One more reason why the Tax Proposal is a GOP scam.....

[bendog]

Lowering the corp rate would arguably be good for ALL of us, IF the tax cut was revenue neutral because it ended loopholes (a/k/a tax expenditures) for corporations, but that is not the case, AND the tax cut helps larger corporations more than small biz ... which of course harms the middle class at the expense of the 1% who own something like 95% of all equity/stocks.

Which (the above) was my intent in the O/P....Notice that NOT ONE right winger addressed my question?

Well, I support no more elective wars, lower taxes, lower spending, and cuts to medicare and social security. (-:

PS and the last time I voted for a dem for potus was 1996

 

[danielpalos]

Nat isn't the brightest bulb, its funny watching idiots lobby to raise taxes on themselves.

How the fuck did we go on a topic of LOWERING corporate taxes to the above idiot "concluding" that we are trying to RAISE taxes???.......LOL

Lib please do you deny that you tax and spend moochers don't want to raise taxes? Talk to the hand

The right wing doesn't want to cut spending, except for the poor.

Goddamn, liberals and Dem's tax the fuck out of the poor don't deny it. Look at liberal Oregon's income tax on the poor its damn near 10%. You greedy bastards are taking from the poor every change you get.

The bottom rate went from 10 percent to 12 percent. The top rate went down; according to right wing tax planning.

 

[NightFox]

Do we say, :fuck you, you opted to not have insurance.....go die on a street corner"?

If it were up to me ... yep...choices have consequences and it's not up to everybody else to pay for the consequences of someone else's bad decisions.

Of course people like you always want others to subsidize other peoples poor choices, probably because you're such poor decision makers and want to make sure you can loot other people when the time comes to pay the piper for your own stupidity.

 

[danielpalos]

The fact is high corporate taxes is stealing money from the middle class retirement savings invested in these corporations, and giving it to government to dole out to the moochers and deadbeats.

Let's tax the rich into Heaven.

Define "rich". Obama said I was rich and wanted to raise my taxes, he can go to hell.

Whoever Jesus the Christ referred to.

 

[BluesLegend]

Public and private pension funds, 401k's, have TRILLIONS of dollars invested in corporations its fact so suck it.

So, idiot, are you stating that giving corporations HUGE tax cuts will give more money to pension funds????

Are you so fucking dumb that you don;t realize the same? Have tax cuts to corporations been tried by Reagan and Bush? Why did we go into recessions AFTER these attempts?

It's simply dishonest and a disservice for the gop to label this "tax reform." It's a supply side cut when you figure in the estate tax. And it is not paid for by actual reform in eliminated tax expenditures.

Congress wrote it naturally its a screwed up mess like always. Its the GOP's version of Obamacare.

 

[Cellblock2429]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

/----/ Ahhh the old Class Envy card

 

[danielpalos]

The middle class stock holders of the corporations are swimming in profits, excellent!! What exactly is your problem?

So, idiot WHY do we then need a tax break for corporations???...........LOL

/-----/ Corporations pass the cost of taxes and regulation on to the consumer you big Dope. Frankly I pay enough for stuff as it is. Maybe you want to pay more.

Nat isn't the brightest bulb, its funny watching idiots lobby to raise taxes on themselves.

Still haven't, ditched the drug war, right wingers?

/-----/ Say what???

Just clueless and Causeless right wingers? The drug war cost (tax) money.

 

[BluesLegend]

Nat isn't the brightest bulb, its funny watching idiots lobby to raise taxes on themselves.

How the fuck did we go on a topic of LOWERING corporate taxes to the above idiot "concluding" that we are trying to RAISE taxes???.......LOL

Lib please do you deny that you tax and spend moochers don't want to raise taxes? Talk to the hand

The right wing doesn't want to cut spending, except for the poor.

Goddamn, liberals and Dem's tax the fuck out of the poor don't deny it. Look at liberal Oregon's income tax on the poor its damn near 10%. You greedy bastards are taking from the poor every change you get.

The bottom rate went from 10 percent to 12 percent. The top rate went down; according to right wing tax planning.

Meaningless compared to the taxes and fees you Dem's slap on the poor at the state level. That's why the poor are still poor, YOU PEOPLE.

