Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car

[Hutch Starskey]

It's not a baby. It's tissue, donated by the choice of the patient just as an organ donor would. Tissue that would otherwise be discarded. Do yo think it's pretty when they harvest tissue from an adult donor?

No, it's a baby, and an adult gives consent, a baby doesn't, and no matter how much you try, that BABY ISN'T it's mother, but its own being!

No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?

You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,

And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?

Good question. Now go look it up. Arguing from a position of ignorance makes you appear foolish.

I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!

Fool! It's apparent that you have nothing.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.

Human beings will always have a strong sex drive. That is a good thing. Education and personal responsibility and an understand of right and wrong is whats missing today.

'Right and Wrong is determined by our representatives in Congress (or today by five members of the Supreme Court, but I digress) and defined in government codes (Penal, B&P, W&I, etc.) Not by you or the Clergy.

Personal responsibility is made by the individual who makes decisions, decisions whose consequences will impact them over the course of their lifetime. Thus, education, open, factually and not emotionally or guilt laden, is what is needed.

"Because I said so". And, "Just say NO!" is an invitation to experiment and challenge authority, which has historically shown to entice rebellion in the human species.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!

The only thing you're exposing is that you're a delusional righwing cultist

But that's ok, this would be boring if everyone tried to argue with reasonable arguments and evidence. Oh wait, then we wouldn't even been having this discussion

 

[Redfish]

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.

Human beings will always have a strong sex drive. That is a good thing. Education and personal responsibility and an understand of right and wrong is whats missing today.

'Right and Wrong is determined by our representatives in Congress (or today by five members of the Supreme Court, but I digress) and defined in government codes (Penal, B&P, W&I, etc.) Not by you or the Clergy.

Personal responsibility is made by the individual who makes decisions, decisions whose consequences will impact them over the course of their lifetime. Thus, education, open, factually and not emotionally or guilt laden, is what is needed.

"Because I said so". And, "Just say NO!" is an invitation to experiment and challenge authority, which has historically shown to entice rebellion in the human species.

Right and wrong is determined and established by society as a whole and then is made law by legislative processes.

Our basic views of right and wrong in this country have been determined by judeo/Christian teachings as well as the british system of law.

Judges and courts rule on violations of law, they do not make law.

 

[Vigilante]

No, it's a baby, and an adult gives consent, a baby doesn't, and no matter how much you try, that BABY ISN'T it's mother, but its own being!

No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?

You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,

And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?

Good question. Now go look it up. Arguing from a position of ignorance makes you appear foolish.

I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!

Fool! It's apparent that you have nothing.

Yes internet Liberal...any of these fit your reply! BUT #4 most of all!!!!!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Redfish said:

"[W]e cannot ignore the FACT that PP exists to provide abortions. Their only product is fetal tissue. they are a fetal tissue farm. Legality and morality do cross paths."

Planned Parenthood exists to provide women with important and comprehensive healthcare services, where abortion is legal and conducted at the behest of women exercising their fundamental right to privacy.

The tissue samples provided to researchers are not a 'product,' as abortions would continue to be performed whether or not the tissue is provided to researchers.

Indeed, it would be immoral for Planned Parenthood to not provide the samples for vital research.

Last, that Planned Parenthood affords samples to researchers in no way 'encourages' women to have abortions who otherwise would not consider having the procedure, such a notion fails as a post hoc fallacy.

 

[Vigilante]

I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!

The only thing you're exposing is that you're a delusional righwing cultist

But that's ok, this would be boring if everyone tried to argue with reasonable arguments and evidence. Oh wait, then we wouldn't even been having this discussion

You're mother made a mistake when you were born.......LOLOLOL...Truth is funny with the immoral!

 

[Jantje_Smit]

NIce spin attempt. pro-choice = pro-abortion. Everyone but you understands that.

Really? You think being pro choice means being in favor of rounding up all pregnant women and forcing them to have an abortion against their will?

That's really not what pro choice means comrade, that would make me just as bad as this nutjob


Mike Huckabee threatens actual war on women … with troops to stop abortions

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.

total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.

Then why are conservatives opposed to the ACA and contraception?

And why aren't you holding conservatives liable for their actions of opposing the ACA and contraception?

Why do you oppose people buying their own insurance and contraception?

Why do you think people should be forced to pay for someone else's contraception?

As a fiscal conservative I can make the case that the cost of contraception is way cheaper than the cost of pregnancy and childbirth.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

You're mother made a mistake when you were born.......LOLOLOL...Truth is funny with the immoral!

Not really, maybe she made a mistake 9 months before that but since I'm here now and having fun I don't think so.

And talking about immoral, I bet you were one of those cheering before the tv when your previous idiot in chief was killing thousands with shock and awe to accomplish his mission of killing the guy who tried to kill his daddy.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No. When tissue is harvested it's not a baby.
Like I said, it would be discarded. Rather than being discarded, consent is given to harvest the tissue for research purposes. Where do you think tissue comes from for such purposes?

