Official Impeachment Thread 2.0: House Judiciary Committee Hearings

[MAGAman]

Let the main dogs come forward and testify; Trump, Pompeo, Giuliani, Bolton, Mulvaney.
If they are not allowed to testify, it is the equivalent of pleading the 5th and they are guilty.

Shut up and help all push to get those involved, under oath, tell the world what happened and why.

Too bad for you this is America.

 

[JGalt]

"17 Days Ago The Speaker of The House, Nancy Pelosi called The President an Imposter"

Just a week ago, Adam Schiff said he wanted to "send The President back to The Golden Throne he came from."

Jerry Nadler said that "we have to move forward with impeachment or we risk The President being re-elected."

These are all BIASED Statements, and there is NO NEUTRAL PERSON running these HEARINGS.

It's a GROSS VIOLATION of DUE PROCESS.

You stupid idiot, it's not mean to be an impartial process. THIS IS NOT A COURT OF LAW. IMPEACHMENT IS A POLITICAL PROCEEDING, NOT A CRIMINAL PROCEEDING. THIS ISN'T EVEN AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL. THIS IS HEARING TO ESTABLISH WHAT IMPEACHABLE OFFENCES SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT.

Your Russian ignorance is showing.

Wrong. Read again. ALL GOVERNMENT PROCEEDINGS are supposed to GUARANTEE DUE PROCESS.

Procedural due process

Procedural due process requires government officials to follow fair procedures before depriving a person of life, liberty, or property.[25]:657 When the government seeks to deprive a person of one of those interests, procedural due process requires the government to afford the person, at minimum, notice, an opportunity to be heard, and a decision made by a neutral decisionmaker.

This protection extends to all government proceedings that can result in an individual's deprivation, whether civil or criminal in nature, from parole violation hearings to administrative hearings regarding government benefits and entitlements to full-blown criminal trials.

• An unbiased tribunal.
• Notice of the proposed action and the grounds asserted for it.

• Opportunity to present reasons why the proposed action should not be taken.
• The right to present evidence, including the right to call witnesses.
• The right to know opposing evidence.
• The right to cross-examine adverse witnesses.
• A decision based exclusively on the evidence presented.

• Opportunity to be represented by counsel.
• Requirement that the tribunal prepares a record of the evidence presented.
• Requirement that the tribunal prepares written findings of fact and reasons for its decision.

Due Process Clause - Wikipedia

YOU STUPID CLOWN!!!

IMPEACHMENT REQUIRES NO "DUE PROCESS", BECAUSE IT IS NOT A TRIAL. THE PROCESS IS WHATEVER PELOSI AND THE HOUSE DECIDE IT TO BE. THE TRIAL TAKES PLACE IN THE SENATE WHERE TRUMP WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND CALL WITNESSES.

It is shocking how stupid the Trump supporters are.
Their world is defined by Trump. Whatever Trump says, they believe. That is because they are brainless and have no base of knowledge to disagree with what Trump says.

We all have our patterns of behavior...

"It was my understanding..."

"It was common knowledge..."

"I was under the impression..."

 

[BluesLegend]

Goddamn how low can Dem's stoop attacking a 13 year old kid WTF??

When the facts are not in your favor, facts are that Trump actions warrant impeachment, you look for some issue to get away from the truth.

What she said was you can name your child Barron but you cannot appoint him a baron. A euphemism about we have a democrfact not a monarchy. It is about a name not anything to do with characteristics of young Barron.

The poor kid has had his father talking about grabbing women by the pussy, about his father cheating on his mother, about having sex with a porn star. Donald Trump should start acting like a respectable father for Barron's sake. He then would, also, be a better President.

Dem filth sunk so low as to attack president Trump's child that's how sick those Dem assholes are.

 

[toobfreak]

Every Dimwinger on the Committee is asking the same thing:
Dimwinger Congresscritter: "Um, is what the Orange Bad Man did impeachable"?
Leftist Hack Academic: "In my opinion, I think it was".
And this is what the Dimwingers have? Really?

Sounds like two rapists eyeing up their victim laying on an alley grounds after the assault.

"I think she deserved that! What do you think!"

"I totally agree. She had that coming to her!"

"Thanks. I just wanted to be sure we were justified."

 

[ElmerMudd]

Goddamn how low can Dem's stoop attacking a 13 year old kid WTF??

