"Obsessions, Vanity and Delusions"....All Lies

[Natural Citizen]

My Paul is better than your Paul.

 

[Oddball]

1. The title of this thread is directly from today's Paul Krugman column in the house organ of the Democrat Party....the NYTimes.

"Attack of the Fanatical Centrists
Of obsessions, vanity and delusions of superiority."
Opinion | Attack of the Fanatical Centrists



2. Throughout the usual series of lies on which the Left thrives is this sort of claim:
"...the hallmark of fanatical centrism is the determination to see America’s left and right as equally extreme, no matter what they actually propose."

and

"...standing tall against extremism right and left. Yet the reality of American politics is asymmetric polarization: extremism on the right is a powerful political force, while extremism on the left isn’t. "



3. The lies of the Left are so ubiquitous, repeated with such regularity, that the casual (read 'inattentive') voter actually accepts same.
The truth is that there is no Far Right, no extremism on the Right. And the contention is eminently simple to prove.



4. The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."

"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)
The mainstream doctrines of the Democrat Party....from ending private health care, economic confiscation, infanticide......are all radical.




5. See if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

I bet you've never tried.....and I'll bet you can't.

Krugman is the funniest thing in the newspapers since Bill Watterson quit writing Calvin and Hobbes.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Then why are you here, in this thread.

For the benefit of the casual passer-by who might one day stumble across your thread. That's what leaders do, dear.

Alright, then. It's your lucky day anyway. I want to watch cartoons now. One of these days that coyote is gonna catch that roadrunner, I just know it.

Enjoy your Superbowl Sunday. Go Patriots!

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The title of this thread is directly from today's Paul Krugman column in the house organ of the Democrat Party....the NYTimes.

"Attack of the Fanatical Centrists
Of obsessions, vanity and delusions of superiority."
Opinion | Attack of the Fanatical Centrists



2. Throughout the usual series of lies on which the Left thrives is this sort of claim:
"...the hallmark of fanatical centrism is the determination to see America’s left and right as equally extreme, no matter what they actually propose."

and

"...standing tall against extremism right and left. Yet the reality of American politics is asymmetric polarization: extremism on the right is a powerful political force, while extremism on the left isn’t. "



3. The lies of the Left are so ubiquitous, repeated with such regularity, that the casual (read 'inattentive') voter actually accepts same.
The truth is that there is no Far Right, no extremism on the Right. And the contention is eminently simple to prove.



4. The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."

"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)
The mainstream doctrines of the Democrat Party....from ending private health care, economic confiscation, infanticide......are all radical.




5. See if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

I bet you've never tried.....and I'll bet you can't.

Krugman is the funniest thing in the newspapers since Bill Watterson quit writing Calvin and Hobbes.

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I certainly see your point about Krugman.......



"Economist Paul Krugman predicts a 'global recession with no end in sight' if Trump wins
Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman predicts a "global recession with no end in sight" if Donald Trump is elected president..."
Economist Paul Krugman predicts a 'global recession with no end in sight' if Trump wins

 

[PoliticalChic]

Then why are you here, in this thread.

For the benefit of the casual passer-by who might one day stumble across your thread. That's what leaders do, dear.

Alright, then. It's your lucky day anyway. I want to watch cartoons now. One of these days that coyote is gonna catch that roadrunner, I just know it.

Enjoy your Superbowl Sunday. Go Patriots!

It appears that you are unable to maintain your focus on the point.


This:

4. The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.t
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."

"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)
The mainstream doctrines of the Democrat Party....from ending private health care, economic confiscation, infanticide......are all radical.




5. See if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

I bet you've never tried.....and I'll bet you can't.

 

[Oddball]

The point I made was that there is no Far Right....there is a Far Left....and that the only political extremism is on the Left.
It is the basis of the Democrat party.


As for Krugman, it proves
Rule #1

Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

Krugman is so far out on the lunatic left fringe, that Hubert Humphrey looks like Robert Taft in comparison.

 

[Natural Citizen]

5. See if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

I bet you've never tried.....and I'll bet you can't.

