Parents Of Michigan High School Shooting Suspect Charged With Four Counts Of Involuntary Manslaughter

[2aguy]

There’s been a lot of talk about illegal versus legal gun storage according to Michigan law.


“You may be criminally and civilly liable for any harm caused by a person less than 18 years of age who lawfully gains unsupervised access to your firearm if unlawfully stored. As such, a trigger lock, gun case or other device designed to prevent unauthorized access to a firearm is strongly recommended.”

“The improper storage of a firearm at home could result in the arming of a criminal breaking into the home or the injury or death of a child who discovers the firearm and plays with it.”

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/msp-203_-_PDF_286476_7.pdf

The Supreme Court already ruled trigger locks unconstitutional....and likely that would also apply to mandatory storage laws..

What is "improper," storage?

The anti-gunners will take a mile if you give them an inch......

If it is in your home, it is properly stored......if someone breaks in and takes the gun, that is a criminal act, and nothing to do with the gun owner....

This case...we will see......

How do we know how the gun was stored......no one knows yet but they are all ASSuming they do...

 

[braalian]

A picture.......

How do you know they ignored it?

Please...explain...how do you know they ignored it......

They were told that day, that there was this picture......and given 48 hours....how do you know what they did or didn't do, or what they were thinking about as they left that office.....how soon could you get help to your kid in that situation?

Please.........they were called in to one meeting that we know of, the day the shooting happened.....hours before the shooting happened...get off of your high horse, engage your brain....

The school knew about the picture and the writing, and did not think he was an immediate and deadly threat...which is why they didn't order him off of the campus...........

So try again....think first...

They called the mother the day before about the son looking up ammo online. Which normally I’d agree is harmless but clearly the school was watching this boy closely because he was sending up red flags. They wouldn’t have called her without good reason.

And, how many times does it have to be explained that the school *did* think there was immediate danger. In addition to telling them they had had 48 hours to seek psychiatric help for him, they flat out told the parents to take him home. To get him off the premises. The parents inexplicably refused to do so and went home.

At that point the school had limited options. They should have called the police or protective services. Whichever staff member(s) allowed this kid to re-enter the general student population once the parents left are culpable as well.

The parents are responsible for not taking the kid home as well as for not sharing with the school the fact that he had access to a gun.

The school is responsible for not taking further action once the parents left and allowing him to return to class.

The school’s failures do not absolve the parents for their failures.

Clear?

 

[2aguy]

That's #2 of three. All three must exist for a charge of manslaughter.

At this point, no one actually knows how the gun was stored....a lot of ASSuming going on...

What will they do if they find out it was in a safe, and the kid found out the code or broke into it........?

 

[2aguy]

They called the mother the day before about the son looking up am,o online. Which normally I’d agree is harmless but clearly the school was watching this boy closely because he was sending up red flags. They wouldn’t have called her without good reason.

And, how many times does it have to be explained that the school *did* think there was immediate danger. I’m addition to telling the, they had had 48 hours to seek psychiatric help for him, they flat out told the parents to take him home. The parents inexplicably refused to do so and went home.

At that point the school had limited options. They should have called the police or protective services. Whichever staff member(s) allowed this kid to re-enter the general student population once the parents left are culpable as well.

The parents are responsible for not taking the kid home as well as for not sharing with the school the fact that he had access to a gun.

The school is responsible for not taking further action once the parents left and allowing him to return to class.

Clear?

Yeah......did they call the police and order the kid removed by the parents?

Please...be real....if they considered him an immediate and deadly threat, the police would have been involved...

Stop ASSuming......

You don't know what the parents did or did not do........but thanks for playing.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Even in a case where the parents are clearly at fault, we STILL have people tripping over themselves to defend them.

Unbelievable.

 

[john doe 101]

I’m guessing you are not a professional shrink

If you were and if you can convince a judge that someone is a danger to society that person needs to be in a hospital

But all you really want is to gut the 2nd amendment

There are millions of people in this country that are mentally ill, a danger to society, and not in a hospital.

And you're right, I'm not a shrink. That is why some more rigorous mental standards need to be established for gun owners.

LOL at my only objective is to gut the 2nd amendment. You seemingly need to keep America violent in order to justify everyone having a gun.

