Pelosi To GOP: A Democratic President Could Declare National Emergency On Guns

[Sactowndog]

Dems Look To Declare National Emergency Over Climate Change, Not A ‘Fake Crisis’

Well, that would certainly make more sense than Trump's phony crisis at the border.

No, because the crisis at the border is real.....not made up.

Ray, they think they park and play at the border. They’re too stupid to know they infiltrated our country up to Canada

“They” infiltrated our country. Just curious when did your ancestors get here?

 

[Sactowndog]

Nope just people who make statements like you. I happen to disagree with communists but don’t make the statements you make. I’m not calling your employer, go ahead and own it.

Well if you spend some time here and read my past posts, you'll find I'm far from a police officer. I'm a truck driver and part-time landlord. How are you against Communists when your party stands for just about the same things? Why do you suppose the US Communist party endorsed your last three presidential candidates and strongly supported Bernie Sanders?

My Party? I’m not registered Democrat. You know the comment about assuming....

I've never seen you before, so all I can go by is what I read. If it walks like a duck.....quacks like a duck......

Then apparently Republican Senators like Collins and Thillis must be Democrat’s also because my points are the same as theirs.

Perhaps you should get your news from something other than Hannity talk radio.

Ever hear the term RINO?

Sure, Racists In Northern Ohio? Did you work in a GM plant prior to driving a truck?

 

[Aponi]

Trump the reckless, irresponsible tinpot dictator.

The last two years wasn't an emergency it just happened overnight..

You wouldnt know a emergency if it happened in your pants

 

[Sactowndog]

I've never seen you before, so all I can go by is what I read. If it walks like a duck.....quacks like a duck......

Then apparently Republican Senators like Collins and Thillis must be Democrat’s also because my points are the same as theirs.

Perhaps you should get your news from something other than Hannity talk radio.

Lord. Who cares what Pubs think? How are they ANY different than Dems? They aren't you dumbass, there are NOT two party's. Lord you are an idiot.

The two party illusion is one of DC's most potent weapons. Anyone watching what just happened observed McConnell work with the Dems to sink the wall negotiations and pretend they just couldn't do any more.
It's a crock. They are all on the Cartel payroll.

Jo

While I'm no McConnell fan, what did he have to do with it? The only way to ovrrule by a simple majority was to change the rules, and that could haunt us down the road if leadership changes hands.

Rule number 1.)

Never assume that Lefty will play by the rules.

Rule number 2.)

If lefty wants you to be fair.... It's because he plans to fuck you

Rule number.)

When lefty extends his hand for friendship it's only so he can hold you still while he stabs you to death with the other hand.


By and large I give McConnell a lot of credit.
I just never felt as though his heart was in this particular piece of legislation. some articles that I've read on the process indicate that McConnell locked out certain senators who wanted to have input... it's pretty obvious that Trump only has a small handful of GOP senators who really want the wall.

Whatever their reasons don't discount the enormous amount of cartel money that finds its way into the states through Hispanic Civic organizations that make political donations.

Hispanic Civic Organizations? Like the Catholic Church?

 

[Sactowndog]

So tell me if an executive order can abrogate Article 1 of the Constitution why any other part of the Constitution would be exempt?

An Executive Order must be Constitutional....you realize that, right? Can ANYONE issue an Executive Order to confiscate guns?
Yes or no.

Hell Barry had a horrific record in the SC.

Sure than I assume you would agree Trump’s using an executive order to seize the power of the purse from the legislature violating article 1 of the Constitution would also be invalid.

You want to have it both ways but precedent doesn’t work that way. A point made by more than 1 thoughtful Republican: Susan Collins, Thom Thilis, Tom Sullivan.

The person missing the yes or no question is you not me....

It is not overriding the Constitution. Trump will get that money from a department that's already been funded by the US Congress and passed by the Senate.

Money is allotted for specific uses. You can't spend it for something it wasn't approved for. That would be misappropriation of funds.

Under normal circumstances, that would be correct. However in a declaration of emergency, they can shift money around. For instance Homeland Security or perhaps the Military Budget. It's very easy to see how a border wall could fit into either of those categories. Nearly a half million illegals apprehended last year, Lord knows how many that were not, over 70,000 Americans dead because of narcotic use; most of it coming from the southern border. The murders, the rapes, the theft. Human trafficking, undercutting American wages, there is just nothing good about them coming here. Oh yes, our peaches are cheaper.

