Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Full-Auto]

So do you agree with the way the police have been treating the protesters? They make it clear they want to stay non violent.

By that theory a bank robber who says "please" and "thank you" without hurting anyone must not be prosecuted. I'd go along with that if he/she stole only YOUR money.

So people should not be allowed to protest peacefully?

Yes, without question.

However blocking traffic takes it beyond peaceful and into the realm of insurrection. As blocking traffic interferes with commerce.

 

[Si modo]

So, these folks are 'protesting' with no reason.

Some posters seem to understand what the 'protest' is about, but they can't seem to articulate that.

And, when someone does articulate what this is all about, others say they aren't speaking for the 'protesters'.

Does anyone know what the demands and/or grievances are and what they want done to mitigate those grievances? This is an honest question.

 

[Stephanie]

Interesting – I was listening to an ‘OWS’ person express the movement’s tenets and he sounded just like a member of the TPM.

Bull
The TP is NOT CALLING on the Government to STEP in and TAKE CARE OF THINGS as this group is.
Also the Tea party don't OCCUPY places as these leftist idiots..this isn't A PROTEST.
It's an outright DISTURBANCE which will more than likely end in VIOLENCE.

If there is blood in the streets, it will be on the hands of ALL YOU who is ENCOURAGING and standing with this..

live with that.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Interesting – I was listening to an ‘OWS’ person express the movement’s tenets and he sounded just like a member of the TPM.

What were the tenets?

Please list them so I can decide for myself if your observation is accurate.



BTW whats up with the letters from SEIU sent to union members several months ago telling them to prepare for fall protests on wall street and all the prep done for this by various groups.....its like it was a pre-planned outrage? SEIU plans days of rage against Wall Street

 

[Intense]

Interesting – I was listening to an ‘OWS’ person express the movement’s tenets and he sounded just like a member of the TPM.

What were the tenets?

Please list them so I can decide for myself if your observation is accurate.



BTW whats up with the letters from SEIU sent to union members several months ago telling them to prepare for fall protests on wall street and all the prep done for this by various groups.....its like it was a pre-planned outrage? SEIU plans days of rage against Wall Street

On March 25 ACORN founder Wade Rathke, a one-time president of an SEIU local in New Orleans, announced what he described as “days of rage in ten cities around JP Morgan Chase.” Rathke said the forthcoming campaign of demonstrations, strikes and disruption will mark “the beginning of the anti-banking jihad.”

This kind of inflammatory language hasn’t been in the news since the days of Patty Hearst, the Weathermen, and the Black Panthers. But it has always characterized the rhetoric of left-wing activists. Now, as the labor movement lurches increasingly to port in frustration at the stalemated politics of Washington, D.C., you can expect to hear more fighting words from the activist Left. SEIU plans days of rage against Wall Street

From Your Link.

 

[Dragon]

You don't know what a constitutional republic is?

What I don't know is what California Girl means by that phrase, which is something non-standard.

Normally, "our Constitutional Republic" would mean the U.S. government as established by the United States Constitution. However the only way to overthrow THAT constitutional republic would be by force, and she says that's not what she's talking about. Also, she speaks of replacing it with something "more socialistic," but the Constitution does not mention the economic system at all. In theory, we could have any degree of socialism without changing the Constitution at all.

So I need her to clarify what SHE means by "our Constitutional Republic." Not what it normally means.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So, what is it that the OWS wants?

They deny what was on their site and their site now says they are not an official site.

The posters here who claim to be part of them say they only want dialog.

But, they don't articulate what that means.

They claim they have no demands.

So, seriously....WTF?

Whatever they may have been, now it's just the greedy union goons shrieking "Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee."

 

[Dragon]

So, these folks are 'protesting' with no reason.

Some posters seem to understand what the 'protest' is about, but they can't seem to articulate that.

And, when someone does articulate what this is all about, others say they aren't speaking for the 'protesters'.

Does anyone know what the demands and/or grievances are and what they want done to mitigate those grievances? This is an honest question.

It's been published before, but here you are again:

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

 

[Uncensored2008]

So people should not be allowed to protest peacefully?

they have the right to protest and rational people have the right to recognize them a petulant morons.

Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don't see anybody wanting to pull successful people down..

ROFL

That's because your head is so far up your ass that you only see your small intestine.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I guess the question was too hard for Dragon... or maybe he really doesn't want to answer - at least, not honestly.

Which begs the question. Do the left really want to tear up the Constitution and create a new America?

You know full well that's what they want.

Dragon ducked the question instead of lying, he deserves some credit for that shred of integrity.

 

[Si modo]

You don't know what a constitutional republic is?

