Oh My God--DNC is attacking the American Populace in new add regarding health bill

[Lonestar_logic]

Palin has had MANY complaints filed against her that have mostly been UNFOUNDED (there's a few pending but I know will be unfounded as well). Her children have been attacked. Lies have been spreed. We have every reason to defend her. They have attacked in very personal ways.

The complaints filed against the Clintons were unfounded, too. The Starr Report mentioned Whitewater once and the blue dress 1,000 times. And I think most sane people know that Vince Foster off'd himself. That's political life. One of my favorite people on the planet, who's unfortunately gone now, used to tell me "politics is a full contact team sport". And her kids were not attacked. If she wants them out of the line of fire, she can't use them for political purpose. I think she forgot that.

We are standing up and saying ENOUGH!!! You can take your socialist crap and shove it up your .........

Now to go turn myself in to the great one and make sure he knows I hate what's in the health care bill. You can turn me in yourself too... [email protected] Everyone turn yourselves in...

Here's some more information on turning yourself in:

Brutally Honest: White House asks for Americans to turn in Americans (UPDATED)(AGAIN)

you know, I have no problem discussing this stuff, but I really don't have a lot of interest in the OTT stuff like that.

if you want to talk about real issues, always happy to chat with you.

Her kids were not attacked you say??

What rock have you been living under?

BREAKING: ATTACKS ON PALIN'S CHILDREN MAY BRING CRIMINAL CHARGES - Public Advocate of the United States, Eugene Delgaudio, President

Filmmaker John Ziegler Defends Sarah Palin, Denounces Media’s Attacks on Her Children… Heated Interview on ‘The View’ about Media Bias « Frugal Café Blog Zone

American Power: Wonkette Attacks Trig Palin as 'Cheap Prop', Links More Grotesque Photoshops!

 

[WillowTree]

My apologies. I didn't dumb my answer down enough for you.

I'm not going to bother to refute what you say if it has nothing to do with the conclusion you are attempting to draw. Why waste energy debating nonsense when you can prove a causal link?

then don't waste your energy by all means. It's not mandatory after all.

My thought exactly

well we are glad to hear you finally had a thought.. Kerry on!

 

[jillian]

You're welcome and you're correct that "after it's enactment insurance companies can't circumvent the legislation by offering new policies except in accordance with the terms of the legislation."

And that's the rub. You will not be able to purchase a plan of your choosing. It has to be in accordance with whatever the govt. terms are. I might also add that if you choose not to have health coverage you will be fined and enrolled in a program whether you want it or not. Bottom line is there is no option public or otherwise.

It's a long read but I urge everyone to read it. Lord knows your representatives ain't. But I must admit it's not written for the average citizen to understand.

Isn't the whole point that the insurance companies have to comply with the provisions of the law?? I'm not sure what the objection is... they'll still offer insurance, it just has to be in keeping with the bill's mandates... like no pre-existing condition exclusions, etc., and the policies have to go into the group so they compete against each other.

These are good things, IMO, not bad.

 

[Xenophon]

Calling tax paying Americans the "mob" somehow ain't gonna sit to well. methinks.. folks you are seeing chicargo thuggery at it's finest.

And speaking of Chicago thuggery, here is the community organizer himself telling folks to "get in their face"...

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Just followin' orders.

Do as I say, not as I do.

It was fun reading this thread, all kinds of deflections and attempts to derail it by the minions of the Obamatron.

The fact remains, anyone that doen't like that bill (three quarters of us) were just insulted by the DNC, that isn't going to help them one iota.

Dems have taken to rediculing to often, and now to far, that is how you lose he grip on power through arrogance.

 

[WillowTree]

Palin has had MANY complaints filed against her that have mostly been UNFOUNDED (there's a few pending but I know will be unfounded as well). Her children have been attacked. Lies have been spreed. We have every reason to defend her. They have attacked in very personal ways.

The complaints filed against the Clintons were unfounded, too. The Starr Report mentioned Whitewater once and the blue dress 1,000 times. And I think most sane people know that Vince Foster off'd himself. That's political life. One of my favorite people on the planet, who's unfortunately gone now, used to tell me "politics is a full contact team sport". And her kids were not attacked. If she wants them out of the line of fire, she can't use them for political purpose. I think she forgot that.

We are standing up and saying ENOUGH!!! You can take your socialist crap and shove it up your .........

Now to go turn myself in to the great one and make sure he knows I hate what's in the health care bill. You can turn me in yourself too... [email protected] Everyone turn yourselves in...

Here's some more information on turning yourself in:

Brutally Honest: White House asks for Americans to turn in Americans (UPDATED)(AGAIN)

you know, I have no problem discussing this stuff, but I really don't have a lot of interest in the OTT stuff like that.

if you want to talk about real issues, always happy to chat with you.

Her kids were not attacked you say??

What rock have you been living under?

