One more reason why the Tax Proposal is a GOP scam.....

[BluesLegend]

The middle class stock holders of the corporations are swimming in profits, excellent!! What exactly is your problem?

So, idiot WHY do we then need a tax break for corporations???...........LOL

/-----/ Corporations pass the cost of taxes and regulation on to the consumer you big Dope. Frankly I pay enough for stuff as it is. Maybe you want to pay more.

Nat isn't the brightest bulb, its funny watching idiots lobby to raise taxes on themselves.

 

[NightFox]

If this tax plan (the senate version) goes through, THIRTEEN MILLION people will lose health care coverage....Any guesses by you right wingers on how these folks will vote in 2018 and 2020?...................LOL

Er... most of those 13 million people would be voluntarily giving up their health insurance if the Obamacare Mandate is repealed as the Senate Proposes, as in they think health insurance isn't worth the cost yet the penalty is more expensive, it's called individual choice absent government coercion, you got something against that?

According to the CBO report:
"Those effects would occur mainly because healthier people would be less likely to obtain insurance and because, especially in the nongroup market, the resulting increases in premiums would cause more people to not purchase insurance."
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/53300-individualmandate.pdf

In other words, they're not "losing" anything, they're choosing not to buy a product they don't want to buy.

 

[danielpalos]

The mantra (probably actually started by large corporations themselves) has long been that the U.S. tax code imposes the "biggest" tax burden in the world on corporations.......prompting the need to lower it from 35% to 20%......

On the surface (and for ignorant voters) that sounds like a legitimate gripe.....BUT IT'S A SCAM.

No one can really name a dozen or so corporations that actually DO pay the 35%, and that given all the loopholes ALSO included in our tax code, most corporation actually pay closer to 14% or even 0% in taxes.

So, can ANY proponents of this "new" tax proposal name what corporate "loop holes" have been eliminated from our current code???

Did you miss the election in Nov. ? Perhaps you don't know who won?

If the Dems. had won, perhaps that would be their agenda, but I don't think Trump and the Republicans give a shit about that, do you? Stop your bitching and enjoy the ride.

does the Debt mean nothing to the right wing?

Pshhh. I don't know if you lean left, but anyone on the left pretending they give a fly F about debt is being disingenuous. Anyone on the left bringing up the Debt now is spitting in the wind, seriously. And if they are on the right or non-partisan and bringing up the debt, yeah, chances are we didn't vote for these assholes, so w/e. Taxation is theft anyway, right?

Naturally the right gives lip service to it, they want to cut cut cut, mostly b/c they hate government meddling in their lives, not so much b/c they hate spending your money. They will find something to spend it on. . . .

We all know that.

At what percentage of taking your blood, sweat, and tears, at what percent of the government and the establishment seizing the property, does it become different than slavery? If slavery is 100% ownership of your production capacity, at what percent are you not a slave, 99%, 75%, or 50%?

When you Have to work for a living in an at-will employment State.

The left has that angle covered, too.

 

[danielpalos]

The middle class stock holders of the corporations are swimming in profits, excellent!! What exactly is your problem?

So, idiot WHY do we then need a tax break for corporations???...........LOL

/-----/ Corporations pass the cost of taxes and regulation on to the consumer you big Dope. Frankly I pay enough for stuff as it is. Maybe you want to pay more.

Nat isn't the brightest bulb, its funny watching idiots lobby to raise taxes on themselves.

Still haven't, ditched the drug war, right wingers?

 

[MisterBeale]

The mantra (probably actually started by large corporations themselves) has long been that the U.S. tax code imposes the "biggest" tax burden in the world on corporations.......prompting the need to lower it from 35% to 20%......

On the surface (and for ignorant voters) that sounds like a legitimate gripe.....BUT IT'S A SCAM.

No one can really name a dozen or so corporations that actually DO pay the 35%, and that given all the loopholes ALSO included in our tax code, most corporation actually pay closer to 14% or even 0% in taxes.

So, can ANY proponents of this "new" tax proposal name what corporate "loop holes" have been eliminated from our current code???

Did you miss the election in Nov. ? Perhaps you don't know who won?