When the facts are not in your favor, facts are that Trump actions warrant impeachment, you look for some issue to get away from the truth.

What she said was you can name your child Barron but you cannot appoint him a baron. A euphemism about we have a democrfact not a monarchy. It is about a name not anything to do with characteristics of young Barron.

The poor kid has had his father talking about grabbing women by the pussy, about his father cheating on his mother, about having sex with a porn star. Donald Trump should start acting like a respectable father for Barron's sake. He then would, also, be a better President.

Can you imagine how hysterical the media would be right now, if that was said about one of Michelle Obama's kids?


A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.

Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) December 4, 2019

I agree that any personal information about minor children of politicians is out of bounds. But a play on words using the child's name is hardly anything to get upset about.
How do you feel Barron was harmed or insulted by the words?

 

[BluesLegend]

Goddamn how low can Dem's stoop attacking a 13 year old kid WTF??

When the facts are not in your favor, facts are that Trump actions warrant impeachment, you look for some issue to get away from the truth.

What she said was you can name your child Barron but you cannot appoint him a baron. A euphemism about we have a democrfact not a monarchy. It is about a name not anything to do with characteristics of young Barron.

The poor kid has had his father talking about grabbing women by the pussy, about his father cheating on his mother, about having sex with a porn star. Donald Trump should start acting like a respectable father for Barron's sake. He then would, also, be a better President.

Can you imagine how hysterical the media would be right now, if that was said about one of Michelle Obama's kids?


A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.

Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) December 4, 2019

The first lady bitch slaps disgusting House Dem's for attacking her child.

 

[BS Filter]

The outcome is predetermined. The votes will be strictly along party lines in both the House and Senate.

Trump's legacy will be that he is only the third president in history to be impeached.

The legacy of the Democrat party is that they are a gang of subversive douchebag who abuse Constitutional process to persecute their political opponents.

History will remember nothing about the current crop of Democrats.

Trump will go down in history as the third president to be impeached.

So? Trump is going to be reelected.

And then he will run up more debt than Obama while you cucks sit there and take it.

Hardly. Democrats are gonna get shellacked.

 

[The Original Tree]

Why are we now seeing One Democrat after another? Is this another rigged set of rules where Republicans are gagged in certain parts of the Kangaroo Court Clown Show?

Every Dimwinger on the Committee is asking the same thing:

Dimwinger Congresscritter: "Um, is what the Orange Bad Man did impeachable"?

Leftist Hack Academic: "In my opinion, I think it was".

And this is what the Dimwingers have? Really?

 

[JGalt]

Goddamn how low can Dem's stoop attacking a 13 year old kid WTF??

When the facts are not in your favor, facts are that Trump actions warrant impeachment, you look for some issue to get away from the truth.

What she said was you can name your child Barron but you cannot appoint him a baron. A euphemism about we have a democrfact not a monarchy. It is about a name not anything to do with characteristics of young Barron.

The poor kid has had his father talking about grabbing women by the pussy, about his father cheating on his mother, about having sex with a porn star. Donald Trump should start acting like a respectable father for Barron's sake. He then would, also, be a better President.

Can you imagine how hysterical the media would be right now, if that was said about one of Michelle Obama's kids?


A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.

Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) December 4, 2019

I agree that any personal information about minor children of politicians is out of bounds. But a play on words using the child's name is hardly anything to get upset about.
How do you feel Barron was harmed or insulted by the words?

Well it's pretty obvious that he was, seeing as how Karlan saw it fit to apologize...

Pamela Karlan: "I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that." pic.twitter.com/7lYiRWCKjw

CSPAN (@cspan) December 4, 2019

 

[BluesLegend]

But a play on words using the child's name is hardly anything to get upset about.

WOW keep telling America who you really are, please.

 

[Zorro!]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE. MOVE ALONG. Holy Schiff! Phone Records Show Schiff Spied on Giuliani, Rep. Devin Nunes, and a ‘Hill’ Reporter.

Way back in the footnotes were records of phone calls, helpfully produced and highlighted, between Trump's private attorney, Rudy Giuliani, and Congressman Devin Nunes, the ranking member of the House Intel Committee, Schiff’s colleague. You read that right. Schiff appears to have spied on Devin Nunes.

Schiff got the phone records of Giuliani’s calls with the White House.

