Only 35% of liberal whites in California think college is necessary.

[Wyatt earp]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

 

[Wyatt earp]

Some people can't cut college
It is not easy

For them, it is not necessary

Oh I can cut in college drink beer, Chase girls, sleep in class....my specialty's

 

[rightwinger]

College is probably necessary for 35 percent of the population

The rest can get by without it

Yeah, in a free market assface. Good Lord, you pathetic people.

Oh, and btw, even in a free market without a degree you better be prepared to work your fucking ass off. Human nature says that is not typical.

Oh, and another thing. Useless fucking degrees like Arts or theater or bullshit like that are fucking worthless and trust fund fucks are the ones that get those.

Other degrees like business or finance etc are very necessary. You fuck.

Relatively few get degrees in the Arts or theater
Those that do......teach

Business is the most popular degree

 

[initforme]

California can believe what they want. College was mandatory for my kids...no hanging around, no military, no starting out at 10 bucks an hour. It has paid off big time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

You thought wrong.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

You thought wrong.

So know it's a lie?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This is very surprising, to hear liberals say it only conservatives say it is unnecessary.


Only 35 percent of whites in California think college is necessary, poll finds


Deep racial divides among Californians on whether college is necessary

Is college necessary? It turns out about half of Californians don’t think so, according to a new Public Policy Institute of California survey.

And the difference of opinions among ethnic groups is even more surprising: While two-thirds of Latinos answer yes, a slight majority of Asian- and African-Americans think so — but only 35 percent of whites agree

The same disparity holds across different income groups, too: Almost 60 percent of those from households earning less than $40,000 say college is necessary, while only 42 percent from households making at least $80,000 agree.

So what’s behind the numbers? For one, the mounting costs of a college degree and mountains of student debt are big factors behind the growing cynicism, experts say. Another reason: It’s human nature for one group (whites) to underestimate the value of something that comes easier (college access) than it does for others.

But while Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg managed to do just fine without a degree, that’s hardly a recipe for the rest of us. Not everyone has a safety net that makes dropping out of college in the hopes of becoming a tech titan a feasible option, said Audrey Dow, senior vice president of the Campaign for College Opportunity.

Students of color generally don’t have access to the same wealth and capital as their white peers, she said, and their families view college as a path forward.

White families, on the other hand, are more likely to have sent several generations to college and might not recognize that some of their success is due to higher education.

Lower income families may be “feeling like something about their own training falls short,” said Mark Baldassare, president and CEO of the Public Policy Institute of California. “Most people earning over $80,000 think there are many ways to succeed. Obviously many do have college degrees, but maybe they feel their own personal qualities or social networks account for that.”

The survey of more than 1,700 California adults between Oct. 8-17 also found significant gaps between native-born Californians and noncitizen residents on the question of whether college is necessary, with 75 percent of noncitizen California residents saying college is crucial to success and just 38 percent of native-born California residents agreeing.

This is going to give rderp convulsions.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

You thought wrong.

He didn't think wrong. You're just exercising your right to play stupid.

 

[deanrd]

This is very surprising, to hear liberals say it only conservatives say it is unnecessary.


Only 35 percent of whites in California think college is necessary, poll finds


Deep racial divides among Californians on whether college is necessary

Is college necessary? It turns out about half of Californians don’t think so, according to a new Public Policy Institute of California survey.

And the difference of opinions among ethnic groups is even more surprising: While two-thirds of Latinos answer yes, a slight majority of Asian- and African-Americans think so — but only 35 percent of whites agree

The same disparity holds across different income groups, too: Almost 60 percent of those from households earning less than $40,000 say college is necessary, while only 42 percent from households making at least $80,000 agree.

So what’s behind the numbers? For one, the mounting costs of a college degree and mountains of student debt are big factors behind the growing cynicism, experts say. Another reason: It’s human nature for one group (whites) to underestimate the value of something that comes easier (college access) than it does for others.

But while Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg managed to do just fine without a degree, that’s hardly a recipe for the rest of us. Not everyone has a safety net that makes dropping out of college in the hopes of becoming a tech titan a feasible option, said Audrey Dow, senior vice president of the Campaign for College Opportunity.

Students of color generally don’t have access to the same wealth and capital as their white peers, she said, and their families view college as a path forward.

White families, on the other hand, are more likely to have sent several generations to college and might not recognize that some of their success is due to higher education.

Lower income families may be “feeling like something about their own training falls short,” said Mark Baldassare, president and CEO of the Public Policy Institute of California. “Most people earning over $80,000 think there are many ways to succeed. Obviously many do have college degrees, but maybe they feel their own personal qualities or social networks account for that.”

