Philistines are NOT Arab Palestinians (as falsely advertised):

[Coyote]

As "advertised"?

What is this, an A&E documentary?

I didn't get that either - who said otherwise?

I've never felt the Philistines were as key to modern Palestinian history as the Canaanites.

The Canaanites were not Arabs. The fakestinians are Arabs. There is absolutely no ancestral link between the Canaanites and the fakestinians. The consensus among historians and archaeologists is today's fakestinians descended from Arabs originating from Arabia.

No doubt invading (Cretan) Philistines settled on the coast, and no doubt there was some raping and pillaging going on which meant their descendants settled in what are now Palestinian towns, but research tells us that that Philistines did not arrive in huge numbers, and many left in time. Canaanite towns and garrisons like Jericho play a far more central role in all of thise.

The Philistines disappeared as a people in the 6th century.

The Jews are the only surviving ethnical people to today from ancient Canaan/Israel and Mesopotamia[

http://www.stml.net/text/Populations.pdf

The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition. Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001). ã American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001

 

[Maryland]

Arab-American Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Modern Arab Studies, Columbia University, Director of Columbia University's Middle East Institute and advisor to various Arab groups...

There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.
Amazon.com: Palestinian Identity (9780231105156): Rashid Khalidi: Books

 

[Coyote]

Arab-American Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Modern Arab Studies, Columbia University, Director of Columbia University's Middle East Institute and advisor to various Arab groups...

There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.
Amazon.com: Palestinian Identity (9780231105156): Rashid Khalidi: Books

Which has what to do with your false claim of "The Jews are the only surviving ethnical people to today from ancient Canaan/Israel and Mesopotamia" that is utterly trashed by genetic analysis?

 

[Maryland]

Arab-American Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Modern Arab Studies, Columbia University, Director of Columbia University's Middle East Institute and advisor to various Arab groups...

There is a relatively recent tradition which argues that Palestinian nationalism has deep historical roots. As with other national movements, extreme advocates of this view anachronistically read back into the history of Palestine over the past few centuries a nationalist consciousness and identity that are in fact relatively modern. Among the manifestations of this outlook are a predilection for seeing in peoples such as the Canaanites, Jebusites and Philistines the lineal ancestors of the modern Palestinians.
Amazon.com: Palestinian Identity (9780231105156): Rashid Khalidi: Books

Which has what to do with your false claim of "The Jews are the only surviving ethnical people to today from ancient Canaan/Israel and Mesopotamia" that is utterly trashed by genetic analysis?

Pallies are Arabs, from Arabia. Jews are the sole surviving ethnical people from ancient Canaan, Israel and Mesopotamia.

 

[Coyote]

Arab-American Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Modern Arab Studies, Columbia University, Director of Columbia University's Middle East Institute and advisor to various Arab groups...

Which has what to do with your false claim of "The Jews are the only surviving ethnical people to today from ancient Canaan/Israel and Mesopotamia" that is utterly trashed by genetic analysis?

Pallies are Arabs, from Arabia. Jews are the sole surviving ethnical people from ancient Canaan, Israel and Mesopotamia.

You're welcome to believe whatever you wish, but that doesn't make it a fact.

 

[Maryland]

Which has what to do with your false claim of "The Jews are the only surviving ethnical people to today from ancient Canaan/Israel and Mesopotamia" that is utterly trashed by genetic analysis?

Pallies are Arabs, from Arabia. Jews are the sole surviving ethnical people from ancient Canaan, Israel and Mesopotamia.

You're welcome to believe whatever you wish, but that doesn't make it a fact.

Archaeologist and Historian Dr. Eric Cline, Chairman of the Department of Classical and Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations, George Washington University; Director of the GWU Capitol Archaeological Institute

The claims that modern Palestinians are descended from the ancient Jebusites are made without any supporting evidence. Historians and archaeologists have generally concluded that most, if not all, modern Palestinians are probably more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan and other countries than they are to the ancient Jebusites, Canaanites or Philistines.
Oxford University Press: The Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean: Eric H. Cline

 

[50_RiaL]

[. . .]

Editec:
. . .

You have been misinformed about this issue.

That region was called PALESTINE both officially and by the people of the region, for 2000 years.

PALESTINE was the name used, by every government that ran the region right up until 1948.

The myth that this name is new, is entirely a fiction.


50_RiaL:

The earliest mention of the Holy Land as Palestine (probably in reference to the Philistines, a non-Arabic, non-Semitic people from the Greek Isles who invaded the southern coast of the Holy Land in the 2nd half of the 12th century B.C.E) is by Greek historian, Herodotus in the 5th Century B.C.E.

In contrast, one of the earliest mention of the Holy Land as Israel is the archaeological find the Mesha Stele by King Mesha of Moab (present-day Jordan) in the 9th Century B.C.E., where he writes:

"As for Omri*, king of Israel, he humbled Moab many years . . ."

The Mesha Stele/Moabite Stone is housed in The Louvre in Paris.

*Omri, king of Israel mentioned in the Bible (1 KINGS 16:16)

Israel precedes Palestine.

 

[50_RiaL]

Saigon:

Do try and focus - I have referred you to books written by Jewish historians ('Peace to End All Peace', by Fromkin) and posted material from Wikipedia, which will in turn link you to 3 seperate research papers.