And then there were the call records of Lev Parnas, a Giuliani associate, who’s fighting campaign finance charges, and a number of people, including former Hill reporter John Solomon; attorneys Victoria Toensing and Jay Sekulow, both of whom have represented President Trump; along with Nunes.

Schiff didn’t divulge phone calls between Parnas and any other reporters, congressional representatives, or attorneys but claims the dates on which the phone calls happened reveal multiple conversations in advance of Trump’s sacking his Ukrainian Ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, which, by the way, isn’t against the law.

Schiff claims the people and phone calls showed that there was an orchestrated effort to investigate Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter’s dealings in advance of the 2020 election.

Reporter John Solomon was also highlighted for talking to Parnas, an apparent source, with the fruits of the conversations perhaps being the following stories:

Schiff has repeatedly gone after Solomon, accusing him of peddling “conspiracy theories.” The political pressure on The Hill by Schiff and his acolytes prompted Solomon to leave. Editor in Chief Bob Cusack said on Twitter that he would “meticulously” go over all of Solomon’s Ukraine opinion columns.


Bob Cusack

✔@BobCusack
· Dec 3, 2019

The Hill is conducting a meticulous review of opinion columns written by John Solomon on the subject of Ukraine that will be handled by a team of editors and reporters. All results of the review will be transparent and public.


Yossi Gestetner

✔@YossiGestetner

What's there to review in an opiniom column? It's an opinion. Take it or leave it. cc @jsolomonReports


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1:09 PM - Dec 3, 2019

Schiff described Solomon in the “key people” part of the impeachment report as the “author of articles promoting debunked conspiracy theories about the Bidens, Crowdstrike, and the 2016 U.S. election.”

Schiff succeeded in issuing his report the day before Congressman Jerry Nadler's Judiciary Committee gavels in its impeachment hearings and before next week's release of the Department of Justice Inspector General's report on alleged abuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by the Obama FBI and DOJ in its investigation into President Trump's campaign.

 

[OKTexas]

They have text messages between Bill Taylor and Gordon Sondlond

They have the summary transcript

They have multiple testimonies all pointing in the same direction

They have phone recordings with Guiliani and associates

The Trump Admin fired the ambassador that was critical of the scheme

They have someone who overheard Trump asking specifically if Ukraine would conduct the investigations

Trump's own Chief of Staff's "We do this all the time" comment certainly doesn't help

There's financial records of the aid being frozen, despite having congressional approval, and now we know to avoid making it look "too" illegal, they renewed the freeze every 2-6 days


There is more than this, a lot more. Anyone making the suggestion that the case is based on flimsy evidence certainly doesn't know what they're talking about. This is a rock solid case that any defense attorney would be terrified of taking in a court of law.

Still waiting on the quote where Trump asked for anything for himself. What's wrong child, can't back your crap up?

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Let's get Trump under oath along with Pompeo, Mulvaney and Pence and find out exactly what was said and what was intended. If they tell the truth and he did nothing, Trump will not be convicted and kicked out of office. I and others who feel he should be impeached and convicted, will shut up. If they tell the truth and he did what circumstantial evidence indicates, he is kicked out of office and you can all shut up. If they lie, they all go to jail.

You gonna send prof feldman to jail for lying today?

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[Slade3200]

Is there a bigger whiner in Congress than Jim Jordan?! I’ve never heard a grown up yell and rant and whine and complain as much as this guy! Maxine Waters is a close second but Jim takes the cake!

 

[The Original Tree]

Worst Apology Ever.

Goddamn how low can Dem's stoop attacking a 13 year old kid WTF??

When the facts are not in your favor, facts are that Trump actions warrant impeachment, you look for some issue to get away from the truth.

What she said was you can name your child Barron but you cannot appoint him a baron. A euphemism about we have a democrfact not a monarchy. It is about a name not anything to do with characteristics of young Barron.

The poor kid has had his father talking about grabbing women by the pussy, about his father cheating on his mother, about having sex with a porn star. Donald Trump should start acting like a respectable father for Barron's sake. He then would, also, be a better President.

Can you imagine how hysterical the media would be right now, if that was said about one of Michelle Obama's kids?


A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.

Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) December 4, 2019

I agree that any personal information about minor children of politicians is out of bounds. But a play on words using the child's name is hardly anything to get upset about.
How do you feel Barron was harmed or insulted by the words?

Well it's pretty obvious that he was, seeing as how Karlan saw it fit to apologize...