 

[bendog]

Public and private pension funds, 401k's, have TRILLIONS of dollars invested in corporations its fact so suck it.

So, idiot, are you stating that giving corporations HUGE tax cuts will give more money to pension funds????

Are you so fucking dumb that you don;t realize the same? Have tax cuts to corporations been tried by Reagan and Bush? Why did we go into recessions AFTER these attempts?

It's simply dishonest and a disservice for the gop to label this "tax reform." It's a supply side cut when you figure in the estate tax. And it is not paid for by actual reform in eliminated tax expenditures.

Congress wrote it naturally its a screwed up mess like always. Its the GOP's version of Obamacare.

Well .... no fan of Obamacare but the money it transferred was pretty much to the folks making 50-100k

 

[danielpalos]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

/----/ Ahhh the old Class Envy card
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How is it class envy; he can afford to pay high taxes at "Saks Fifth Avenue".

 

[bendog]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

/----/ Ahhh the old Class Envy card
View attachment 160761

It's class envy to actually notice the top .1% are getting millions a year in tax cuts while deficits go up?

 

[danielpalos]

How the fuck did we go on a topic of LOWERING corporate taxes to the above idiot "concluding" that we are trying to RAISE taxes???.......LOL

Lib please do you deny that you tax and spend moochers don't want to raise taxes? Talk to the hand

The right wing doesn't want to cut spending, except for the poor.

Goddamn, liberals and Dem's tax the fuck out of the poor don't deny it. Look at liberal Oregon's income tax on the poor its damn near 10%. You greedy bastards are taking from the poor every change you get.

The bottom rate went from 10 percent to 12 percent. The top rate went down; according to right wing tax planning.

Meaningless compared to the taxes and fees you Dem's slap on the poor at the state level. That's why the poor are still poor, YOU PEOPLE.

yes, we keep paying the rich to get richer faster.

 

[BluesLegend]

The fact is high corporate taxes is stealing money from the middle class retirement savings invested in these corporations, and giving it to government to dole out to the moochers and deadbeats.

Let's tax the rich into Heaven.

Define "rich". Obama said I was rich and wanted to raise my taxes, he can go to hell.

Whoever Jesus the Christ referred to.

So, you are a clown who doesn't wish to have a serious discussion let me just make a note.

 

[MisterBeale]

Your post is unclear.

Requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron is a form of "wage slavery" in Any at-will employment State.

No, I understand that part.

Are you supportive of the lefts meddling in the free market, or are you criticizing it. You haven't made your position in that clear.

And how does that have anything to do with the state using physical violence to either confiscate your wages, or throw you in jail if you do not voluntarily surrender it over?

That is no different then what slave masters do. Slave masters used to house, cloth, feed, and give just enough medical and education to their slaves to make them productive. Now, the government leaves you with just enough money so you can do these things to remain productive for the ruling elites, and they all know this, to them there is no difference between left and right, they just want slaves to produce for the rulers, IOW, the slave masters . . . . .

THAT, is what taxation is.

Congress is delegated the Power to Tax. It has been that way since before most of us were born.

Ah yes, but originally if you knew who and what they were delegated the power to tax, it might surprise you.

Likewise, you probably didn't know that the 16th was never meant to hit the middle class, or indeed most of America.

16th Amendment: IRS has no legal authority to tax your wages or salary

The right wing wants to lower taxes, not cut spending.

. . . sigh.

I'm afraid you are right friend.



Look on the bright side. It could be worse.

We could have them wanting to raise taxes and impose a massive new government mandate on the population.


. . . oh wait. . . . . .

 

[danielpalos]

How is it that corporate "loopholes" existed during the Obama administration when the left was planning to "occupy Wall Street"? The truth of the matter is that democrat politicians have been serving up scams to their quasi socialist minions for years while they hobnob with the rich and famous and bail out dying companies like Solindra with taxpayer money to make sure big democrat donors get a golden parachute. Meanwhile candidate Hillary accepted about a quarter of a million dollars for 15 minute mystery speeches to Wall Street Bankers and the left thought it was fine. Everything democrat politicians say about taxes is a scam and liberal hypocrites should be thanking the Trump administration now that their 401k's are secure but it's all about politics and incoherent anger and disappointment about last year's election..