I can suggest more books if you like. All the material confirms the existance of Palestinian Nationalist groups operating from the 1910's.

50_RiaL:

During the British Mandate period, the Arab political representation was called "The Arab Higher Committee" and NOT -- I repeat, NOT -- the 'Palestinian Committee.'

 

[Maryland]

[. . .]

Editec:
. . .

You have been misinformed about this issue.

That region was called PALESTINE both officially and by the people of the region, for 2000 years.

PALESTINE was the name used, by every government that ran the region right up until 1948.

The myth that this name is new, is entirely a fiction.


50_RiaL:

The earliest mention of the Holy Land as Palestine (probably in reference to the Philistines, a non-Arabic, non-Semitic people from the Greek Isles who invaded the southern coast of the Holy Land in the 2nd half of the 12th century B.C.E) is by Greek historian, Herodotus in the 5th Century B.C.E.

In contrast, one of the earliest mention of the Holy Land as Israel is the archaeological find the Mesha Stele by King Mesha of Moab (present-day Jordan) in the 9th Century B.C.E., where he writes:

"As for Omri*, king of Israel, he humbled Moab many years . . ."

The Mesha Stele/Moabite Stone is housed in The Louvre in Paris.

*Omri, king of Israel mentioned in the Bible (1 KINGS 16:16)

Israel precedes Palestine.

Palestine was the European name for Israel, the correct name of the land named by its indigenous Jewish inhabitants..

Jesus is known as the King of Israel, not palestine.

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel

 

[BecauseIKnow]

No Israelites viewed Jesus as the King of Israel. You're a fool.

 

[50_RiaL]

Editec:
. . .

You have been misinformed about this issue.

That region was called PALESTINE both officially and by the people of the region, for 2000 years.

PALESTINE was the name used, by every government that ran the region right up until 1948.

The myth that this name is new, is entirely a fiction.


50_RiaL:

The earliest mention of the Holy Land as Palestine (probably in reference to the Philistines, a non-Arabic, non-Semitic people from the Greek Isles who invaded the southern coast of the Holy Land in the 2nd half of the 12th century B.C.E) is by Greek historian, Herodotus in the 5th Century B.C.E.

In contrast, one of the earliest mention of the Holy Land as Israel is the archaeological find the Mesha Stele by King Mesha of Moab (present-day Jordan) in the 9th Century B.C.E., where he writes:

"As for Omri*, king of Israel, he humbled Moab many years . . ."

The Mesha Stele/Moabite Stone is housed in The Louvre in Paris.

*Omri, king of Israel mentioned in the Bible (1 KINGS 16:16)

Israel precedes Palestine.

Maryland:

Palestine was the European name for Israel, the correct name of the land named by its indigenous Jewish inhabitants..

Jesus is known as the King of Israel, not palestine.

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel

Yes, true. Your erudition is impressive. This forum is pretty dull . . . there isn't much of a challenge from the other side.

 

[Maryland]

No Israelites viewed Jesus as the King of Israel. You're a fool.

You're just an ignorant muslim pedophile worshipper.

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel!”

 

[50_RiaL]

No Israelites viewed Jesus as the King of Israel. You're a fool.

His followers were . . . Gospels, with the exception of Luke, were

 

[BecauseIKnow]

No Israelites viewed Jesus as the King of Israel. You're a fool.

His followers were . . . Gospels, with the exception of Luke, were

At least you've made a point unlike that witch of a woman above me......

 

[Maryland]

No Israelites viewed Jesus as the King of Israel. You're a fool.

His followers were . . . Gospels, with the exception of Luke, were

At least you've made a point unlike that witch of a woman above me......

Ignorant Muhammadan: Always remember, allah is a zionist who gave Israel to the Children of Israel

Koran 10:93: We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Now you sound like a paid progandist. Or a completely not up there person. I prefer to speak with real Christians. People that emulate Jesus. You're nothing like the people you speak of.

 

[Maryland]

Now you sound like a paid progandist. Or a completely not up there person. I prefer to speak with real Christians. People that emulate Jesus. You're nothing like the people you speak of.

Koran is propaganda, ignorant muhammadan? No whorehouse in the sky for you, dumb motherfucker

Quran 5:20-21

Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

 

[irosie91]

Now you sound like a paid progandist. Or a completely not up there person. I prefer to speak with real Christians. People that emulate Jesus. You're nothing like the people you speak of.

Maryland mentioned some lines out of the koran----what has that got to do with
"emulating jesus"??? Jesus did lots of quoting----of course he did not quote
the koran-- try to make sense 'because'

 

[Maryland]

Now you sound like a paid progandist. Or a completely not up there person. I prefer to speak with real Christians. People that emulate Jesus. You're nothing like the people you speak of.

Maryland mentioned some lines out of the koran----what has that got to do with
"emulating jesus"??? Jesus did lots of quoting----of course he did not quote
the koran-- try to make sense 'because'

Not so fast: According to holy koran, Isa [Jesus] was a muslim so he must have read from the koran

 

[Maryland]

The Philisteins live next-door to us. Lovely couple, Jack and Betty Philistein.