Clementine
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Obama and the Dems have been out there trying to gin up support for gun control by claiming some outrageous and incorrect things. The claim that it could stop evil people in beyond incredible. But, it gets worse. Enter another straw man.
Obama's most recent scare tactic was when he said that people on the no-fly list are able to buy guns. He puts this forth as an argument that terrorists aren't banned from buying guns. His supporters fell for it instantly and now are repeating it all over the airwaves. OMG, bad people on the no-fly list getting guns. Cue the outrage. Oh, the humanity.
Not a one of them stopped to think about what it means to be on the no-fly list, specifically what we do about people who make that list. Well, generally we do nothing. If they are dangerous, keeping them off planes will only keep airline passengers safe, certainly not society. Why do people make the list, yet no other action is taken in most cases? For reasons that are never fully explained, people find themselves on the list. Some might not be aware of it until they try to purchase a ticket. Government doesn't officially notify them or accuse them of a specific crime. Just like when people have their money and property seized by officers after being tagged as a drug dealer. Just having the money was all they needed to declare you a criminal, so they take the money as instant punishment and call it good. That whole Bill of Rights thingy never comes into play.
Being on the no-fly list doesn't mean you are a terrorist or that you've done anything wrong. Like the civil forteiture laws, government takes action against people after accusing them of something without ever charging them. So, people on the no-fly list might have posted something that the government didn't like or said something in a phone conversation that NSA tagged them for. There have even been cases of mistaken identity or identity theft. Not hard to be tagged since the list of words that send up red flags would be spoken by anyone discussing current events. The way it's set up, enemies of the state are more likely to be targeted than actual terrorists, especially those radical Muslim kind.
If they suspect someone is a terrorist, they need to investigate and arrest the person if necessary. There needs to be a fair trial. We do have rights, but yet government is casually trampling them on a daily basis.
Instead of following the due process to which we are all entitled, they deny the person the ability to fly without having to prove the person is a threat.
So every person on the list has been denied their 6th Amendment right to a fair trial, to face their accuser and a jury of their peers. It's the same deal when people have their money and property confiscated by civil forfeiture. No proof, no charges and no recourse for people. Just suspecting someone, often on shaky grounds, does not give government the right to take anything away from a person.
If they believe that every person on the no-fly list is a potential terrorist, then they need to charge people and hold a trial. If the person is convicted, then send them to jail and deport any non-citizens or immigrants.
Instead, they deny them the privilege of flying without ever having to back it up. And the left has no problem with goverrnment ruining people's lives by launching accusations without respecting due process or people's rights.
Sorry, but it's not a valid argument for taking people's guns anymore than accusing someone of being a drug dealer is a valid reason to confiscate everything they own. Prove it or shut the fuck up and stop denying people's rights.
Obama claims to be a Constitutional Scholar. If he is then he should know that denying citizens things or confiscating assests without due process is a violation of their rights.
Obama and the Dems know that their supporters have emotional rather than intellectual responses to everything. He knew it would have a big effect on liberals when he stated that people on the no-fly list could buy guns and he was right about them immediately being shocked, then outraged, about it. Obama knows better since he is familiar with the constitution and those who bought into the bullshit are so gullible. You've been had again by your messiah.
Obama's most recent scare tactic was when he said that people on the no-fly list are able to buy guns. He puts this forth as an argument that terrorists aren't banned from buying guns. His supporters fell for it instantly and now are repeating it all over the airwaves. OMG, bad people on the no-fly list getting guns. Cue the outrage. Oh, the humanity.
Not a one of them stopped to think about what it means to be on the no-fly list, specifically what we do about people who make that list. Well, generally we do nothing. If they are dangerous, keeping them off planes will only keep airline passengers safe, certainly not society. Why do people make the list, yet no other action is taken in most cases? For reasons that are never fully explained, people find themselves on the list. Some might not be aware of it until they try to purchase a ticket. Government doesn't officially notify them or accuse them of a specific crime. Just like when people have their money and property seized by officers after being tagged as a drug dealer. Just having the money was all they needed to declare you a criminal, so they take the money as instant punishment and call it good. That whole Bill of Rights thingy never comes into play.
Being on the no-fly list doesn't mean you are a terrorist or that you've done anything wrong. Like the civil forteiture laws, government takes action against people after accusing them of something without ever charging them. So, people on the no-fly list might have posted something that the government didn't like or said something in a phone conversation that NSA tagged them for. There have even been cases of mistaken identity or identity theft. Not hard to be tagged since the list of words that send up red flags would be spoken by anyone discussing current events. The way it's set up, enemies of the state are more likely to be targeted than actual terrorists, especially those radical Muslim kind.
If they suspect someone is a terrorist, they need to investigate and arrest the person if necessary. There needs to be a fair trial. We do have rights, but yet government is casually trampling them on a daily basis.
Instead of following the due process to which we are all entitled, they deny the person the ability to fly without having to prove the person is a threat.
So every person on the list has been denied their 6th Amendment right to a fair trial, to face their accuser and a jury of their peers. It's the same deal when people have their money and property confiscated by civil forfeiture. No proof, no charges and no recourse for people. Just suspecting someone, often on shaky grounds, does not give government the right to take anything away from a person.
If they believe that every person on the no-fly list is a potential terrorist, then they need to charge people and hold a trial. If the person is convicted, then send them to jail and deport any non-citizens or immigrants.
Instead, they deny them the privilege of flying without ever having to back it up. And the left has no problem with goverrnment ruining people's lives by launching accusations without respecting due process or people's rights.
Sorry, but it's not a valid argument for taking people's guns anymore than accusing someone of being a drug dealer is a valid reason to confiscate everything they own. Prove it or shut the fuck up and stop denying people's rights.
Obama claims to be a Constitutional Scholar. If he is then he should know that denying citizens things or confiscating assests without due process is a violation of their rights.
Obama and the Dems know that their supporters have emotional rather than intellectual responses to everything. He knew it would have a big effect on liberals when he stated that people on the no-fly list could buy guns and he was right about them immediately being shocked, then outraged, about it. Obama knows better since he is familiar with the constitution and those who bought into the bullshit are so gullible. You've been had again by your messiah.