What I don't know is what California Girl means by that phrase, which is something non-standard.

Normally, "our Constitutional Republic" would mean the U.S. government as established by the United States Constitution. However the only way to overthrow THAT constitutional republic would be by force, and she says that's not what she's talking about. Also, she speaks of replacing it with something "more socialistic," but the Constitution does not mention the economic system at all. In theory, we could have any degree of socialism without changing the Constitution at all.

So I need her to clarify what SHE means by "our Constitutional Republic." Not what it normally means.

She clarified. When she says CR, she means CR, and the "our" means the USA.

Seems pretty clear.

 

[Uncensored2008]

According to Dragon, the End the Constitution protestors have these demands;

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

How is it THEIR houses if they haven't paid for out, built it or have title? The End the Constitution protestors are simply demanding that they be given free houses, because they want them - Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee


They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

Obviously the End the Constitution protestors are morons, but if "they" have poisoned the food supply, why are people living longer than any time in human history?

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

So the End the Constitution morons view Solyndra and the other fiascoes perpetrated in the name of the "Green" religion to be "blocking?"

How fucking stupid ARE these End the Constitution protestors anyway?

 

[Si modo]

So, these folks are 'protesting' with no reason.

Some posters seem to understand what the 'protest' is about, but they can't seem to articulate that.

And, when someone does articulate what this is all about, others say they aren't speaking for the 'protesters'.

Does anyone know what the demands and/or grievances are and what they want done to mitigate those grievances? This is an honest question.

It's been published before, but here you are again:

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

Thanks.

Can you cite the source of this?

I mean, I don't know who you are. Maybe another poster will come here and say THEY are part of OWS and claim that you don't know shit.

Not saying you don't, just you have done just that about other sources of what the OWS is about and I just want some sort of consistency and legitimacy of source.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can any Lib tell us how pulling successful people down will help?

I don't see anybody wanting to pull successful people down..

 

[Dragon]

She clarified. When she says CR, she means CR, and the "our" means the USA.

Seems pretty clear.

Then I already answered the question. The only way to pull down the constitution and overthrow the government is forcibly. I would not be in favor of doing that, as I said.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Then I already answered the question. The only way to pull down the constitution and overthrow the government is forcibly. I would not be in favor of doing that, as I said.

But you strongly support the goals of the End the Constitution protests, whatever those goals may be, right?

 

[Si modo]

She clarified. When she says CR, she means CR, and the "our" means the USA.

Seems pretty clear.

Then I already answered the question. The only way to pull down the constitution and overthrow the government is forcibly. I would not be in favor of doing that, as I said.

Good to know.

Do you think your complaints are in line with conserving the Constitution?

 

[Dragon]

Good to know.

Do you think your complaints are in line with conserving the Constitution?

If you mean the list of complaints I posted above from OWS, yes, certainly. There is no need to overthrow the government in order to remedy those grievances.

EDIT: In my personal opinion (speaking only my own thoughts), the core problem is corporate influence on the government. The voters aren't offered progressive reforms at the ballot box (or when they are offered, as in 2008, it turns out to be empty campaign rhetoric). We are presented a choice between corporate-owned social moderates (the Democrats) and corporate-owned social right-wingers (the Republicans). So we can vote to screw ourselves over while promoting gay rights and legal abortion, or we can vote to screw ourselves over while retarding gay rights and making abortion more difficult. Not much of a choice.

The reason for OWS is to rock the boat enough that policies not in service to the greed of the very rich, and serving the public interest instead, can be offered for a vote. The politicians will not do this unless they are made to understand, in no uncertain terms, that the people DEMAND it.

 

[peach174]

So, these folks are 'protesting' with no reason.

Some posters seem to understand what the 'protest' is about, but they can't seem to articulate that.

And, when someone does articulate what this is all about, others say they aren't speaking for the 'protesters'.

Does anyone know what the demands and/or grievances are and what they want done to mitigate those grievances? This is an honest question.

It's about big government,anti -capitalism and redistribution of wealth. By the leaders of these groups.
A mixture of Communism, Socialism and Marxism.
It's always the same when they start this crap (application), if it's done right it works.
No mater how it is implemented it always leads to hording and not to handout.

It always leads everyone into slavery from the government, those who work to give to those who don't.
Redistribution of wealth always leads to ;
No hope
No Future
No Dreams
No pride in yourself and
No accomplishments.

They want more of the American people on drugs, alcohol and in gangs which is what happens when you give someone something without them working for it.

These poor protesters are being duped and used.

Why do you think so many people all around the world want to come to America?
To escape Communism, Socialism and Marxism.