BREAKING: ATTACKS ON PALIN'S CHILDREN MAY BRING CRIMINAL CHARGES - Public Advocate of the United States, Eugene Delgaudio, President

Filmmaker John Ziegler Defends Sarah Palin, Denounces Media’s Attacks on Her Children… Heated Interview on ‘The View’ about Media Bias « Frugal Café Blog Zone

American Power: Wonkette Attacks Trig Palin as 'Cheap Prop', Links More Grotesque Photoshops!

you would fair better in this world if you realized most lawyers aren't about truth.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Lonestar,

Thanks for the link. Appreciated. I didn't go back and re-read the thread after reading a lot of the nonsense that was being posted, but am glad to have the proposal in hand.

Now, to Soggy whose entire city was restored courtesy of the US taxpayers....

After a quick reading, the law seems to provide that you retain your choice of insurance. But the whole point of the legislation is that after it's enactment insurance companies can't circumvent the legislation by offering new policies except in accordance with the terms of the legislation.

That seems to mean, pursuant to paragraph 6(B) they have to go through the Health Insurance Exchange with public health option ALONGSIDE private plans."

So it doesn't provide what you say it does.

And THAT is why I wanted to read it myself.

Now feel free to apologize for lying.

You're welcome and you're correct that "after it's enactment insurance companies can't circumvent the legislation by offering new policies except in accordance with the terms of the legislation."

And that's the rub. You will not be able to purchase a plan of your choosing. It has to be in accordance with whatever the govt. terms are. I might also add that if you choose not to have health coverage you will be fined and enrolled in a program whether you want it or not. Bottom line is there is no option public or otherwise.

It's a long read but I urge everyone to read it. Lord knows your representatives ain't. But I must admit it's not written for the average citizen to understand.

How do you do a "quick read" of a 1,018 page document and expect anybody to take you seriously?

Just in what you've posted, but not allowing "insurance companies can't circumvent the legislation by offering new policies except in accordance with the terms of the legislation" is how the government will crush the private sector because the Gubbamint is not motivated by profit and will undersell all the insurance companies and every employer in America will give their employees the Gubbamint Insurance gruel and that's the end of the private insurance business.

Exactly!

And no it's not a quick read by means.

 

[jillian]

Exactly!

And no it's not a quick read by means.

he's an idiot, but you know very well, i was only looking at the paragraph that formed the basis of soggy nola's assertion.... so while it was a quick read, it was a quick read of a couple of paragraphs...

not 1,000 pages.

i suspect you know better.

 

[EriktheRed]

"Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create 'classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on,' but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible." -- Obama own Dr. Mengele Ezekiel Emanuel

Did the guy also talk about performing experiments on people? If not, then you're full of shit comparing him to Mengele.


You're deluded if you think this kind of thinking isn't already going on, especially considering this last part of the quote:

empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible.

Life and death decisions based upon scarcity and degree of sickness happen all the time.

 

[WillowTree]

Calling tax paying Americans the "mob" somehow ain't gonna sit to well. methinks.. folks you are seeing chicargo thuggery at it's finest.

And speaking of Chicago thuggery, here is the community organizer himself telling folks to "get in their face"...

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Just followin' orders.

Do as I say, not as I do.

It was fun reading this thread, all kinds of deflections and attempts to derail it by the minions of the Obamatron.

The fact remains, anyone that doen't like that bill (three quarters of us) were just insulted by the DNC, that isn't going to help them one iota.

Dems have taken to rediculing to often, and now to far, that is how you lose he grip on power through arrogance.

I'm in agreement.. They crossed the line today.. There are going to be a lot more pissed off people(aka MOB) after this gets around.

 

[jillian]

Life and death decisions based upon scarcity and degree of sickness happen all the time.

but now they're being made by insurance companies that deny coverage so people die before they have to pay.

 

[Jay Canuck]

 

[Xenophon]

I'm in agreement.. They crossed the line today.. There are going to be a lot more pissed off people(aka MOB) after this gets around.

They could not have come up with a worse add.

This tactic did work for them with the teaparties, as they were small affairs and many people didn't know who was protesting, so they bought in to the white house spin that it was the GoP, or extremists or racists.

Now, at a different protest on a different matter, the dems used the same broad brush on the opposition, and all it will do is cause many people who believed the Obama on the tea parties to rethink that postion, as now THEY were labeled the same way for protesting.

That little snitch site is another thing, that should be closed down by the courts if it comes to that, its clearly a government invasion of the privacy of citiczens, the white house has no need of 'e-mails' and private conversations, it sounds like they are building dossiers on us to use against us.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Life and death decisions based upon scarcity and degree of sickness happen all the time.

but now they're being made by insurance companies that deny coverage so people die before they have to pay.

Did you miss the 2 minute Hate on the Insurance Companies this past Friday?

 

[Sweet Willy]

You guys realize that the government has been in the auto insurance business for decades, right? That auto insurance in mandatory, right? That the government offers auto insurance policies and has for decades? That the government dictates how much coverage you must have?