If the Dems. had won, perhaps that would be their agenda, but I don't think Trump and the Republicans give a shit about that, do you? Stop your bitching and enjoy the ride.

does the Debt mean nothing to the right wing?

Pshhh. I don't know if you lean left, but anyone on the left pretending they give a fly F about debt is being disingenuous. Anyone on the left bringing up the Debt now is spitting in the wind, seriously. And if they are on the right or non-partisan and bringing up the debt, yeah, chances are we didn't vote for these assholes, so w/e. Taxation is theft anyway, right?

Naturally the right gives lip service to it, they want to cut cut cut, mostly b/c they hate government meddling in their lives, not so much b/c they hate spending your money. They will find something to spend it on. . . .

We all know that.

At what percentage of taking your blood, sweat, and tears, at what percent of the government and the establishment seizing the property, does it become different than slavery? If slavery is 100% ownership of your production capacity, at what percent are you not a slave, 99%, 75%, or 50%?

When you Have to work for a living in an at-will employment State.

The left has that angle covered, too.

Your post is unclear.

 

[whitehall]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

 

[danielpalos]

The mantra (probably actually started by large corporations themselves) has long been that the U.S. tax code imposes the "biggest" tax burden in the world on corporations.......prompting the need to lower it from 35% to 20%......

On the surface (and for ignorant voters) that sounds like a legitimate gripe.....BUT IT'S A SCAM.

No one can really name a dozen or so corporations that actually DO pay the 35%, and that given all the loopholes ALSO included in our tax code, most corporation actually pay closer to 14% or even 0% in taxes.

So, can ANY proponents of this "new" tax proposal name what corporate "loop holes" have been eliminated from our current code???

Did you miss the election in Nov. ? Perhaps you don't know who won?

If the Dems. had won, perhaps that would be their agenda, but I don't think Trump and the Republicans give a shit about that, do you? Stop your bitching and enjoy the ride.

does the Debt mean nothing to the right wing?

Pshhh. I don't know if you lean left, but anyone on the left pretending they give a fly F about debt is being disingenuous. Anyone on the left bringing up the Debt now is spitting in the wind, seriously. And if they are on the right or non-partisan and bringing up the debt, yeah, chances are we didn't vote for these assholes, so w/e. Taxation is theft anyway, right?

Naturally the right gives lip service to it, they want to cut cut cut, mostly b/c they hate government meddling in their lives, not so much b/c they hate spending your money. They will find something to spend it on. . . .

We all know that.

At what percentage of taking your blood, sweat, and tears, at what percent of the government and the establishment seizing the property, does it become different than slavery? If slavery is 100% ownership of your production capacity, at what percent are you not a slave, 99%, 75%, or 50%?

When you Have to work for a living in an at-will employment State.

The left has that angle covered, too.

Your post is unclear.

Requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron is a form of "wage slavery" in Any at-will employment State.

 

[danielpalos]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

 

[boedicca]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

 

[NightFox]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

LOL, You're missing the big picture.....

The Democrat goal is tax deductions for everyone that donates money to them, everybody else needs to pay their "fair share".

 

[MisterBeale]

Did you miss the election in Nov. ? Perhaps you don't know who won?

If the Dems. had won, perhaps that would be their agenda, but I don't think Trump and the Republicans give a shit about that, do you? Stop your bitching and enjoy the ride.

does the Debt mean nothing to the right wing?

Pshhh. I don't know if you lean left, but anyone on the left pretending they give a fly F about debt is being disingenuous. Anyone on the left bringing up the Debt now is spitting in the wind, seriously. And if they are on the right or non-partisan and bringing up the debt, yeah, chances are we didn't vote for these assholes, so w/e. Taxation is theft anyway, right?

Naturally the right gives lip service to it, they want to cut cut cut, mostly b/c they hate government meddling in their lives, not so much b/c they hate spending your money. They will find something to spend it on. . . .

We all know that.

At what percentage of taking your blood, sweat, and tears, at what percent of the government and the establishment seizing the property, does it become different than slavery? If slavery is 100% ownership of your production capacity, at what percent are you not a slave, 99%, 75%, or 50%?

When you Have to work for a living in an at-will employment State.

The left has that angle covered, too.