Pamela Karlan: "I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that." pic.twitter.com/7lYiRWCKjw

CSPAN (@cspan) December 4, 2019

 

[Slade3200]

Not according to Turley, the republican lawyer who acknowledged there is a quite serious case which needs to be further vetted.

He clearly said the case was weak and wrong.

Please try to keep up.

No he didn’t. He said that bribery was wrong and that they didn’t have enough proof to back up the accusations. He thinks the White House witnessed should testify and the process should not be rushed. Try and be more accurate

Yes, he did. Why lie about it when his testimony is posted?

Show me the quote where he said it was wrong. I missed it

You miss a lot. It isn't my responsibility to hold your hand.

I don’t need my hand held. I was just asking you to back up your claims. Appears that you can’t do so.

 

[Zorro!]

YET ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IS ASKING WHY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SUCH A CESSPIT OF RACISM: ‘Not one person of color:’ Rep. Al Green (D-TX) scolds Congress over lack of diversity of impeachment witnesses.

 

[BluesLegend]

Goddamn how low can Dem's stoop attacking a 13 year old kid WTF??

When the facts are not in your favor, facts are that Trump actions warrant impeachment, you look for some issue to get away from the truth.

What she said was you can name your child Barron but you cannot appoint him a baron. A euphemism about we have a democrfact not a monarchy. It is about a name not anything to do with characteristics of young Barron.

The poor kid has had his father talking about grabbing women by the pussy, about his father cheating on his mother, about having sex with a porn star. Donald Trump should start acting like a respectable father for Barron's sake. He then would, also, be a better President.

Can you imagine how hysterical the media would be right now, if that was said about one of Michelle Obama's kids?


A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.

Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) December 4, 2019

I agree that any personal information about minor children of politicians is out of bounds. But a play on words using the child's name is hardly anything to get upset about.
How do you feel Barron was harmed or insulted by the words?

Well it's pretty obvious that he was, seeing as how Karlan saw it fit to apologize...

Pamela Karlan: "I want to apologize for what I said earlier about the president's son. It was wrong of me to do that. I wish the president would apologize, obviously, for the things that he's done that's wrong, but I do regret having said that." pic.twitter.com/7lYiRWCKjw

CSPAN (@cspan) December 4, 2019

Apology NOT accepted. There's no taking that back the cat's out of the bag, this is who these asshole Dem's are. Vile disgusting creeps. Take a good long look America, lowlife Dem's who attack the first lady's child.

 

[The Original Tree]

You’d whine if you were in Turkish Jail and under Turkish Law and were denied your Civil Rights and Due Process.

Is there a bigger whiner in Congress than Jim Jordan?! I’ve never heard a grown up yell and rant and whine and complain as much as this guy! Maxine Waters is a close second but Jim takes the cake!

 

[ElmerMudd]

Let the main dogs come forward and testify; Trump, Pompeo, Giuliani, Bolton, Mulvaney.
If they are not allowed to testify, it is the equivalent of pleading the 5th and they are guilty.

Shut up and help all push to get those involved, under oath, tell the world what happened and why.

Too bad for you this is America.

Yes this is America and no one is above the law. The accused have the right to defend themself and provide evidence to counter accusations.
Evidentiary law allows all pertinent facts and individuals should be included for due process.

So what in the frick were you talking about saying ":"too bad this is America"? Did you say that because you are a dumbshit and do not know our laws?

 

[Slade3200]

All Government Hearings and Proceedings are required by LAW to guarantee Due Process.

So what? If they make a false claim then call them on it. Their bias has nothing to do with the validity or invalidity of the things they say

They aren't witnesses and they aren't presenting evidence. Their very appearance is a violation of DUE PROCESS.

Is The President allowed to Call up his OWN LEGAL Experts to give their contrary opinions?

No.

So this again is an ILLEGAL Proceeding just like that one held in The Intelligence Committee

no shit, they are legal experts giving their analysis of the testimonies and evidence that’s been collected thus far. Do you not understand that?

IN a real trial, do you imagine that only the prosecution gets to call expert witnesses?

It amazes me what a bunch of fucking Stalinist douchebags all the leftwingers in this forum are.

in a real trial? Like a court trial? What are you talking about? This is a congressional impeachment inquiry not a trial, Not a trial. You’re trying to muddy the water but you’re doing a piss poor job at it.

True, and the process for an impeachment inquiry is clearly outlined. What is it that you don’t think is being followed?