Why does a rich guy need lower taxes?

/----/ Ahhh the old Class Envy card
View attachment 160761

It's class envy to actually notice the top .1% are getting millions a year in tax cuts while deficits go up?

Just another form of income redistribution.

 

[Cellblock2429]

So, idiot WHY do we then need a tax break for corporations???...........LOL

/-----/ Corporations pass the cost of taxes and regulation on to the consumer you big Dope. Frankly I pay enough for stuff as it is. Maybe you want to pay more.

Nat isn't the brightest bulb, its funny watching idiots lobby to raise taxes on themselves.

Still haven't, ditched the drug war, right wingers?

/-----/ Say what???

Just clueless and Causeless right wingers? The drug war cost (tax) money.

/----/ Oh. Thanks for the explanation. I disagree with your point but understand your post.

 

[BluesLegend]

Public and private pension funds, 401k's, have TRILLIONS of dollars invested in corporations its fact so suck it.

So, idiot, are you stating that giving corporations HUGE tax cuts will give more money to pension funds????

Are you so fucking dumb that you don;t realize the same? Have tax cuts to corporations been tried by Reagan and Bush? Why did we go into recessions AFTER these attempts?

It's simply dishonest and a disservice for the gop to label this "tax reform." It's a supply side cut when you figure in the estate tax. And it is not paid for by actual reform in eliminated tax expenditures.

Congress wrote it naturally its a screwed up mess like always. Its the GOP's version of Obamacare.

Well .... no fan of Obamacare but the money it transferred was pretty much to the folks making 50-100k

Obamacare is packed full of taxes the middle class have to pay. Look, you can't punish the 'rich' they have the means to pass those taxes on down to the poor and middle class.

 

[danielpalos]

The fact is high corporate taxes is stealing money from the middle class retirement savings invested in these corporations, and giving it to government to dole out to the moochers and deadbeats.

Let's tax the rich into Heaven.

Define "rich". Obama said I was rich and wanted to raise my taxes, he can go to hell.

Whoever Jesus the Christ referred to.

So, you are a clown who doesn't wish to have a serious discussion let me just make a note.

Not a Christian?

Whoever Jesus the Christ referred to.

 

[BluesLegend]

The fact is high corporate taxes is stealing money from the middle class retirement savings invested in these corporations, and giving it to government to dole out to the moochers and deadbeats.

Let's tax the rich into Heaven.

Define "rich". Obama said I was rich and wanted to raise my taxes, he can go to hell.

Whoever Jesus the Christ referred to.

So, you are a clown who doesn't wish to have a serious discussion let me just make a note.

Not a Christian?

Whoever Jesus the Christ referred to.

 

[danielpalos]

Requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron is a form of "wage slavery" in Any at-will employment State.

No, I understand that part.

Are you supportive of the lefts meddling in the free market, or are you criticizing it. You haven't made your position in that clear.

And how does that have anything to do with the state using physical violence to either confiscate your wages, or throw you in jail if you do not voluntarily surrender it over?

That is no different then what slave masters do. Slave masters used to house, cloth, feed, and give just enough medical and education to their slaves to make them productive. Now, the government leaves you with just enough money so you can do these things to remain productive for the ruling elites, and they all know this, to them there is no difference between left and right, they just want slaves to produce for the rulers, IOW, the slave masters . . . . .

THAT, is what taxation is.

Congress is delegated the Power to Tax. It has been that way since before most of us were born.

Ah yes, but originally if you knew who and what they were delegated the power to tax, it might surprise you.

Likewise, you probably didn't know that the 16th was never meant to hit the middle class, or indeed most of America.

16th Amendment: IRS has no legal authority to tax your wages or salary

The right wing wants to lower taxes, not cut spending.

. . . sigh.

I'm afraid you are right friend.



Look on the bright side. It could be worse.

We could have them wanting to raise taxes and impose a massive new government mandate on the population.


. . . oh wait. . . . . .

Health care reform and a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is what the left is advocating.

The right wing only has, lower taxes and nothing but repeal.