The survey of more than 1,700 California adults between Oct. 8-17 also found significant gaps between native-born Californians and noncitizen residents on the question of whether college is necessary, with 75 percent of noncitizen California residents saying college is crucial to success and just 38 percent of native-born California residents agreeing.

Take another look at your article and compare unaffordable to what so called conservative really think.

A lot of Republicans live in California and they not only think college is affordable, they think it's actually bad for America.

Majority of Republicans say colleges have negative impact on country, poll says

Most Republicans Say Colleges Hurt America

Poll: Most Republicans say colleges have negative impact on US

Republicans want a merit based system:

Trump backs slashing legal immigration with 'merit-based' system

That means Republicans wouldn't want Republicans to come into the country. Not enough education.

You can be a plumber, a carpenter, a technician and so on. You don't need college to be successful, but people with STEM degrees tend to make more.

Science And Math Majors Earn The Most Money After Graduation

 

[deanrd]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

You thought wrong.

He didn't think wrong. You're just exercising your right to play stupid.

Anyone who thinks automated jobs are ever coming back is obviously a tard.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Only 35% of liberal whites in California think college is necessary.

why would you really need to attend

if you plan to live off the government tit all your life

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

You thought wrong.

He didn't think wrong. You're just exercising your right to play stupid.

Anyone who thinks automated jobs are ever coming back is obviously a tard.

Thank you for cementing my point, dumbass.

 

[deanrd]

Only 35% of liberal whites in California think college is necessary.

why would you really need to attend

if you plan to live off the government tit all your life

Exactly. So clearly, liberals in California aren't living off the government.

But

Go to Appalachia, which covers 13 Red States and it's another story.

Two agencies that Trump wants to dump help the rural poor

Trump plan cuts funds for Appalachian agency that helps Eastern Kentucky

Trump's Proposal to Scrap the Agency Devoted to Developing Appalachia

Republicans are about to get oh so fuked by their own party. They put Trump and the Republicans into office. And now they have to pay the price.

 

[deanrd]

If we hadn't let the corporations and the other money interests send millions of our jobs overseas for the sake of dirt cheap wages,

we wouldn't need so many people with college educations.

I thought the new left wing talking point was "automation and jobs not coming back"

You thought wrong.

He didn't think wrong. You're just exercising your right to play stupid.

Anyone who thinks automated jobs are ever coming back is obviously a tard.

Thank you for cementing my point, dumbass.

Which means Republicans are going to be unemployed for a very long time.

 

[charwin95]

This is very surprising, to hear liberals say it only conservatives say it is unnecessary.


Only 35 percent of whites in California think college is necessary, poll finds


Deep racial divides among Californians on whether college is necessary

Is college necessary? It turns out about half of Californians don’t think so, according to a new Public Policy Institute of California survey.

And the difference of opinions among ethnic groups is even more surprising: While two-thirds of Latinos answer yes, a slight majority of Asian- and African-Americans think so — but only 35 percent of whites agree

The same disparity holds across different income groups, too: Almost 60 percent of those from households earning less than $40,000 say college is necessary, while only 42 percent from households making at least $80,000 agree.

So what’s behind the numbers? For one, the mounting costs of a college degree and mountains of student debt are big factors behind the growing cynicism, experts say. Another reason: It’s human nature for one group (whites) to underestimate the value of something that comes easier (college access) than it does for others.

http://bayareane.ws/PMreport
But while Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg managed to do just fine without a degree, that’s hardly a recipe for the rest of us. Not everyone has a safety net that makes dropping out of college in the hopes of becoming a tech titan a feasible option, said Audrey Dow, senior vice president of the Campaign for College Opportunity.

Students of color generally don’t have access to the same wealth and capital as their white peers, she said, and their families view college as a path forward.

White families, on the other hand, are more likely to have sent several generations to college and might not recognize that some of their success is due to higher education.

Lower income families may be “feeling like something about their own training falls short,” said Mark Baldassare, president and CEO of the Public Policy Institute of California. “Most people earning over $80,000 think there are many ways to succeed. Obviously many do have college degrees, but maybe they feel their own personal qualities or social networks account for that.”

The survey of more than 1,700 California adults between Oct. 8-17 also found significant gaps between native-born Californians and noncitizen residents on the question of whether college is necessary, with 75 percent of noncitizen California residents saying college is crucial to success and just 38 percent of native-born California residents agreeing.