I have news for you. Most of the opioid crises started with Pharmacuetical companies.

 

[BULLDOG]

So tell me if an executive order can abrogate Article 1 of the Constitution why any other part of the Constitution would be exempt?

An Executive Order must be Constitutional....you realize that, right? Can ANYONE issue an Executive Order to confiscate guns?
Yes or no.

Hell Barry had a horrific record in the SC.

Sure than I assume you would agree Trump’s using an executive order to seize the power of the purse from the legislature violating article 1 of the Constitution would also be invalid.

You want to have it both ways but precedent doesn’t work that way. A point made by more than 1 thoughtful Republican: Susan Collins, Thom Thilis, Tom Sullivan.

The person missing the yes or no question is you not me....

It is not overriding the Constitution. Trump will get that money from a department that's already been funded by the US Congress and passed by the Senate.

Money is allotted for specific uses. You can't spend it for something it wasn't approved for. That would be misappropriation of funds.

Under normal circumstances, that would be correct. However in a declaration of emergency, they can shift money around. For instance Homeland Security or perhaps the Military Budget. It's very easy to see how a border wall could fit into either of those categories. Nearly a half million illegals apprehended last year, Lord knows how many that were not, over 70,000 Americans dead because of narcotic use; most of it coming from the southern border. The murders, the rapes, the theft. Human trafficking, undercutting American wages, there is just nothing good about them coming here. Oh yes, our peaches are cheaper.

That's the point of the country's opposition to Trump's so called emergency. It isn't an emergency, and him calling it that just to use emergency powers is dangerous. If a president can just mouth the word "emergency" in a time when there is no real emergency to gain political advantage, that is in direct opposition to the spirit and word of our constitution.

 

[Sactowndog]

An Executive Order must be Constitutional....you realize that, right? Can ANYONE issue an Executive Order to confiscate guns?
Yes or no.

Hell Barry had a horrific record in the SC.

Sure than I assume you would agree Trump’s using an executive order to seize the power of the purse from the legislature violating article 1 of the Constitution would also be invalid.

You want to have it both ways but precedent doesn’t work that way. A point made by more than 1 thoughtful Republican: Susan Collins, Thom Thilis, Tom Sullivan.

The person missing the yes or no question is you not me....

It is not overriding the Constitution. Trump will get that money from a department that's already been funded by the US Congress and passed by the Senate.

Money is allotted for specific uses. You can't spend it for something it wasn't approved for. That would be misappropriation of funds.

Under normal circumstances, that would be correct. However in a declaration of emergency, they can shift money around. For instance Homeland Security or perhaps the Military Budget. It's very easy to see how a border wall could fit into either of those categories. Nearly a half million illegals apprehended last year, Lord knows how many that were not, over 70,000 Americans dead because of narcotic use; most of it coming from the southern border. The murders, the rapes, the theft. Human trafficking, undercutting American wages, there is just nothing good about them coming here. Oh yes, our peaches are cheaper.

That's the point of the country's opposition to Trump's so called emergency. It isn't an emergency, and him calling it that just to use emergency powers is dangerous. If a president can just mouth the word "emergency" in a time when there is no real emergency to gain political advantage, that is in direct opposition to the spirit and word of our constitution.

Actually Presidents have wide discretion in declaring an emergency. If the argument were solely about how an emergency is defined I would have to agree with Racist Ray that Trump is correct. What makes this different is Trump trying to use the declaration to misappropriate funds in violation of Article 1 of the Constitution.

What’s particularly ironic is RR absolves McConnell of maintaining the filabuster on the grounds future Democrats might abuse the legislative process. But RR sees no problem in a President over riding powers specifically delegated to Congress. Apparently, either RR is smarter than our founders our Ann Coulter is right about appealing to the Trumptards.

 

[Sactowndog]

Her (and the Democrats) interest is making whites a minority in this country as soon as possible. That's their goal. The Democrat party is now the anti-white party, and they make no bones about it.

Paranoid much?

Stupid much?

You think I, being an old white guy, am anti me? One of us is stupid, but it's not me.

