"Our Duty as American Muslims"

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Wow, good for him. Brave guy, I hope someone pays attention.

This has to be part of the overall solution.

Our Duty as American Muslims

There is a war going on that extends beyond Syria, and American Muslims are under siege. Not by a fringe group of bigoted Americans, but by a fringe group of Muslims abroad who seek to tear our Western communities apart. They are trying to target the disaffected among us, hijack the mosque pulpit, and convince us that weā€™re unwelcome in our own country.

But in order to lead this fight with unified support, certain things will have to change. We canā€™t call out prejudice against our faith without also calling out the gender inequality and homophobia that we find in some of our communities. We canā€™t be champions of our own religious freedom without also championing the rights of all traditions across the globe that wish to peacefully practice, including other Muslim sects we may disagree with doctrinally. We have to change the way we think about Islamic law and vilify the medieval judicial practices that persist in the Middle East. And we must have uncomfortable but necessary conversations about where much of the funding for this cancerous supremacist ideology is coming fromā€”Saudi Arabia.
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They can do whatever the fuck they want if they obey the law. This whole "theyre responsible to speak out" shit is ignorant of treating humans as INDIVIDUALS.
 
Wow, good for him. Brave guy, I hope someone pays attention.

This has to be part of the overall solution.

Our Duty as American Muslims

There is a war going on that extends beyond Syria, and American Muslims are under siege. Not by a fringe group of bigoted Americans, but by a fringe group of Muslims abroad who seek to tear our Western communities apart. They are trying to target the disaffected among us, hijack the mosque pulpit, and convince us that weā€™re unwelcome in our own country.

But in order to lead this fight with unified support, certain things will have to change. We canā€™t call out prejudice against our faith without also calling out the gender inequality and homophobia that we find in some of our communities. We canā€™t be champions of our own religious freedom without also championing the rights of all traditions across the globe that wish to peacefully practice, including other Muslim sects we may disagree with doctrinally. We have to change the way we think about Islamic law and vilify the medieval judicial practices that persist in the Middle East. And we must have uncomfortable but necessary conversations about where much of the funding for this cancerous supremacist ideology is coming fromā€”Saudi Arabia.
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Evidence for your post includes...

1. "Islamic State group supporters posted messages online in recent days condemning American Muslims for participating in Pope Francisā€™ interfaith outreach while visiting the U.S. and accused them of apologizing for the 9/11 attacks.

The SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks jihadist groups, reported Saturday that several Islamic State group supporters active on social media blasted people whom they described as ā€œcoconuts,ā€ a derogatory jihadist term for moderate Muslims."
Islamic State Supporters Slam ā€˜Coconutā€™ Muslims in U.S. Who Joined Pope Francis for Interfaith Outreach

2. "CONSERVATIVE Party Chairman Baroness Sayeeda Warsi may be the first Muslim woman to hold a full Cabinet Post, but Muslim fundamentalists see her as an apostate who is hardly representative of the Muslim community.
She has also been warned of physical harm if she visits any Muslim infested area. Last year she was pelted with eggs by Islamic protesters when she visited Luton, Bedfordshire."
The Freethinker - The voice of atheism since 1881 Ā» ā€˜Coconutā€™ Muslim warned sheā€™ll be attacked if she enters Islamic enclaves in the UK

3. "The word Coconut basically means a moderate Muslim. I don't think it's been around for a long time, it's mainly used on social media sites. I've only seen it being used on twitter, it's used by strict Muslims and extremists." Ramadan: Muslims, In Islam, what does the term 'coconut' mean and how long has this term been used by Muslims?
 
It would be nice if the PC Police would agree with stuff like this. It shouldn't be that tough.

Unfortunately, they refuse to hold PC-protected groups accountable for their actions.

They've been doing this to American Blacks for generations, badly hampering their growth.
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It would be nice if the PC Police would agree with stuff like this. It shouldn't be that tough.

Unfortunately, they refuse to hold PC-protected groups accountable for their actions.

They've been doing this to American Blacks for generations, badly hampering their growth.
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Yeah, so terrible that the "PC Police" refuse to condemn an entire religion over the actions of a few extremists. What assholes!
 
Then again, why won't people such as Seawytch condemn mass murderers instead of the guns they use? I mean, you couldn't bring yourself to condemn those terrorists in California, but had all the strength to tout gun control

Why can't you condemn any act of wrongdoing without injecting some sort of political bias into it?
 
Wow, good for him. Brave guy, I hope someone pays attention.

This has to be part of the overall solution.

Our Duty as American Muslims

There is a war going on that extends beyond Syria, and American Muslims are under siege. Not by a fringe group of bigoted Americans, but by a fringe group of Muslims abroad who seek to tear our Western communities apart. They are trying to target the disaffected among us, hijack the mosque pulpit, and convince us that weā€™re unwelcome in our own country.

But in order to lead this fight with unified support, certain things will have to change. We canā€™t call out prejudice against our faith without also calling out the gender inequality and homophobia that we find in some of our communities. We canā€™t be champions of our own religious freedom without also championing the rights of all traditions across the globe that wish to peacefully practice, including other Muslim sects we may disagree with doctrinally. We have to change the way we think about Islamic law and vilify the medieval judicial practices that persist in the Middle East. And we must have uncomfortable but necessary conversations about where much of the funding for this cancerous supremacist ideology is coming fromā€”Saudi Arabia.
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I wish him luck.