Your post is unclear.

Requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron is a form of "wage slavery" in Any at-will employment State.

No, I understand that part.

Are you supportive of the lefts meddling in the free market, or are you criticizing it. You haven't made your position in that clear.

And how does that have anything to do with the state using physical violence to either confiscate your wages, or throw you in jail if you do not voluntarily surrender it over?

That is no different then what slave masters do. Slave masters used to house, cloth, feed, and give just enough medical and education to their slaves to make them productive. Now, the government leaves you with just enough money so you can do these things to remain productive for the ruling elites, and they all know this, to them there is no difference between left and right, they just want slaves to produce for the rulers, IOW, the slave masters . . . . .

THAT, is what taxation is.

 

[danielpalos]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

Why are the poor paying for tax cuts for the rich?

 

[MisterBeale]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

You are asking the wrong question.

Why does the government need taxes.

 

[boedicca]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

Why are the poor paying for tax cuts for the rich?

Oh blah blah blah class warfare blah blah blah.

An individual's money is his property, not the governments. The government taking less of his money is not paid for by anyone else under a fair system of flat taxes across the board.

 

[danielpalos]

does the Debt mean nothing to the right wing?

Pshhh. I don't know if you lean left, but anyone on the left pretending they give a fly F about debt is being disingenuous. Anyone on the left bringing up the Debt now is spitting in the wind, seriously. And if they are on the right or non-partisan and bringing up the debt, yeah, chances are we didn't vote for these assholes, so w/e. Taxation is theft anyway, right?

Naturally the right gives lip service to it, they want to cut cut cut, mostly b/c they hate government meddling in their lives, not so much b/c they hate spending your money. They will find something to spend it on. . . .

We all know that.

At what percentage of taking your blood, sweat, and tears, at what percent of the government and the establishment seizing the property, does it become different than slavery? If slavery is 100% ownership of your production capacity, at what percent are you not a slave, 99%, 75%, or 50%?

When you Have to work for a living in an at-will employment State.

The left has that angle covered, too.

Your post is unclear.

Requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron is a form of "wage slavery" in Any at-will employment State.

No, I understand that part.

Are you supportive of the lefts meddling in the free market, or are you criticizing it. You haven't made your position in that clear.

And how does that have anything to do with the state using physical violence to either confiscate your wages, or throw you in jail if you do not voluntarily surrender it over?

That is no different then what slave masters do. Slave masters used to house, cloth, feed, and give just enough medical and education to their slaves to make them productive. Now, the government leaves you with just enough money so you can do these things to remain productive for the ruling elites, and they all know this, to them there is no difference between left and right, they just want slaves to produce for the rulers, IOW, the slave masters . . . . .

THAT, is what taxation is.

Congress is delegated the Power to Tax. It has been that way since before most of us were born.

 

[danielpalos]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

You are asking the wrong question.

Why does the government need taxes.

All of the specifics regarding the common defense and general welfare.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

Why are the poor paying for tax cuts for the rich?

They aren't.

 

[danielpalos]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

Why are the poor paying for tax cuts for the rich?

Oh blah blah blah class warfare blah blah blah.

An individual's money is his property, not the governments. The government taking less of his money is not paid for by anyone else under a fair system of flat taxes across the board.

Only under truer forms of socialism where equality is important.

Capitalism is not about equality.

 

[danielpalos]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

Why are the poor paying for tax cuts for the rich?

They aren't.

Wasn't the house version increasing the bottom rate and lowering the top rate?

 

[bendog]

The GOP tax proposal is a sham, but not for the reason put forth by the OP.

The real reason it is a sham is that it is yet more Progressive Class Warfare pitting lower and middle middle classes against the upper middle class. It does not cut taxes across the board.

The other way it is a sham is that it actually increases the percentage of the population which pay no income taxes whatsoever. This stratification is not healthy for our society, and is a violation of individual rights.

Why are the poor paying for tax cuts for the rich?

They aren't.

Wasn't the house version increasing the bottom rate and lowering the top rate?

I think so, but the scam is really about "tax reform." Neither bill is really about reducing expenditures to lower taxes. They're really supply side cuts that increase deficits.