Obamacare Declared Unconstitutional by Federal Judge

Not in this case. The Constitution does state “promote the general welfare”. Healthcare out of anything falls under that. I’m not advocating single payer but the federal gvt can use its power to allow interstate health insurance commerce. There’s a market here to be had which will provide cheaper solutions & better quality. Read Rand Paul’s plan, he nails it. Obamacare Replacement Act - Rand Paul - Rand Paul Kentucky US Senator

I like the idea of association plans.
Two places contain "general welfare"...One is in the preamble, where it says promote, not provide....The other is in Article 1, Section 8, where it is expressed as the aim of the powers and provisions which followed....At no point was "general welfare" meant as an open invitation for gubmint to come in and fiddle in any area that they decided to.

I’m not advocating for provide. I’m advocating for opening up the market place. The thing is healthcare is a national issue now. The market can deliver the solution but we have ridiculous laws in place which prevent it.
 
I’m not advocating for provide. I’m advocating for opening up the market place. The thing is healthcare is a national issue now. The market can deliver the solution but we have ridiculous laws in place which prevent it.
Fair enough.

Another blind spot is this notion that buying across state lines is a remedy...That does next to nothing to ameliorate the shall-issue mandates put in place by state legislatures...Any real fix needs to declare these mandates unconstitutional, under the rubric of freedom of interstate commerce.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare


Its really going to be up to the Democrat Party now that the end of the ACA is now settled law.

With a majority in the House, they need to get together and put forward a Tremendous Health Care program which will perform as Obama promised. Lower costs, more access, better, Tremendous style healthcare and complete freedom to patients as well as health care facilities.
 
I’m not advocating for provide. I’m advocating for opening up the market place. The thing is healthcare is a national issue now. The market can deliver the solution but we have ridiculous laws in place which prevent it.
Fair enough.

Another blind spot is this notion that buying across state lines is a remedy...That does next to nothing to ameliorate the shall-issue mandates put in place by state legislatures...Any real fix needs to declare these mandates unconstitutional, under the rubric of freedom of interstate commerce.

Agree it’s not a cure-all but it’s a step in the right direction. The shall issue mandates are an obstacle but not an insurmountable one either. The states have an interest in their citizens well being but this issue is too big for any one state. There could be a compromise whereby states are free to offer plans with the mandates but can’t refuse another state’s or national plan. Think of it as supplemental. You buy a baseline plan from Geico in Rhode Island but want to purchase additional coverage where you live in Ohio since that supplemental offers a coverage the RI plan doesn’t. But the Ohio plan only takes effect if that particular mandate is affected. Otherwise the Geico plan is the primary payer.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare


Its really going to be up to the Democrat Party now that the end of the ACA is now settled law.

With a majority in the House, they need to get together and put forward a Tremendous Health Care program which will perform as Obama promised. Lower costs, more access, better, Tremendous style healthcare and complete freedom to patients as well as health care facilities.

Neither party has that waiting in the wings so I wouldn’t hold my breath. The Dems want single payer which is a non-starter.
 
OK Republicans
You Broke it....you bought it


You have two years to provide coverage to 145 million people with pre-existing conditions

Voters will want to know

We already have. We gave them jobs. Their jobs give them health care, or the means to buy it.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare

Too bad the Supreme Court ruled it Constitutional as a tax increase thanks to Kavanaugh, true story!

It sucks, but it is what it is. I don't agree with it.

For all those clamoring to get him confirmed? Kick yourself in the ass now, please.
 
Agree it’s not a cure-all but it’s a step in the right direction. The shall issue mandates are an obstacle but not an insurmountable one either. The states have an interest in their citizens well being but this issue is too big for any one state. There could be a compromise whereby states are free to offer plans with the mandates but can’t refuse another state’s or national plan. Think of it as supplemental. You buy a baseline plan from Geico in Rhode Island but want to purchase additional coverage where you live in Ohio since that supplemental offers a coverage the RI plan doesn’t. But the Ohio plan only takes effect if that particular mandate is affected. Otherwise the Geico plan is the primary payer.
The State has one interest: The State.

Nothing short of declaring a full free market for insurance, under the auspices of interstate commerce, is going to remedy the problem....IOW, you can't polish a turd.
 
I’m not advocating for provide. I’m advocating for opening up the market place. The thing is healthcare is a national issue now. The market can deliver the solution but we have ridiculous laws in place which prevent it.
Fair enough.

Another blind spot is this notion that buying across state lines is a remedy...That does next to nothing to ameliorate the shall-issue mandates put in place by state legislatures...Any real fix needs to declare these mandates unconstitutional, under the rubric of freedom of interstate commerce.