You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,

And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?

Good question. Now go look it up. Arguing from a position of ignorance makes you appear foolish.

I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!

Fool! It's apparent that you have nothing.

Yes internet Liberal...any of these fit your reply! BUT #4 most of all!!!!!

Curious that you went online to find an image but not the answers you supposedly seek.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.

total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.

Then why are conservatives opposed to the ACA and contraception?

And why aren't you holding conservatives liable for their actions of opposing the ACA and contraception?

Why do you oppose people buying their own insurance and contraception?

Why do you think people should be forced to pay for someone else's contraception?

As a fiscal conservative I can make the case that the cost of contraception is way cheaper than the cost of pregnancy and childbirth.

I bet insurers agree.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Redfish said:

"NIce spin attempt. pro-choice = pro-abortion. Everyone but you understands that."

Wrong.

No one is 'pro-abortion,' to acknowledge the privacy rights of women does not mean one 'approves' of abortion.

Indeed, the conflict has nothing to do with the merits of abortion, as the practice needs to be ended – rather, the conflict concerns how to best end the practice that comports with the Constitution and its case law, where you and most others on the right seek to 'ban' abortion in violation of a woman's protected liberty of choice.

 

[Wry Catcher]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

In a Republic people democratically elect proxies to act for them. This is the democratic republic given us by the Founders. If you don't like the process, leave. I'm sick of hearing from Libertarian ideologues who hate America and want to transform it into a dystopian anarchy.

Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.

You sure like to make unsupported allegations.

You assholes even want to punish non-compliant thoughts. You want to control every act of every person. Orwell predicted your foolishness and wrote accurately about it.

You lose. Calling me an asshole for pointing out the obvious is evidence that you can't refute my statement. A non emotional response (an intelligent one) would have provide evidence to support your allegation that, "President Obama and the Democratic Party seek to establish a "dystopian anarchy".

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

In a Republic people democratically elect proxies to act for them. This is the democratic republic given us by the Founders. If you don't like the process, leave. I'm sick of hearing from Libertarian ideologues who hate America and want to transform it into a dystopian anarchy.

Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.

You sure like to make unsupported allegations.

a statement supported by facts is not an allegation. You assholes even want to punish non-compliant thoughts. You want to control every act of every person. Orwell predicted your foolishness and wrote accurately about it.

"a statement supported by facts is not an allegation"? It sure as hell is. Every police report sent to the prosecutor is an allegation with a statement of facts, and signed by the officer under penalty of perjury as true and correct.

Calling me an asshole and stating I want to "punish non-compliant thoughts" is an allegation not supported by facts and is a LIE.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.

total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.

Then why are conservatives opposed to the ACA and contraception?

And why aren't you holding conservatives liable for their actions of opposing the ACA and contraception?

Why do you oppose people buying their own insurance and contraception?

Why do you think people should be forced to pay for someone else's contraception?

Do you oppose the right of a women's to have choice? Do abortions displease you? If you answer yes to both of these questions, the reasoned response to paying for "someone else's contraception" is to understand that fewer abortions will occur.

I pay my taxes, and I pay for my families health insurance, and I support both a women's right to chose and any and all efforts to reduce abortions. Of course I believe in liberty and freedom, that's why I believe Libertarianism is the road to a dystopian self absorbed future.

 

[kaz]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

Moving the goal posts. You asked me what good they do. I even said in this discussion they should get zero federal money, and you know that would be my position anyway

 

[kaz]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

Puplic health is a public concern. That's why they get public funds.

They get public funds because you're too cheap to fund the charities you support. You want other people's money to fund it, then you want to pat yourself on the back for your generosity. Charity is not an act that can be performed with other people's money

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The 9 thumbs up this retarded thread has before you click on the link shows just how bad a counter is needed. Be it a red X or a thumbs down it is beyond stupid that only one form of expression is allowed.

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

Well, you are here and so is the vigilante clown.

Isn't that enough?

 

[Vigilante]

You're right...it's a DEAD BABY,

And again WHAT RESEARCH, and after all these years of PP PROFITING on DEAD BABIES, what GOOD has come from it...what cure, what discovery?

Good question. Now go look it up. Arguing from a position of ignorance makes you appear foolish.

I told you I had and there is nothing, as stated, 100+ posts ago, and you just continue the lies! I don't mind, I enjoy exposing liberal lies!

Fool! It's apparent that you have nothing.

Yes internet Liberal...any of these fit your reply! BUT #4 most of all!!!!!

Curious that you went online to find an image but not the answers you supposedly seek.

Because YOU are a liberal, LIE like it was honey dripping off your tongue, and for the THIRD TIME I tell you, there is NO INFORMATION that I can find, you will continue your useless rant!...BUT since you are an and can't back up anything about research (Which, BTW, get HUGE GOV'T GRANTS to do...WHAT...RESEARCH!!!) I leave you to your own devices!