Also I'll guarantee you there are lots of gun owners out there that are against a rigorous mental health background check because they know they wouldnt pass. Maybe you're one of them.

 

[2aguy]

Even in a case where the parents are clearly at fault, we STILL have people tripping over themselves to defend them.

Unbelievable.

How do you know they are clearly at fault...you dumb ass?

How do you know how they stored the gun?

How do you know the kid didn't break into that storage device?

You are an idiot........the Rittenhouse Trial exposed anti-gun fascists for everyone to see....

We need a lot more information before knowing what happened.

Hey, shithead...

How about the black teenager who shot 3 people at his school......was bailed out, in one day, and was given a party by his parent/parents......were they arrested?

You moron...

 

[braalian]

Yeah......did they call the police and order the kid removed by the parents?

They *did* order the parents to remove the kid. How could they have forced them to do so when the parents refused and simply got up and left?

I don’t know why they didn’t call the police at that point, as I’ve said repeatedly.

 

[2aguy]

There are millions of people in this country that are mentally ill, a danger to society, and not in a hospital.

And you're right, I'm not a shrink. That is why some more rigorous mental standards need to be established for gun owners.

LOL at my only objective is to gut the 2nd amendment. You seemingly need to keep America violent in order to justify everyone having a gun.

Also I'll guarantee you there are lots of gun owners out there that are against a rigorous mental health background check because they know they wouldnt pass. Maybe you're one of them.

No....we are against left wing attempts to gut the second amendment using mental health as a weapon.....you dumb ass.

Again...

Is a veteran with insomnia mentally ill?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

There are millions of people in this country that are mentally ill, a danger to society, and not in a hospital.

And you're right, I'm not a shrink. That is why some more rigorous mental standards need to be established for gun owners.

LOL at my only objective is to gut the 2nd amendment. You seemingly need to keep America violent in order to justify everyone having a gun.

Also I'll guarantee you there are lots of gun owners out there that are against a rigorous mental health background check because they know they wouldnt pass. Maybe you're one of them.

No one but the chosen few liberals would pass if left up to liberal shrinks.

 

[2aguy]

They *did* order the parents to remove the kid. How could they have forced them to do so when the parents refused and simply got up and left?

I don’t know why they didn’t call the police at that point, as I’ve said repeatedly.

Easy...you call the police........then the police tell the parents to take the kid home.

There may have been a police liasion officer on campus too....do you know?

 

[BWK]

Suspect's parents charged with 4 counts of homicide involuntary manslaughter

The parents of the Michigan school shooting suspect have been charged with four counts each of homicide involuntary manslaughter. Follow here for the latest.

www.cnn.com

It looks like the school terrorist's parents in Michigan will be called to account, as well they should be. A 15 year old has no business with a firearm, regardless of the circumstances, nada. Bigly

Throw away the key with these scum of the earth assholes.

 

[2aguy]

Throw away the key with these scum of the earth assholes.

And the parent/parents of the black teenager who shot 3 people at his school....was given bail, released in one day.......and his parent/parents gave him a party?

Throw away the key on them too?

 

[XponentialChaos]

How do you know they are clearly at fault...you dumb ass?

How do you know how they stored the gun?

How do you know the kid didn't break into that storage device?

You're such a fucking dumbass.

"When the news of the active shooter at Oxford High School had been made public, Jennifer Crumbley texted to her son at 1:22 PM, “Ethan, don’t do it.” At 1:37 PM, James Crumbley called 911, reporting that a gun was missing from his house and he believed his son may be the shooter. Further investigation revealed that the Sig Sauer 9mm handgun purchased by James Crumbley was stored unlocked in a drawer in James and Jennifer’s bedroom. The gun recovered from the shooter at the school after the shooting was the same gun that was purchased by his father, James Crumbley on November 26th, 2021 in the presence of his son. Based upon the foregoing, the Oakland County prosecutor’s office requested and received… Authorized we charge four counts of involuntary manslaughter as to James Crumbley and four counts of involuntary manslaughter as to Jennifer Crumbley."