Agree it’s not a cure-all but it’s a step in the right direction. The shall issue mandates are an obstacle but not an insurmountable one either. The states have an interest in their citizens well being but this issue is too big for any one state. There could be a compromise whereby states are free to offer plans with the mandates but can’t refuse another state’s or national plan. Think of it as supplemental. You buy a baseline plan from Geico in Rhode Island but want to purchase additional coverage where you live in Ohio since that supplemental offers a coverage the RI plan doesn’t. But the Ohio plan only takes effect if that particular mandate is affected. Otherwise the Geico plan is the primary payer.

It's too big for any one government. Centralizing power in this way creates worse problems than those it is presumed to solve.
 
geez...calm down and stop wetting yourselves in ecstasy...

“The ruling is certain to be appealed, and legal experts in both parties have said they ultimately expect the challenge to the health law will not succeed. ObamaCare will remain in effect while the case is appealed.”
 
geez...calm down and stop wetting yourselves in ecstasy...

“The ruling is certain to be appealed, and legal experts in both parties have said they ultimately expect the challenge to the health law will not succeed. ObamaCare will remain in effect while the case is appealed.”

Obamacare is bad, 'yote. :re:


Kavanaugh helped make it happen, what a dick!

None of that is a proper solution to "healthcare" prices in America.

My doctor is an old school jew..Lord help me if he goes away.

He charges a fair price, and I pay him cash.

Was looking at checks paid to my doctor when I was a kid not long ago..

$23...$26..

Yeah, the system went fucked up due to comptroller bribing and medical insurance lobbying.

Incremental increases year after year, (for 20+years)(when there should not have been) and here we are.
 
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I’m not advocating for provide. I’m advocating for opening up the market place. The thing is healthcare is a national issue now. The market can deliver the solution but we have ridiculous laws in place which prevent it.
Fair enough.

Another blind spot is this notion that buying across state lines is a remedy...That does next to nothing to ameliorate the shall-issue mandates put in place by state legislatures...Any real fix needs to declare these mandates unconstitutional, under the rubric of freedom of interstate commerce.

Agree it’s not a cure-all but it’s a step in the right direction. The shall issue mandates are an obstacle but not an insurmountable one either. The states have an interest in their citizens well being but this issue is too big for any one state. There could be a compromise whereby states are free to offer plans with the mandates but can’t refuse another state’s or national plan. Think of it as supplemental. You buy a baseline plan from Geico in Rhode Island but want to purchase additional coverage where you live in Ohio since that supplemental offers a coverage the RI plan doesn’t. But the Ohio plan only takes effect if that particular mandate is affected. Otherwise the Geico plan is the primary payer.

It's too big for any one government. Centralizing power in this way creates worse problems than those it is presumed to solve.

I’m not advocating for centralizing anything. I support Rand Paul’s ideas.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare

Too bad the Supreme Court ruled it Constitutional as a tax increase thanks to Kavanaugh, true story!

It sucks, but it is what it is. I don't agree with it.

For all those clamoring to get him confirmed? Kick yourself in the ass now, please.
Oh, I know the lay of the land.

If it Ocommiecare gets declared null and void: good...If it doesn't, then scores of millions are going to recognize how deep the deep state tentacles are.

It's a win/win.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare


Its really going to be up to the Democrat Party now that the end of the ACA is now settled law.

With a majority in the House, they need to get together and put forward a Tremendous Health Care program which will perform as Obama promised. Lower costs, more access, better, Tremendous style healthcare and complete freedom to patients as well as health care facilities.

Neither party has that waiting in the wings so I wouldn’t hold my breath. The Dems want single payer which is a non-starter.


Single Payer is unpassable in the Senate and unsignable in the WH.

It would be bad faith for the House to pass such a law as it would be a waste of time. The House Democrats need to get SERIOUS. President Trump has an idea to have tremendous health care. If Chuck and Nancy want to get serious, they would just pass it and move it through.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare


Its really going to be up to the Democrat Party now that the end of the ACA is now settled law.

With a majority in the House, they need to get together and put forward a Tremendous Health Care program which will perform as Obama promised. Lower costs, more access, better, Tremendous style healthcare and complete freedom to patients as well as health care facilities.

Neither party has that waiting in the wings so I wouldn’t hold my breath. The Dems want single payer which is a non-starter.


Single Payer is unpassable in the Senate and unsignable in the WH.

It would be bad faith for the House to pass such a law as it would be a waste of time. The House Democrats need to get SERIOUS. President Trump has an idea to have tremendous health care. If Chuck and Nancy want to get serious, they would just pass it and move it through.

