... so far it is you who has proven to be the stupid uninformed one ... when i pointed out their has been a congress who tried and failed ... by me pointing out the mistake you made by not doing your DUE DILLAGENTS, all your concern was spelling ... and by the way do is no misspelled ... its a grammar issue something you we too stupid to see ... because of your ignorance
 
OK, dumb fuck, obama has never had an annual budget for any one of his 6 years. The only budget he ever presented to congress was voted down by democrats. With no budget the govt can spend whatever it likes on whatever it likes. Yes, the annual deficit did go down in a couple of those years, but they still increased the debt by spending more than they collected.

What happened during obama's terms is on obama, just like what happened during Bush's terms is on him.
It is truly amazing to see some Americans commend Obama for lowering the deficit....yet the national debt has exploded during his time.

How can they be so easily duped?


they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
and stupidity is a republican way of life ...
To think the Ds great and Rs stupid...is to not think.

Both parties are very much alike and both are criminal gangs.

The national debt and deficit are perfect examples of how both parties are the same. Neither cares about the debt...nothing could be more clear.


I agree to a point, but as usual it comes down to the lesser of two evils, which is the only choice we are given in most elections.
Agreed....there are a few Rs who recognize the dangers of a huge national debt and deficit spending....very few. The establishment R party will do all it can to prevent such Rs from reaching the WH. They will align with the D party and the MSM, to demonize and marginalize all deficit hawk Rs. It is going on as we speak.
 
so, once again, if one president violates the constitution does that make it OK for future presidents to violate the constitution?



Actually it doesn't. However, when the Patriot Act was brought to us by Bush and CO,. some people including myself, argued that giving that much power to a President wouldn't be a good idea. That future Presidents of whatever party would not give up the power given to them. So Obama is proving this true. So will the next President.

Thing is, when Bush did it, the Repub were all for it, When Obama does it, it's like the end of the world.

Congress was designed to reign in excessive use of power by a President. Not sit on their fucking hands and GIVE a President more power.

Our Congress is seriously fucked up. And it was seriously fucked up by Republicans. They (Repubs) don't seem to understand what the hell they were elected for. Unless it's to serve the ultra wealthy. Which they do a great job of.
have you notice when you lay it out right in front of them and point out where they are wrong, their best answer is a bumpersticker " slogan
they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
"


if the shoe fits-----------------------------------and in your case it does.
you prove to us you don't know the difference between spelling errors and grammar errors------------------------. and in your case it does
 
so, once again, if one president violates the constitution does that make it OK for future presidents to violate the constitution?



Actually it doesn't. However, when the Patriot Act was brought to us by Bush and CO,. some people including myself, argued that giving that much power to a President wouldn't be a good idea. That future Presidents of whatever party would not give up the power given to them. So Obama is proving this true. So will the next President.

Thing is, when Bush did it, the Repub were all for it, When Obama does it, it's like the end of the world.

Congress was designed to reign in excessive use of power by a President. Not sit on their fucking hands and GIVE a President more power.

Our Congress is seriously fucked up. And it was seriously fucked up by Republicans. They (Repubs) don't seem to understand what the hell they were elected for. Unless it's to serve the ultra wealthy. Which they do a great job of.
have you notice when you lay it out right in front of them and point out where they are wrong, their best answer is a bumpersticker " slogan
they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
"


if the shoe fits-----------------------------------and in your case it does.
you prove to us you don't know the difference between spelling errors and grammar errors------------------------. and in your case it does
Please stick to the issues and try not to deflect the debate...but then you lost the debate, so all you have left is to deflect.
 
Why do you progressive shills keep trotting this totally misleading statistic out to "prove" that Barack Obama hasn't buried the US in a staggering mountain of debt? Other than the REALLY stupid...do you think it makes anyone think that Barry is fiscally prudent?

While it's technically true that he didn't increase spending by a large percentage that's only because he took over the Presidency after George W. Bush had just spent an unprecedented amount on things like TARP to keep the nation's financial institutions afloat so therefore it was hard to increase something that was already huge. What's telling about Barack Obama is that he's managed to spend that huge amount for each of his six years in office...which is why our national debt will have doubled by the time he leaves office.

Please stop posting this nonsense...it's a waste of board space.
 
national debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T

nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.