The research is accurate but it’s misleading. Yes there are lots of good paying jobs $80 to $120k without a college degree but most of those are old timers with experience like machinists, fire fighters, buyers, warehouse manager, Customer Service manager, construction supervisors or managers etc etc etc.
But college is very important now a days without it its very hard to get in unless you know someone I mean someone. College education is a must and very important but then it depends what they are taking.

My warehouse manager is 60 yo doesn’t have a college degree been with us for 24 years making about the same as you but became an expert of our products. Sadly most of his workers have college degrees like art & sciences, drama, archaeologist, music, bs psychology. Just about the same of the accounting clerks.

I am an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) of medical instruments with complete operations from R & D to manufacturing to finish goods to sales to service.

The 1,700 surveyed was very small sample to represent the whole California. Business and people here from different categories are very diverse and complex.

I no longer run day to day operations but my eldest son is. I retired when I was 55 but I travel for him so he can stay with his family. I traveled all over US but only to visit existing customers or any complaints where I take them to dinner or some entertainment.

Your link mentioned about San Jose State University. I know couple of PHD professors that are currently teaching there. Both of their wives work in Palo Alto as Customer Service coordinator , no college degrees making around $85k but been there for as long as I remember. One of the sister work for porno mogul as special secretary (for accounting $ only) making over $90k.
So if these people are surveyed then they tell you. Who need college degrees?



I don’t know how to link a thread to another thread but there was a topic called ....... Question for those that support sanctuary cries/states

Almost full disclosure ( close to the end) of my experience here in California about labor and work force.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Only 35% of liberal whites in California think college is necessary.

why would you really need to attend

if you plan to live off the government tit all your life

Exactly. So clearly, liberals in California aren't living off the government.

But

Go to Appalachia, which covers 13 Red States and it's another story.

Two agencies that Trump wants to dump help the rural poor

Trump plan cuts funds for Appalachian agency that helps Eastern Kentucky

Trump's Proposal to Scrap the Agency Devoted to Developing Appalachia

Republicans are about to get oh so fuked by their own party. They put Trump and the Republicans into office. And now they have to pay the price.

is california the welfare capital

--LOL

you betcha it is

you lying scumbag dean

California outspends every other state on public welfare spending.

California’s Welfare Benefits: Boom or Bust?

 

[Issa]

Necessary... for what?

35% of Californians think they will literally die without their gender degree diploma.

I bet their gender studies teachers told them that, and they were stupid enough to believe it all. Not surprising considering they were dumb enough to enroll into gender studies. They graduate even dumber than that indeed.

Well, anti-Trumpers have to come from somewhere.

How is Trump university doing?

 

[deanrd]

This is very surprising, to hear liberals say it only conservatives say it is unnecessary.


Only 35 percent of whites in California think college is necessary, poll finds


Deep racial divides among Californians on whether college is necessary

Is college necessary? It turns out about half of Californians don’t think so, according to a new Public Policy Institute of California survey.

And the difference of opinions among ethnic groups is even more surprising: While two-thirds of Latinos answer yes, a slight majority of Asian- and African-Americans think so — but only 35 percent of whites agree

The same disparity holds across different income groups, too: Almost 60 percent of those from households earning less than $40,000 say college is necessary, while only 42 percent from households making at least $80,000 agree.

So what’s behind the numbers? For one, the mounting costs of a college degree and mountains of student debt are big factors behind the growing cynicism, experts say. Another reason: It’s human nature for one group (whites) to underestimate the value of something that comes easier (college access) than it does for others.

But while Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg managed to do just fine without a degree, that’s hardly a recipe for the rest of us. Not everyone has a safety net that makes dropping out of college in the hopes of becoming a tech titan a feasible option, said Audrey Dow, senior vice president of the Campaign for College Opportunity.

Students of color generally don’t have access to the same wealth and capital as their white peers, she said, and their families view college as a path forward.

White families, on the other hand, are more likely to have sent several generations to college and might not recognize that some of their success is due to higher education.

Lower income families may be “feeling like something about their own training falls short,” said Mark Baldassare, president and CEO of the Public Policy Institute of California. “Most people earning over $80,000 think there are many ways to succeed. Obviously many do have college degrees, but maybe they feel their own personal qualities or social networks account for that.”

The survey of more than 1,700 California adults between Oct. 8-17 also found significant gaps between native-born Californians and noncitizen residents on the question of whether college is necessary, with 75 percent of noncitizen California residents saying college is crucial to success and just 38 percent of native-born California residents agreeing.

The research is accurate but it’s misleading. Yes there are lots of good paying jobs $80 to $120k without a college degree but most of those are old timers with experience like machinists, fire fighters, buyers, warehouse manager, Customer Service manager, construction supervisors or managers etc etc etc.
But college is very important now a days without it its very hard to get in unless you know someone I mean someone. College education is a must and very important but then it depends what they are taking.