That's the beauty of their plan. You don't know they're out to get rid of us. Instead, they tell us of the heartbreak stories of illegals, immigrants, especially those form S/C America. They tell us it's empathy that drives them. What drives them is power and money.

Every other group outside of whites votes a majority Democrat. We are in the way. We need to be eliminated; not in a genocidal way, but in a political way. The intent is not hating whites, but to form a single-party government for the rest of our days as a country.

Once we are out of the picture, they have unchallenged power. A Republican stands no chance against them. That will be the beginning of the end of the Great Experiment. We will quickly become Socialist, and Communism right behind it.

Yes, the crazy right wing needs to be eliminated. Not because of their skin color, but because they are crazy, hateful, and mean.

Trump did us a favor by concentrating them all in the Republican Party.

 

[Aponi]

Tell her to try and come and get them herself

 

[Aponi]

You wont see millions of Americans show up on the boarder armed trying to stop a wall .
You would see millions of Americans armed telling pelosi to come get them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

An Executive Order must be Constitutional....you realize that, right? Can ANYONE issue an Executive Order to confiscate guns?
Yes or no.

Hell Barry had a horrific record in the SC.

Sure than I assume you would agree Trump’s using an executive order to seize the power of the purse from the legislature violating article 1 of the Constitution would also be invalid.

You want to have it both ways but precedent doesn’t work that way. A point made by more than 1 thoughtful Republican: Susan Collins, Thom Thilis, Tom Sullivan.

The person missing the yes or no question is you not me....

It is not overriding the Constitution. Trump will get that money from a department that's already been funded by the US Congress and passed by the Senate.

Money is allotted for specific uses. You can't spend it for something it wasn't approved for. That would be misappropriation of funds.

Under normal circumstances, that would be correct. However in a declaration of emergency, they can shift money around. For instance Homeland Security or perhaps the Military Budget. It's very easy to see how a border wall could fit into either of those categories. Nearly a half million illegals apprehended last year, Lord knows how many that were not, over 70,000 Americans dead because of narcotic use; most of it coming from the southern border. The murders, the rapes, the theft. Human trafficking, undercutting American wages, there is just nothing good about them coming here. Oh yes, our peaches are cheaper.

That's the point of the country's opposition to Trump's so called emergency. It isn't an emergency, and him calling it that just to use emergency powers is dangerous. If a president can just mouth the word "emergency" in a time when there is no real emergency to gain political advantage, that is in direct opposition to the spirit and word of our constitution.

Outside of 911, were all the other declarations real emergencies? Most of them had to do with other countries that were not a threat to the US.

Trump tried everything he could to get the wall the usual way by going through Congress. They refused to negotiate. And even with the crummy 1.6 billion, we still got the royal screwing. They simply played politics with it. They want illegals to have easy access to our country. Democrats don't care about the fatal drugs, the murders, the diseases, the poor people we are going to be obligated to take care of, just as long as they get their foreigners into this country.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

An Executive Order must be Constitutional....you realize that, right? Can ANYONE issue an Executive Order to confiscate guns?
Yes or no.

Hell Barry had a horrific record in the SC.

Sure than I assume you would agree Trump’s using an executive order to seize the power of the purse from the legislature violating article 1 of the Constitution would also be invalid.

You want to have it both ways but precedent doesn’t work that way. A point made by more than 1 thoughtful Republican: Susan Collins, Thom Thilis, Tom Sullivan.

The person missing the yes or no question is you not me....

It is not overriding the Constitution. Trump will get that money from a department that's already been funded by the US Congress and passed by the Senate.

Money is allotted for specific uses. You can't spend it for something it wasn't approved for. That would be misappropriation of funds.

Under normal circumstances, that would be correct. However in a declaration of emergency, they can shift money around. For instance Homeland Security or perhaps the Military Budget. It's very easy to see how a border wall could fit into either of those categories. Nearly a half million illegals apprehended last year, Lord knows how many that were not, over 70,000 Americans dead because of narcotic use; most of it coming from the southern border. The murders, the rapes, the theft. Human trafficking, undercutting American wages, there is just nothing good about them coming here. Oh yes, our peaches are cheaper.

I have news for you. Most of the opioid crises started with Pharmacuetical companies.