Conservative 'math', lol

Clinton's last F/Y budget ends

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06


Dubya's last F/Y ends

9/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

Dubya doubled the debt


Obama's last F/Y debt
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2014


DeficitChart.png



110908-parfait-debt.jpg
 
Obama has increased government spending less than any president in at least a generation

That's a lie on so many levels where do we even begin. Since lying about deficit reduction to get elected Obama has been a consistent advocate for increased government spending and taxes since he took office, his record is clear.
saying and doing is two different things ....yes he wants to raise taxes on the rich 3% to fix roads a water works but like always you don't do any research ... the fact that he has spent less is a fact that the CBO has put into the press ... Please show us where any bill that he has signed into law that has caused 7 trillion dollars of debt... when you do you will find it came from the previous administration ...

Only in your fucked up twisted liberal world, the OP is intentionally dishonest.
 
national debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T

nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.


Conservative 'math', lol

Clinton's last F/Y budget ends

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06


Dubya's last F/Y ends

9/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

Dubya doubled the debt


Obama's last F/Y debt
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2014


DeficitChart.png



110908-parfait-debt.jpg
So...to summarize, the huge national debt is Bush's fault.

Does Obama share in the blame, or is he blameless?
 
Why do you progressive shills keep trotting this totally misleading statistic out to "prove" that Barack Obama hasn't buried the US in a staggering mountain of debt? Other than the REALLY stupid...do you think it makes anyone think that Barry is fiscally prudent?

While it's technically true that he didn't increase spending by a large percentage that's only because he took over the Presidency after George W. Bush had just spent an unprecedented amount on things like TARP to keep the nation's financial institutions afloat so therefore it was hard to increase something that was already huge. What's telling about Barack Obama is that he's managed to spend that huge amount for each of his six years in office...which is why our national debt will have doubled by the time he leaves office.

Please stop posting this nonsense...it's a waste of board space.


"George W. Bush had just spent an unprecedented amount on things like TARP to keep the nation's financial institutions afloat so therefore it was hard to increase something that was already huge."



Actual outlays for TARP in fiscal 2009 totaled $154 billion
Obama 8217 s Spending 8216 Inferno 8217 or Not


January 08, 2009(12 DAYS PRE OBAMA)
CBO Projects $1.2 Trillion Deficit for 2009

CBO Projects 1.2 Trillion Deficit for 2009 - Memphis Daily News



Economic Downturn (8 years of Dubya/GOP' JOB CREATOR' POLICIES, LOL)and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits

Economic Recovery Measures, Financial Rescues Have Only Temporary Impact


Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits mdash Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


The Fiscal Legacy of George W. Bush

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/the-fiscal-legacy-of-george-w-bush/?_r=0

chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-june-2010.gif
 
national debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T

nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.


Conservative 'math', lol

Clinton's last F/Y budget ends

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06


Dubya's last F/Y ends

9/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

Dubya doubled the debt


Obama's last F/Y debt
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2014


DeficitChart.png



110908-parfait-debt.jpg
So...to summarize, the huge national debt is Bush's fault.

Does Obama share in the blame, or is he blameless?

Did Obama come into office and give US 2 tax cuts (1 AFTER we werre at war)? How about going to UNFUNDED wars

Did Obama give US a new UNFUNDED Medicare expansion program?

Did Obama ignore regulator warnings that started in 2004 and instead cheer on the Banksters that created a bubble and bust?


PLEASE tell me what happened between Jan 2001 (Bush took over) (Greenspan went to the GOP Congress and was worried debt would be paid down to fast thanks to Clinton's sound fiscal policies) and Jan 2009 again?
 
It is truly amazing to see some Americans commend Obama for lowering the deficit....yet the national debt has exploded during his time.

How can they be so easily duped?


they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
and stupidity is a republican way of life ...
To think the Ds great and Rs stupid...is to not think.

Both parties are very much alike and both are criminal gangs.

The national debt and deficit are perfect examples of how both parties are the same. Neither cares about the debt...nothing could be more clear.


I agree to a point, but as usual it comes down to the lesser of two evils, which is the only choice we are given in most elections.
Agreed....there are a few Rs who recognize the dangers of a huge national debt and deficit spending....very few. The establishment R party will do all it can to prevent such Rs from reaching the WH. They will align with the D party and the MSM, to demonize and marginalize all deficit hawk Rs. It is going on as we speak.

YOU make it seem the debt created thanks to conservative/GOP policy was an accident??? LOL

"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending.


Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."