Prosecutors File Charges Against Oxford High School Shooting Suspect's Parents: Press Conference Transcript | Rev Blog

Michigan prosecutors are pressing charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter suspect. Read the transcript of the December 3 press conference announcement here.

www.rev.com

Anything else you fucking moron?

You dumb ass. You idiot. You shit head.

 

[2aguy]

You're such a fucking dumbass.

"When the news of the active shooter at Oxford High School had been made public, Jennifer Crumbley texted to her son at 1:22 PM, “Ethan, don’t do it.” At 1:37 PM, James Crumbley called 911, reporting that a gun was missing from his house and he believed his son may be the shooter. Further investigation revealed that the Sig Sauer 9mm handgun purchased by James Crumbley was stored unlocked in a drawer in James and Jennifer’s bedroom. The gun recovered from the shooter at the school after the shooting was the same gun that was purchased by his father, James Crumbley on November 26th, 2021 in the presence of his son. Based upon the foregoing, the Oakland County prosecutor’s office requested and received… Authorized we charge four counts of involuntary manslaughter as to James Crumbley and four counts of involuntary manslaughter as to Jennifer Crumbley."

Prosecutors File Charges Against Oxford High School Shooting Suspect's Parents: Press Conference Transcript | Rev Blog

Michigan prosecutors are pressing charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter suspect. Read the transcript of the December 3 press conference announcement here.

www.rev.com

Anything else you fucking moron?

You dumbass.

And? Did they hand the kid the gun and tell him to go play with it?

Did they know at the time that he had problems?

You don't know shit about this......you are an ASS, asssuming way too much...

 

[john doe 101]

No one but the chosen few liberals would pass if left up to liberal shrinks.

You'll seemingly always come up with something. How would a shrink know where you are on the political spectrum? Are you suggesting most mentally ill people are conservatives? Also, are you suggesting only liberals are smart enough to become shrinks? Either way, you just admitted your kind is either stupid or mentally ill or a combination of the two.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You're such a fucking dumbass.

"When the news of the active shooter at Oxford High School had been made public, Jennifer Crumbley texted to her son at 1:22 PM, “Ethan, don’t do it.” At 1:37 PM, James Crumbley called 911, reporting that a gun was missing from his house and he believed his son may be the shooter. Further investigation revealed that the Sig Sauer 9mm handgun purchased by James Crumbley was stored unlocked in a drawer in James and Jennifer’s bedroom. The gun recovered from the shooter at the school after the shooting was the same gun that was purchased by his father, James Crumbley on November 26th, 2021 in the presence of his son. Based upon the foregoing, the Oakland County prosecutor’s office requested and received… Authorized we charge four counts of involuntary manslaughter as to James Crumbley and four counts of involuntary manslaughter as to Jennifer Crumbley."

Prosecutors File Charges Against Oxford High School Shooting Suspect's Parents: Press Conference Transcript | Rev Blog

Michigan prosecutors are pressing charges against the parents of the Oxford High School shooter suspect. Read the transcript of the December 3 press conference announcement here.

www.rev.com

Anything else you fucking moron?

You dumb ass.

You idiot.

You shit head.

Tere is no storage law in that State. Any competent lawyer will get that thrown out.

 

[2aguy]

You'll seemingly always come up with something. How would a shrink know where you are on the political spectrum? Are you suggesting most mentally ill people are conservatives? Also, are you suggesting only liberals are smart enough to become shrinks? Either way, you just admitted your kind is either stupid or mentally ill or a combination of the two.

No...shithead......the American Psychiatric Association wants to normalize pedophilia, and is a left wing group now.....that means, you dumb ass...much of their profession is left wing, making them prone to anti-gun beliefs.......

Are veterans who have insomnia mentally ill?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You'll seemingly always come up with something. How would a shrink know where you are on the political spectrum? Are you suggesting most mentally ill people are conservatives? Also, are you suggesting only liberals are smart enough to become shrinks? Either way, you just admitted your kind is either stupid or mentally ill or a combination of the two.

LOL ya a shrink wouldnt know the politics of their patients you prove just how retarded you are every post.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They *did* order the parents to remove the kid. How could they have forced them to do so when the parents refused and simply got up and left?
I don’t know why they didn’t call the police at that point, as I’ve said repeatedly.

Right. That should have very definitely happened.