The problem is that very few modern Americans who identify as conservative understand what being conservative means. As a consequence, any terms of controversy relative to conservatism, whether spoken or written, are often misguided and subsequently for naught. It confuses the debate/discussion.

Here's the answer. This is where we need to start. It's the only way the terms of controversy will ever be relevant and useful if we want to be good conservatives and properly teach conservatism, what it means to be conservative and what conservatism is not. One cannot speak about what is left or right of conservative if they do not know what it means to be conservative.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. See if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

I bet you've never tried.....and I'll bet you can't.

The problem is that very few modern Americans who identify as conservative understand what being conservative means. As a consequence, any terms of controversy relative to conservatism, whether spoken or written, are often misguided and subsequently for naught. It confuses the debate/discussion.

Here's the answer. This is where we need to start. It's the only way the terms of controversy will ever be relevant and useful if we want to be good conservatives and properly teach conservatism, what it means to be conservative and what conservatism is not. One cannot speak about what is left or right of conservative if they do not know what it means to be conservative.

"The problem is that very few modern Americans who identify as conservative understand what being conservative means."

Let's check.


The Right, conservatism, and the Founder's beliefs:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.




The Left, Liberals, the Democrat Party
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

 

[kyzr]

OK, instead of trying to define the far right, lets look at trying to define centrist policies. The articles below look at centrists as Libertarians, in-between Dems and the GOP. Ross Perot was the last "centrist" that ran for president. Howard Schultz looks like he's going to try and thread that needle in 2020. Yet he dodges any questions that require picking a side, like "are you pro-life or pro-choice?" I disagree calling the Founder's policies "centrist" by today's world. They may be "center-right" in-line with Ron Paul's definition, especially staying out of "foreign entanglements". Then Ron Paul's criticism of the far right seems to be part of this discussion. In short, there can always be a more extreme move to the Left or Right, even defining the center depends upon what year you are discussing, since the "center" may shift left or right depending upon the makeup of the electorate.

Centrism - Wikipedia
Centrists in the two major U.S. political parties are often found in the New Democrat Coalition[50] and the Blue Dog Coalition of the Democratic Party and the Republican Main Street Partnership of the Republican Party. Outside of the two major parties, some centrists inhabit the Libertarian Party[51] and independent candidacy movements, such as The Centrist Project co-founded by Charles Wheelan.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK, instead of trying to define the far right, lets look at trying to define centrist policies. The articles below look at centrists as Libertarians, in-between Dems and the GOP. Ross Perot was the last "centrist" that ran for president. Howard Schultz looks like he's going to try and thread that needle in 2020. Yet he dodges any questions that require picking a side, like "are you pro-life or pro-choice?" I disagree calling the Founder's policies "centrist" by today's world. They may be "center-right" in-line with Ron Paul's definition, especially staying out of "foreign entanglements". Then Ron Paul's criticism of the far right seems to be part of this discussion. In short, there can always be a more extreme move to the Left or Right, even defining the center depends upon what year you are discussing, since the "center" may shift left or right depending upon the makeup of the electorate.

Centrism - Wikipedia
Centrists in the two major U.S. political parties are often found in the New Democrat Coalition[50] and the Blue Dog Coalition of the Democratic Party and the Republican Main Street Partnership of the Republican Party. Outside of the two major parties, some centrists inhabit the Libertarian Party[51] and independent candidacy movements, such as The Centrist Project co-founded by Charles Wheelan.

"OK, instead of trying to define the far right, lets look at trying to define centrist policies."


I must tell you, this is really a lot of fun for me.

Now......centrist??????

That's exactly what we have been defining.


The policies of conservatives are centrist.....the basis of our foundings are the center.



The Right, conservatism, and the Founder's beliefs:

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.




The Left, Liberals, the Democrat Party

b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



The reason the Left, the Liberals, the Democrats insist that there is a 'Far Right' is to camouflage their own radicalism.





Let's go right for the head of the Far Left....Obama

The Obama administration is easily proven to be Far Left: he advanced, to a seat on the Supreme Court, a radical who does not believe in free speech, the first amendment.