Starve the beast - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


I GUESS DUBYA/GOP POLICIES TAKING US FROM 20%+ OF GDP IN REVENUES CLINTON HAD US AT (AFTER HE VETOED THE GOP $700+ BILLION TAX CUT AFTER HIS FIRST SURPLUS) TO LESS THAN 15% OF GDP DIDN'T MATTER?
 
well dumb fuck, all you have show is the debt ... you didn't show us what bills passed that caused it and thats what if said ... you nut jobs show the numbers but you haven't a clue how it go there


OK, dumb fuck, obama has never had an annual budget for any one of his 6 years. The only budget he ever presented to congress was voted down by democrats. With no budget the govt can spend whatever it likes on whatever it likes. Yes, the annual deficit did go down in a couple of those years, but they still increased the debt by spending more than they collected.

What happened during obama's terms is on obama, just like what happened during Bush's terms is on him.
It is truly amazing to see some Americans commend Obama for lowering the deficit....yet the national debt has exploded during his time.

How can they be so easily duped?


they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
and stupidity is a republican way of life ...
To think the Ds great and Rs stupid...is to not think.

Both parties are very much alike and both are criminal gangs.

The national debt and deficit are perfect examples of how both parties are the same. Neither cares about the debt...nothing could be more clear.

Yeah, BOTH parties gutted revenues *shaking head*


Dems/Clinton created 3 new brackets and took the top rate from 31% to 39.6% in 1993, WITHOUT A SINGLE GOP VOTE! What did the GOP when they got full control Gov't in 2001 again?

 
The Republicans forced a balanced budget on Clinton, it wasn't his desire. He fought it tooth and nail all the way. He eventually vetoed the balanced budget bill, took a poll that showed most Americans wanted a balanced budget, and reintroduced it under his name, then dared the Republicans to vote it down. I was keeping up with the political happenings in Washington and am witness to it all, so don't insult my intelligence with your spin and outrigfht lies.
 
The Republicans forced a balanced budget on Clinton, it wasn't his desire. He fought it tooth and nail all the way. He eventually vetoed the balanced budget bill, took a poll that showed most Americans wanted a balanced budget, and reintroduced it under his name, then dared the Republicans to vote it down. I was keeping up with the political happenings in Washington and am witness to it all, so don't insult my intelligence with your spin and outrigfht lies.

Then Bush came along and spent like a drunk Democrat! Makes me want to puke!!
 
they are liberals and liberalism is a mental disease, there is no other answer.
and stupidity is a republican way of life ...
To think the Ds great and Rs stupid...is to not think.

Both parties are very much alike and both are criminal gangs.

The national debt and deficit are perfect examples of how both parties are the same. Neither cares about the debt...nothing could be more clear.


I agree to a point, but as usual it comes down to the lesser of two evils, which is the only choice we are given in most elections.
Agreed....there are a few Rs who recognize the dangers of a huge national debt and deficit spending....very few. The establishment R party will do all it can to prevent such Rs from reaching the WH. They will align with the D party and the MSM, to demonize and marginalize all deficit hawk Rs. It is going on as we speak.

YOU make it seem the debt created thanks to conservative/GOP policy was an accident??? LOL

"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending.


Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."


Starve the beast - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


I GUESS DUBYA/GOP POLICIES TAKING US FROM 20%+ OF GDP IN REVENUES CLINTON HAD US AT (AFTER HE VETOED THE GOP $700+ BILLION TAX CUT AFTER HIS FIRST SURPLUS) TO LESS THAN 15% OF GDP DIDN'T MATTER?
Okay then...the increase in the national debt these past six years is the fault of Bush and the Rs.

Truly amazing!
 
national debt when obama took over --------------- 10T
national debt today--------------------------------------------18T
national debt when obama leaves--------------------->20T

nothing more needs to be said. Obama will have increased the national debt more than all previous presidents COMBINED.


Conservative 'math', lol

Clinton's last F/Y budget ends

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06


Dubya's last F/Y ends

9/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75

Dubya doubled the debt


Obama's last F/Y debt
09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2014


DeficitChart.png



110908-parfait-debt.jpg
So...to summarize, the huge national debt is Bush's fault.

Does Obama share in the blame, or is he blameless?

Did Obama come into office and give US 2 tax cuts (1 AFTER we werre at war)? How about going to UNFUNDED wars

Did Obama give US a new UNFUNDED Medicare expansion program?

Did Obama ignore regulator warnings that started in 2004 and instead cheer on the Banksters that created a bubble and bust?


PLEASE tell me what happened between Jan 2001 (Bush took over) (Greenspan went to the GOP Congress and was worried debt would be paid down to fast thanks to Clinton's sound fiscal policies) and Jan 2009 again?

The far left propaganda machine is rolling on..
 

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