We had opioids in this country as long as I've been alive. Only the last few decades did it become a crisis. When people get hooked and are no longer able to obtain the drugs legally, they use illegal drugs instead.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well if you spend some time here and read my past posts, you'll find I'm far from a police officer. I'm a truck driver and part-time landlord. How are you against Communists when your party stands for just about the same things? Why do you suppose the US Communist party endorsed your last three presidential candidates and strongly supported Bernie Sanders?

My Party? I’m not registered Democrat. You know the comment about assuming....

I've never seen you before, so all I can go by is what I read. If it walks like a duck.....quacks like a duck......

Then apparently Republican Senators like Collins and Thillis must be Democrat’s also because my points are the same as theirs.

Perhaps you should get your news from something other than Hannity talk radio.

Ever hear the term RINO?

Sure, Racists In Northern Ohio? Did you work in a GM plant prior to driving a truck?

WTF would you ask something as stupid as that?

 

[Polishprince]

The House speaker warned Republicans about the precedent Trump could set by declaring a national emergency to secure border wall funding.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday warned about the dangerous precedent President Donald Trump could set if he declares a national emergency to secure funding for his border wall.

“I know the Republicans have some unease about it, no matter what they say,” Pelosi told reporters at the Capitol. “Because if the president can declare an emergency on something that he has created as an emergency, an illusion that he wants to convey, just think of what a president with different values can present to the American people.”

Pelosi said the situation at the U.S.-Mexico border doesn’t constitute an “emergency,” as Trump has framed it, but rather a “humanitarian challenge.”

“You want to talk about a national emergency?” Pelosi said. “Let’s talk about today, the one-year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America. That’s a national emergency.”

Pelosi was referring to the Feb. 14, 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. She noted that a Democratic president could declare a national emergency on gun violence and warned Republicans to carefully consider the precedent Trump would set by using his executive power to override Congress.

“Democratic presidents can declare emergencies as well,” Pelosi said. “So the precedent that the president is setting here is something that should be met with great unease and dismay by the Republicans.”

More: Pelosi To GOP: A Democratic President Could Declare National Emergency On Guns

What goes around comes around. Go Nancy!

I'm sure that they would, regardless of President Trump's actions on the Border Emergency. Should not be a deterrent at all.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Dems Look To Declare National Emergency Over Climate Change, Not A ‘Fake Crisis’

Well, that would certainly make more sense than Trump's phony crisis at the border.

No, because the crisis at the border is real.....not made up.

Ray, they think they park and play at the border. They’re too stupid to know they infiltrated our country up to Canada

“They” infiltrated our country. Just curious when did your ancestors get here?

What difference would that make? As long as they came here legally.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, the crazy right wing needs to be eliminated. Not because of their skin color, but because they are crazy, hateful, and mean.

Yes, the hateful, mean, crazy right.

Just LOOK at their HATEFUL MEANNESS:

Oops, sorry, that was the Radical Left rioting and burning at Berkley because someone with a different view was set to speak there.

Well then there is their craziness! Yes! The Right are crazy with all their wanting to stop later-term abortions and stuff and protect religious rights! Those NUTS!

Oops. Sorry. More of the Radical Left baby killers, transsexuals, and other social misfits.

Just where are all those crazy, mean, deplorable, hateful right-wingers?

Hey! Found them! Off with their heads!

 

[SmokeALib]

Lol what democratic president? I don't see that happening for at least a decade.

 

[LeftofLeft]

As she was trying to make a point, she really affirmed that Democrats want to take guns from law-abiding citizens.

 

[justoffal]

Just when you think that Peloski couldn't possibly say something any more absurd and idiotic.....

Makes you wonder if she hasn't joined the Trump 2020 campaign. Nancy just made the point that democrats really do plan to go for the guns.

IMO there's a method there. A growing number of new age Dems want her out and she knows it. She's not going to go down without one hell of a fight. On her way down she'll take a pound of flesh from the esophageal tissue of the party leaving them totally fucked. Her comment on gun grabbing could be a bow shot to the rest of the party.

Jo

 

[justoffal]

Lol what democratic president? I don't see that happening for at least a decade.

It's doesn't matter. The idea that the left with show restraint on a tit for tat basis is not realistic. The conservatives could obey every modicum of courtesy and fairness in deference to the left....all it would do is ensure that the left will fuck them THAT MUCH HARDER when they get the chance

Jo