"In her 1993 article "Regulation of Hate Speech and Pornography After R.A.V," for the University of Chicago Law Review, Kagan writes:
"I take it as a given that we live in a society marred by racial and gender inequality, that certain forms of speech perpetuate and promote this inequality, and that the uncoerced disappearance of such speech would be cause for great elation."



In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Kagan argued it may be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
That paper asserted First Amendment doctrine is comprised of "motives and ... actions infested with them" and she goes so far as to claim that "First Amendment law is best understood and most readily explained as a kind of motive-hunting."



Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."

If the government doesn't like what you say, Elena Kagan believes it is the duty of courts to tell you to shut up. If some pantywaist is offended by what you say, Elena Kagan believes your words can be "disappeared".
WyBlog -- Elena Kagan's America: some speech can be "disappeared"
Elena Kagan Radical anti-gun nut?



Any want to deny that free speech is at the center of American tradition???
What could be more 'centrist' than free speech????????




So....as far as the concept of free speech in America, where do we find the radical position?
Hence, far left.



If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

 

[kyzr]

Ok you win. Its time for the super bowl. It all comes out in the wash, unless the progressives get their open borders and the US electorate is forever swamped with migrants. I'm hoping that 2020 election keeps the electorate American. My wife is really upset at the changes that the progressives keep pushing, like a national holiday on election day. She also hates "vote harvesting" and voting for extended periods. Reminds her of the "vote early - vote often" Cook County mantra of old.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ok you win. Its time for the super bowl. It all comes out in the wash, unless the progressives get their open borders and the US electorate is forever swamped with migrants. I'm hoping that 2020 election keeps the electorate American. My wife is really upset at the changes that the progressives keep pushing, like a national holiday on election day. She also hates "vote harvesting" and voting for extended periods. Reminds her of the "vote early - vote often" Cook County mantra of old.

My hopes too.

But it does appear we are shoving against the tide......

They are selling out the nation we love.


BTW.....what a bore that SuperBowl was, huh?

 

[The Original Tree]

Krugman is so wrong all the time I can't imagine why anyone lets him put anything in print? I'm still waiting for the economy to crash as Krugman predicted when Trump became president.

As far as radical centrist positions, how about we're against infanticide, drug cartels, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities/states, single payer rationed healthcare, and MS-13 gangs?

The point I made was that there is no Far Right....there is a Far Left....and that the only political extremism is on the Left.
It is the basis of the Democrat party.


As for Krugman, it proves
Rule #1

Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

How is a "Centrist" ever Radical?

That's impossible.

Secondly, in relation to who is a Centrist considered "Radical"

Lastly, I agree, there is no such thing, or if there is, they are in small numbers as a Radical Right Wing.

Most of what The Right advocates is pretty normal stuff that anyone who cared about their families, their country, life, & liberty should advocate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Krugman is so wrong all the time I can't imagine why anyone lets him put anything in print? I'm still waiting for the economy to crash as Krugman predicted when Trump became president.

As far as radical centrist positions, how about we're against infanticide, drug cartels, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities/states, single payer rationed healthcare, and MS-13 gangs?

The point I made was that there is no Far Right....there is a Far Left....and that the only political extremism is on the Left.
It is the basis of the Democrat party.


As for Krugman, it proves
Rule #1

Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

How is a "Centrist" ever Radical?

That's impossible.

Secondly, in relation to who is a Centrist considered "Radical"

Lastly, I agree, there is no such thing, or if there is, they are in small numbers as a Radical Right Wing.

Most of what The Right advocates is pretty normal stuff that anyone who cared about their families, their country, life, & liberty should advocate.

"How is a "Centrist" ever Radical?

That's impossible."



Who are you quoting????

Not I.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Krugman is so wrong all the time I can't imagine why anyone lets him put anything in print? I'm still waiting for the economy to crash as Krugman predicted when Trump became president.

As far as radical centrist positions, how about we're against infanticide, drug cartels, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities/states, single payer rationed healthcare, and MS-13 gangs?

The point I made was that there is no Far Right....there is a Far Left....and that the only political extremism is on the Left.
It is the basis of the Democrat party.


As for Krugman, it proves
Rule #1

Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

How is a "Centrist" ever Radical?

That's impossible.

