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They pick which plan they want, regardless of whether subsidies will cover part/all of it.so if someone can't afford healthcare and their plan is going to be subsidized, what plan will they be given? a high deductible bronz plan or a full coverage cadilac plan?
You bring an interesting point. I believe the bottom line is no, it wouldn't be fair someone who does nothing gets the free ride.i mean would it be fair to have a working american who can barely afford healthcare but makes just too much to be subsidized be stuck with a high deductable because that is all he can afford, while someone who does nothing and returns nothing to society gets the free ride
After we're broke, bankrupted, ruined and ruled by the Chicoms, it will come out that Barry wasn't the real president all along.....Moochelle was.
They pick which plan they want, regardless of whether subsidies will cover part/all of it.so if someone can't afford healthcare and their plan is going to be subsidized, what plan will they be given? a high deductible bronz plan or a full coverage cadilac plan?
You bring an interesting point. I believe the bottom line is no, it wouldn't be fair someone who does nothing gets the free ride.i mean would it be fair to have a working american who can barely afford healthcare but makes just too much to be subsidized be stuck with a high deductable because that is all he can afford, while someone who does nothing and returns nothing to society gets the free ride
with everything going on, to me it sounds like we are encouraging people to be on entitlements. you get more for doing nothing. its like a return to the old company store concept wit hthe government being the company in this case
I definitely plan on reaping the benefits of the healthcare subsidies in a big way.sounds like we are encouraging people to be on entitlements.
I definitely plan on reaping the benefits of the healthcare subsidies in a big way.sounds like we are encouraging people to be on entitlements.
Dude you almost make novasteve sound mature, I know you started the thread but why don't you let the adults talk ok? Go play.HIV treatment?
I've pointed out the kook strategic plan before.
1. Point to every little glitch as the complete failure of the ACA
2. When the whole nation doesn't sign up on day 1, declare it means everyone hates the ACA.
3. When large numbers do sign up, declare it means everyone is a moocher.
So, stage 1 is proceeding on schedule.
so if someone can't afford healthcare and their plan is going to be subsidized, what plan will they be given? a high deductible bronz plan or a full coverage cadilac plan? i mean would it be fair to have a working american who can barely afford healthcare but makes just too much to be subsidized be stuck with a high deductable because that is all he can afford, while someone who does nothing and returns nothing to society gets the free ride
so if someone can't afford healthcare and their plan is going to be subsidized, what plan will they be given? a high deductible bronz plan or a full coverage cadilac plan? i mean would it be fair to have a working american who can barely afford healthcare but makes just too much to be subsidized be stuck with a high deductable because that is all he can afford, while someone who does nothing and returns nothing to society gets the free ride
Oh shit! Someone interrupted the mutual name-calling to ask a real question! What to do?
Well the dirty little secret is that for most folks making under $50k the answer is in the amount of the subsidy they qualify for. De facto, the bronze plan will be free for them in most cases. That still saddles them with high co-pays, but does provide free catastrophic coverage. There is really no substitute for doing the grunt work. Kaiser has a emulation available and I was able to play around with it using different states, income levels, and family size. The plans look affordable in general and and I think the choices are pitched about right.
How it plays out from here will be determined by the cost experience of the insurers, which is partly dependent on getting 30--40% of new enrollees being basically healthy. The penalty under the individual mandate isn't really big enough to be more than a nuisance until the third year, and there are lots of exceptions. So I think it will be 2016 before we know what the numbers really are. Funny thing, that date. Anything else happening then?
Same one I was experimenting with. If your income is low enough (and it doesn't need to be that low) even the silver and gold plans can be pretty reasonable.Kaiser has a emulation available and I was able to play around with it using different states, income levels, and family size. The plans look affordable in general and and I think the choices are pitched about right.
so if someone can't afford healthcare and their plan is going to be subsidized, what plan will they be given? a high deductible bronz plan or a full coverage cadilac plan? i mean would it be fair to have a working american who can barely afford healthcare but makes just too much to be subsidized be stuck with a high deductable because that is all he can afford, while someone who does nothing and returns nothing to society gets the free ride
Oh shit! Someone interrupted the mutual name-calling to ask a real question! What to do?
Well the dirty little secret is that for most folks making under $50k the answer is in the amount of the subsidy they qualify for. De facto, the bronze plan will be free for them in most cases. That still saddles them with high co-pays, but does provide free catastrophic coverage. There is really no substitute for doing the grunt work. Kaiser has a emulation available and I was able to play around with it using different states, income levels, and family size. The plans look affordable in general and and I think the choices are pitched about right.
How it plays out from here will be determined by the cost experience of the insurers, which is partly dependent on getting 30--40% of new enrollees being basically healthy. The penalty under the individual mandate isn't really big enough to be more than a nuisance until the third year, and there are lots of exceptions. So I think it will be 2016 before we know what the numbers really are. Funny thing, that date. Anything else happening then?
Who's paying for their "Free" coverage, dumb fuck?
I've pointed out the kook strategic plan before.
1. Point to every little glitch as the complete failure of the ACA
2. When the whole nation doesn't sign up on day 1, declare it means everyone hates the ACA.
3. When large numbers do sign up, declare it means everyone is a moocher.
So, stage 1 is proceeding on schedule.
Are you signed up, asswipe, or did you get a 404 error too.
There is little doubt our healtcare system Is broken. Nobody should get tossed to the curb because they're poor or out of insurance. But instead of letting the leftists grab us by the throat and control every aspect of our lives (and they can do it with Barry-Care), why not open up competiton between all insurance companies nation-wide instead of the proprietary zones we got now? Why not make health insurance 100% tax-deductible on your 1040? Why not set up STATE government run free clinics in rural, suburban, and urban areas staffed by interns coming out of medical school? Why not let Sam buy out for-profit hospitals and operated them as non-profits, charging what covers expenses like it was done for 100 years before the 1990'? I'm sure there are dozens of others ideas that could work along beside mine to serve the lousy FIFTEEN PERCENT of who Barry-Care is supposedly targeting at the expense of the EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT of us getting reamed by this bullshit.
SHUT IT DOWN UNTIL BARRY-CARE IS DEAD!
404? As in, so many people showed up, the website crashed? Oh yeah - total failure, that one.
Libberhoids.... you OWN this clusterfuck... !!!! LOL!!!!