My warehouse manager is 60 yo doesn’t have a college degree been with us for 24 years making about the same as you but became an expert of our products. Sadly most of his workers have college degrees like art & sciences, drama, archaeologist, music, bs psychology. Just about the same of the accounting clerks.

I am an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) of medical instruments with complete operations from R & D to manufacturing to finish goods to sales to service.

The 1,700 surveyed was very small sample to represent the whole California. Business and people here from different categories are very diverse and complex.

I no longer run day to day operations but my eldest son is. I retired when I was 55 but I travel for him so he can stay with his family. I traveled all over US but only to visit existing customers or any complaints where I take them to dinner or some entertainment.

Your link mentioned about San Jose State University. I know couple of PHD professors that are currently teaching there. Both of their wives work in Palo Alto as Customer Service coordinator , no college degrees making around $85k but been there for as long as I remember. One of the sister work for porno mogul as special secretary (for accounting $ only) making over $90k.
So if these people are surveyed then they tell you. Who need college degrees?



I don’t know how to link a thread to another thread but there was a topic called ....... Question for those that support sanctuary cries/states

Almost full disclosure ( close to the end) of my experience here in California about labor and work force.

Republicans on the USMB constantly accuse Liberals of insisting you have to have a degree to have a good salary. I don't know anyone who says that.

And they insist most people in college get drunk, are only there for partying and pu$$y and the degrees they get are in subjects like lesbian square dance.

I don't know why they misrepresent Democrats and Liberals except it's their way of coping with the fact the best schools are in Blue States, the best jobs and the most hi tech and innovative companies are in Blue States.

Even Trump worked out of New York.

The reality is Red States are dependent on Blue States. Appalachia covers 13 Red States and is the largest of the poorest and most uneducated area of the US. And they rely on government handouts.

That's just the reality. The way it is.

Appalachia: The big white ghetto

If the people here weren't 98.5 percent white, we'd call it a reservation.

 

[Issa]

This is very surprising, to hear liberals say it only conservatives say it is unnecessary.

You do realize that not all Californians are liberals, right?

Okay, so let's look at that. I think the problem is, we've made college necessary because HS doesn't really prepare people to work.

In my previous line of work, which was purchasing until I started my own business, you didn't need a college degree to get a job in that field 25 years ago. Just strong math skills and good negotiating skills. That was it. So I worked with a lot of buyers who didn't have a college degree.

Today, you can't get into entry level purchasing jobs without one. I knew a lady who had 25 years of purchasing experience, but because she lacked a college degree, it took her two years to find a job in the last recession.

And it's getting worse. Now, they don't just want any bachelor's degree, they want one specifically related to Business Administration.

The state is very Red in the far north and out in the farm/ranch areas..


the BA is almost equivalent to what a highschool degree was when I graduated high school many years ago.

My eldest is smart on the computer, but his chances of landing a good paying job were slim unless if he had a computer science BA

There really is not any reason not to get a BA because of the Junior colleges being affordable .

.

I agree, college has become a big money making scheme, whether it's the big universities or on-line scams like the University of Phoenix.

Pictured: University of Phoenix graduation ceremony.

Scam? The president had one great university too.

 

[Wyatt earp]

This is very surprising, to hear liberals say it only conservatives say it is unnecessary.

You do realize that not all Californians are liberals, right?

Okay, so let's look at that. I think the problem is, we've made college necessary because HS doesn't really prepare people to work.

In my previous line of work, which was purchasing until I started my own business, you didn't need a college degree to get a job in that field 25 years ago. Just strong math skills and good negotiating skills. That was it. So I worked with a lot of buyers who didn't have a college degree.

Today, you can't get into entry level purchasing jobs without one. I knew a lady who had 25 years of purchasing experience, but because she lacked a college degree, it took her two years to find a job in the last recession.

And it's getting worse. Now, they don't just want any bachelor's degree, they want one specifically related to Business Administration.

The state is very Red in the far north and out in the farm/ranch areas..


the BA is almost equivalent to what a highschool degree was when I graduated high school many years ago.

My eldest is smart on the computer, but his chances of landing a good paying job were slim unless if he had a computer science BA

There really is not any reason not to get a BA because of the Junior colleges being affordable .

.

I agree, college has become a big money making scheme, whether it's the big universities or on-line scams like the University of Phoenix.

Pictured: University of Phoenix graduation ceremony.

Scam? The president had had one great university too.

What does that even mean , pretend 3rd world country born , living in Beverly hills?