Islam needs a Martin Luther, a reformation to moderate the religion. The writer seems to have a grasp of this. But he is a tiny minority.
 
It is hard to imagine more disparate groups than Southern White boys...and Islam.

But one analogy can be drawn.

Very few of the of the 1950's and early 1960's Southerners were in the infamous Ku Klux Klan; and few approved of it...but they didn't openly condemn it...not at first.

So, the rest of the Nation grouped all Southerners in with the Klan, and derided them all together....until the Good Southerners, realized that it fell to their duty first...to eradicate the evil that had got its start and even flourished in their own Culture. And in just a few years, through ridicule and condemnation....the Klan died out.

There is no hope in the foreseeable future for Muslims in Arabia and Persia..no hope for decades or centuries...no hope of them joining the 21st century....but Muslim-Americans have what the Southerners had...America...the shining city on the hill.

This Item in the O. P. is most welcome. Sane Good Muslim-Americans have started to recognized their Duty to help actively in the eradication of that Evil which their Culture has produced.

America has allowed a fair sampling of Islam to come here.....let us see how they perform as Americans.

And, when they take the lead in eradicating the cancer that is upon their own Culture...I am sure President Trump will be glad to let more come and enjoy the fruits of Jeffersonian Ideals.
 
It would be nice if the PC Police would agree with stuff like this. It shouldn't be that tough.

Unfortunately, they refuse to hold PC-protected groups accountable for their actions.

They've been doing this to American Blacks for generations, badly hampering their growth.
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Yeah, so terrible that the "PC Police" refuse to condemn an entire religion over the actions of a few extremists. What assholes!
Not even Trump himself is saying that all Muslims are terrorists. Not even close.

This lie is a perfect parallel to shouting "you're racist" to avoid honest conversation.

Deflection noted.
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Wow, good for him. Brave guy, I hope someone pays attention.

This has to be part of the overall solution.

Our Duty as American Muslims

There is a war going on that extends beyond Syria, and American Muslims are under siege. Not by a fringe group of bigoted Americans, but by a fringe group of Muslims abroad who seek to tear our Western communities apart. They are trying to target the disaffected among us, hijack the mosque pulpit, and convince us that weā€™re unwelcome in our own country.

But in order to lead this fight with unified support, certain things will have to change. We canā€™t call out prejudice against our faith without also calling out the gender inequality and homophobia that we find in some of our communities. We canā€™t be champions of our own religious freedom without also championing the rights of all traditions across the globe that wish to peacefully practice, including other Muslim sects we may disagree with doctrinally. We have to change the way we think about Islamic law and vilify the medieval judicial practices that persist in the Middle East. And we must have uncomfortable but necessary conversations about where much of the funding for this cancerous supremacist ideology is coming fromā€”Saudi Arabia.
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How incredibly PC of him.
 
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They've been doing this to American Blacks for generations, badly hampering their growth.
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This comment was hilariously racist and the elderly wouldnt even understand why. Also, not holding certain groups accountable for their actions? Wtf, show me one person who doesnt condemn isis, al quada, etc. On here. Fucking idiot - tjat was another bigot comment by you because by "hold a group accountable for its actions" you meant "blame the whole religion," in true retarded mac fashion. Coward.
 
Islam needs a Martin Luther, a reformation to moderate the religion. The writer seems to have a grasp of this. But he is a tiny minority.
Precisely.

This situation can not and will not improve unless and until there is serious introspection and change within the religion itself.

Unfortunately, there are many here who are slowing that process by essentially running interference for jihadism.
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Then again, why won't people such as Seawytch condemn mass murderers instead of the guns they use? I mean, you couldn't bring yourself to condemn those terrorists in California, but had all the strength to tout gun control

Why can't you condemn any act of wrongdoing without injecting some sort of political bias into it?



"....why won't people such as Seawytch condemn mass murderers instead of the guns..."

A particular blindness that Liberals have to recognizing evil. MCGurn discussed guns an Liberals last week in the WSJ.....

" Put simply, todayā€™s liberalism cannot deal with the reality of evil. So liberals inveigh against the instruments the evil use rather than the evil that motivates them." The Liberal Theology of Gun Control
 
Islam needs a Martin Luther, a reformation to moderate the religion. The writer seems to have a grasp of this. But he is a tiny minority.
Precisely.

This situation can not and will not improve unless and until there is serious introspection and change within the religion itself.

Unfortunately, there are many here who are slowing that process by essentially running interference for jihadism.
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Why don't one of you become islam's Martin Luther?
 
Islam needs a Martin Luther, a reformation to moderate the religion. The writer seems to have a grasp of this. But he is a tiny minority.
Precisely.

This situation can not and will not improve unless and until there is serious introspection and change within the religion itself.

Unfortunately, there are many here who are slowing that process by essentially running interference for jihadism.
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Why don't one of you become islam's Martin Luther?
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