Secondly, in relation to who is a Centrist considered "Radical"

Lastly, I agree, there is no such thing, or if there is, they are in small numbers as a Radical Right Wing.

Most of what The Right advocates is pretty normal stuff that anyone who cared about their families, their country, life, & liberty should advocate.

"Lastly, I agree, there is no such thing, or if there is, they are in small numbers as a Radical Right Wing."


Let me reiterate: there is no Far Right in this country, nor is the term 'extremist' in any way representative of the Right, conservatives or the GOP.


It is simply one more lie for which the Left is infamous.



Rule #1

Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

Rule #2
To know what the Left is guilty of, just watch what they blame the other side of doing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One of the more recent and blatant lies from the Left:

"This is CNN: Chyron shows disgraced Democrat Ralph Northam as Republican


Posted by William A. Jacobson Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 10:00am
How many mistakes has CNN made that favor Republicans? Why do the mistakes almost always seem to be anti-Republican?

This is CNN: Chyron shows disgraced Democrat Ralph Northam as Republican





Add that to these lies by Krugman and the NYTimes:

"...the hallmark of fanatical centrism is the determination to see America’s left and right as equally extreme, no matter what they actually propose."

and

"...standing tall against extremism right and left. Yet the reality of American politics is asymmetric polarization: extremism on the right is a powerful political force, while extremism on the left isn’t. "



3. The lies of the Left are so ubiquitous, repeated with such regularity, that the casual (read 'inattentive') voter actually accepts same.
The truth is that there is no Far Right, no extremism on the Right. And the contention is eminently simple to prove.

 

[kiwiman127]

"Obsessions, Vanity and Delusions"
And I thought PC had started a thread about herself, because of her narcissistic, obsessive delusions. But to my disappointment, this thread turned out not to be the most honest thread, PC has ever posted.
Damn.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Obsessions, Vanity and Delusions"
And I thought PC had started a thread about herself, because of her narcissistic, obsessive delusions. But to my disappointment, this thread turned out not to be the most honest thread, PC has ever posted.
Damn.

Let's paint you, again, as the imbecile all readers recognize you to be.....

The premise is simple....almost as simple as you are: there is no Far Right in this country, and the only extremists are Liberals, Democrats, Leftists.


I've proven same by challenging you Leftists thus:

I challenged our Democrat slaves....er, voters......to find a way to support Krugman and the NYTimes' charges of 'extremism' on the Right.
None could.

But, watch how easily I can do so for the Left.....here is their latest heroine.....Ocasio....demanding extremism....




The Ocasio-Cortez/Democrat Party “Green New Deal.”

a. Every industrial and residential building is to be retro-fitted with every techological advance available

b. Elimination of all greenhouse gases

c. A committee will be formed that would have a mandate to push union membership

d. The committee would form a national jobs force to move all workers into green jobs

e. A guaranteed living wage and a universal income

f. Medicare for all

g. The federal government would take over and regulate and unionize all industries

 

[The Original Tree]

Krugman is so wrong all the time I can't imagine why anyone lets him put anything in print? I'm still waiting for the economy to crash as Krugman predicted when Trump became president.

As far as radical centrist positions, how about we're against infanticide, drug cartels, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities/states, single payer rationed healthcare, and MS-13 gangs?

The point I made was that there is no Far Right....there is a Far Left....and that the only political extremism is on the Left.
It is the basis of the Democrat party.


As for Krugman, it proves
Rule #1

Every argument from Democrats and Liberals is a misrepresentation, a fabrication, or a bald-faced lie.

How is a "Centrist" ever Radical?

That's impossible.

Secondly, in relation to who is a Centrist considered "Radical"

Lastly, I agree, there is no such thing, or if there is, they are in small numbers as a Radical Right Wing.

Most of what The Right advocates is pretty normal stuff that anyone who cared about their families, their country, life, & liberty should advocate.

"How is a "Centrist" ever Radical?

That's impossible."



Who are you quoting????

Not I.

Quoting myself and questioning the lunatic that wrote the article.

 

[Claudette]

What he wrote sure was a steaming pile of horse shit.

Only the lefty loons would believe that shit.