Nope. It is the Republican’s baby now. They ran on breaking it.
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare


Its really going to be up to the Democrat Party now that the end of the ACA is now settled law.

With a majority in the House, they need to get together and put forward a Tremendous Health Care program which will perform as Obama promised. Lower costs, more access, better, Tremendous style healthcare and complete freedom to patients as well as health care facilities.

Neither party has that waiting in the wings so I wouldn’t hold my breath. The Dems want single payer which is a non-starter.


Single Payer is unpassable in the Senate and unsignable in the WH.

It would be bad faith for the House to pass such a law as it would be a waste of time. The House Democrats need to get SERIOUS. President Trump has an idea to have tremendous health care. If Chuck and Nancy want to get serious, they would just pass it and move it through.

Nope. It is the Republican’s baby now. They ran on breaking it.


No, the ACA is UNCONSTiTUTIONAL, and that is just settled law which has nothing to do with politics of either party. Now, health care is something the people are concerned about, and revenue bills must originate in the House of Reps controlled by the Democrats.
 
I’m not advocating for provide. I’m advocating for opening up the market place. The thing is healthcare is a national issue now. The market can deliver the solution but we have ridiculous laws in place which prevent it.
Fair enough.

Another blind spot is this notion that buying across state lines is a remedy...That does next to nothing to ameliorate the shall-issue mandates put in place by state legislatures...Any real fix needs to declare these mandates unconstitutional, under the rubric of freedom of interstate commerce.

Agree it’s not a cure-all but it’s a step in the right direction. The shall issue mandates are an obstacle but not an insurmountable one either. The states have an interest in their citizens well being but this issue is too big for any one state. There could be a compromise whereby states are free to offer plans with the mandates but can’t refuse another state’s or national plan. Think of it as supplemental. You buy a baseline plan from Geico in Rhode Island but want to purchase additional coverage where you live in Ohio since that supplemental offers a coverage the RI plan doesn’t. But the Ohio plan only takes effect if that particular mandate is affected. Otherwise the Geico plan is the primary payer.

It's too big for any one government. Centralizing power in this way creates worse problems than those it is presumed to solve.

I’m not advocating for centralizing anything. I support Rand Paul’s ideas.

If you say so. I don't want the federal government involved at all. And I'd prefer that the state I live in steer clear as well. Re: Rand Paul - As much as I admired his father, I simply can't trust Rand. He's turned into the "Little Finger" of DC.

That said, his plan is miles better than anything else I've seen, short of doing nothing (always my go to). He's a least trying to break the employer provide health care shackles - but he goes in the wrong direction. The solution isn't more tax incentives. They're what created the problem in the first place. The solution is to end the tax breaks for employer provided healthcare, not extend them to cover private insurance buyers as well.

Isn't it curious how every health care reform Congress proposes up ends up funneling more money to the insurance industry?
 
geez...calm down and stop wetting yourselves in ecstasy...

“The ruling is certain to be appealed, and legal experts in both parties have said they ultimately expect the challenge to the health law will not succeed. ObamaCare will remain in effect while the case is appealed.”

Obamacare is bad, 'yote. :re:


Kavanaugh helped make it happen, what a dick!

None of that is a proper solution to "healthcare" prices in America.

My doctor is an old school jew..Lord help me if he goes away.

He charges a fair price, and I pay him cash.

Was looking at checks paid to my doctor when I was a kid not long ago..

$23...$26..

Yeah, the system went fucked up due to comptroller bribing and medical insurance lobbying.

Incremental increases year after year, (for 20+years)(when there should not have been) and here we are.
You gonna pay him cash for your heart surgery?
 
Here we go again, sports fans...The Boiking's "signature" chunk of incomprehensibility, costliness, and general disdain declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL -lock, stock, and barrel- by a federal judge in Texas.

:banana::spinner: :rock:

Certain to make it back to USSC, where Murica may well FINALLY be done with this crony giveaway to Big Insurance, and general bureaucratic pain in the ass.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down ObamaCare
So the GOP removed the individual mandate and then sues claiming without it...it is unconstitutional.

And if they win we lose the pre-existing condition protection they SWORE to protect.

Wonderful fuckers these Republicans eh?
 
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Remember John Roberts said the tax penalty was necessary for Obamacare to survive. Now that the tax penalty is no more, will John Roberts admit he made a mistake? Will John Roberts say that the federal government has the power to control the health insurance market without the tax penalty?

A U.S. federal judge in Texas ruled on Friday that the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, is unconstitutional.

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U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor in Fort Worth agreed with a coalition of 20 states that a change in tax law last year eliminating a penalty for not having health insurance invalidates the entire Obamacare law.

O'Connor's decision is likely to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

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