I haven't noticed that the auto insurance business was decimated when the government got into the insurance business. I haven't noticed that mandatory coverage and fines for not having coverage have been a negative thing.

 

[WillowTree]

I'm in agreement.. They crossed the line today.. There are going to be a lot more pissed off people(aka MOB) after this gets around.

They could not have come up with a worse add.

This tactic did work for them with the teaparties, as they were small affairs and many people didn't know who was protesting, so they bought in to the white house spin that it was the GoP, or extremists or racists.

Now, at a different protest on a different matter, the dems used the same broad brush on the opposition, and all it will do is cause many people who believed the Obama on the tea parties to rethink that postion, as now THEY were labeled the same way for protesting.

That little snitch site is another thing, that should be closed down by the courts if it comes to that, its clearly a government invasion of the privacy of citiczens, the white house has no need of 'e-mails' and private conversations, it sounds like they are building dossiers on us to use against us.

Fox interviewd a lady today from South America ,, she flat out said "It's the same type of tactics used in Venezuela."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You guys realize that the government has been in the auto insurance business for decades, right? That auto insurance in mandatory, right? That the government offers auto insurance policies and has for decades? That the government dictates how much coverage you must have?

I haven't noticed that the auto insurance business was decimated when the government got into the insurance business. I haven't noticed that mandatory coverage and fines for not having coverage have been a negative thing.

The Government also tells the US car companies how to operate...how'd that work out for us?

 

[Xenophon]

You guys realize that the government has been in the auto insurance business for decades, right? That auto insurance in mandatory, right? That the government offers auto insurance policies and has for decades? That the government dictates how much coverage you must have?

I haven't noticed that the auto insurance business was decimated when the government got into the insurance business. I haven't noticed that mandatory coverage and fines for not having coverage have been a negative thing.

Have you also noticed that insurance is an artificial business that creates nothing, yet we are all forced into it because of the government?

Do you think that is a good thing, a made up industry that you have no choice and have to be a part of?

Here we see that abomination being expanded into health care, do you believe that is a good thing?

 

[Sweet Willy]

I'm in agreement.. They crossed the line today.. There are going to be a lot more pissed off people(aka MOB) after this gets around.

They could not have come up with a worse add.

This tactic did work for them with the teaparties, as they were small affairs and many people didn't know who was protesting, so they bought in to the white house spin that it was the GoP, or extremists or racists.

Now, at a different protest on a different matter, the dems used the same broad brush on the opposition, and all it will do is cause many people who believed the Obama on the tea parties to rethink that postion, as now THEY were labeled the same way for protesting.

That little snitch site is another thing, that should be closed down by the courts if it comes to that, its clearly a government invasion of the privacy of citiczens, the white house has no need of 'e-mails' and private conversations, it sounds like they are building dossiers on us to use against us.

Fox interviewd a lady today from South America ,, she flat out said "It's the same type of tactics used in Venezuela."

Somebody said that on Fox News? I'm shocked.

You know, you can get your daily dose of bitterness in a simple pill these days?

 

[Tech_Esq]

This is only about the fourth time it's been posted in this thread

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

Lonestar,

Thanks for the link. Appreciated. I didn't go back and re-read the thread after reading a lot of the nonsense that was being posted, but am glad to have the proposal in hand.

Now, to Soggy whose entire city was restored courtesy of the US taxpayers....

After a quick reading, the law seems to provide that you retain your choice of insurance. But the whole point of the legislation is that after it's enactment insurance companies can't circumvent the legislation by offering new policies except in accordance with the terms of the legislation.

That seems to mean, pursuant to paragraph 6(B) they have to go through the Health Insurance Exchange with public health option ALONGSIDE private plans."

So it doesn't provide what you say it does.

And THAT is why I wanted to read it myself.

Now feel free to apologize for lying.

Just to shorten my read time, could you give me a page cite? As far as I can tell there are a lot of para 6(B)s in this .....er....legislation.

Thanks

 

[WillowTree]

They could not have come up with a worse add.

This tactic did work for them with the teaparties, as they were small affairs and many people didn't know who was protesting, so they bought in to the white house spin that it was the GoP, or extremists or racists.

Now, at a different protest on a different matter, the dems used the same broad brush on the opposition, and all it will do is cause many people who believed the Obama on the tea parties to rethink that postion, as now THEY were labeled the same way for protesting.

That little snitch site is another thing, that should be closed down by the courts if it comes to that, its clearly a government invasion of the privacy of citiczens, the white house has no need of 'e-mails' and private conversations, it sounds like they are building dossiers on us to use against us.

Fox interviewd a lady today from South America ,, she flat out said "It's the same type of tactics used in Venezuela."

Somebody said that on Fox News? I'm shocked.

You know, you can get your daily dose of bitterness in a simple pill these days?

cry us a river, some of us like to hear from folks around the world,, so we don't bother with KOS. Just like you spread the Republicans are the MOB truth.. it's gonna bite you in the ass.