Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car

[kaz]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

In a Republic people democratically elect proxies to act for them. This is the democratic republic given us by the Founders. If you don't like the process, leave. I'm sick of hearing from Libertarian ideologues who hate America and want to transform it into a dystopian anarchy.

Yes, it's your way or the highway, bitch, you mentioned that. I'm sick of your Hitler shit. You don't like opposition to your ideas, there are a plethura of countries in the world that serve your needs. Go there. I'm not going to not say my view because you don't like hearing it. Tough nuggies

And yes, of course, I love government or hate America and I'm a Republican or an anarchist. You are one stupid shit

 

[kaz]

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

other than passing out condoms at junior high schools, what good does it do?

Actually, Sandra Fluke wasn't in Junior High and she could have gotten free birth control at a variety of Planned Parenthood locations within a few miles of Georgetown

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.

Government not confiscating money from people to pay for other people's sex is "a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism."



M'kay. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

 

[kaz]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

In a Republic people democratically elect proxies to act for them. This is the democratic republic given us by the Founders. If you don't like the process, leave. I'm sick of hearing from Libertarian ideologues who hate America and want to transform it into a dystopian anarchy.

Then you must hate obama and the dem party. Because that is exactly what they are trying to do.

You sure like to make unsupported allegations.

From the guy who thinks wanting small government is hating our country and if you're not a Democrat or a Republican you're an anarchist. You're on a roll, unfortunately you're rolling it back on yourself...

 

[BlueGin]

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Both should be done but of course it's Repubs all around the nation pulling funding for both sex ed and contraception. Your ideal of inspiring morality as a cure to pregnancy is never going to overcome human nature. You are a perfect example of the coveluded con thinking on this subject.

Cures for unwanted premarital pregnancy

1. put on the condom
2. keep your legs together
3. take the BC pill
4. don't screw until you are married
5. turn gay

If you know you don't want children. Get your tubes tied.

Yes, I'm shooting blanks for that reason and proud of it. I love my two daughters dearly, but two is enough...

Yeah. It's not rocket science and it's covered under the ACA.

 

[kaz]

Why is it the government's role to provide free birth control to anyone? What's next, mandatory sterilization of those deemed unworthy by the government? Wasn't that tried once in a european country named Germany?

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Spot on. The fact is, if they really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease they would support all efforts to reduce abortions and STD's; that they don't suggests a desire to control others and is an example of authoritarianism.

total bullshit, wrong on all points. Conservatives want to limit unwanted pregnancy and disease. They also want people liable for their actions.

Then why are conservatives opposed to the ACA and contraception?

And why aren't you holding conservatives liable for their actions of opposing the ACA and contraception?

Why do you oppose people buying their own insurance and contraception?

Why do you think people should be forced to pay for someone else's contraception?

The fact is that planned parenthood would have no problem raising the money for their cause, it's just easier for government to do it for them

 

[kaz]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

Puplic health is a public concern. That's why they get public funds.

They get public funds because you're too cheap to fund the charities you support. You want other people's money to fund it, then you want to pat yourself on the back for your generosity. Charity is not an act that can be performed with other people's money

It's not charity, it's public health. It's why disease is so well controlled today. It's in everyone's best interest.

You're not following, Holmes. So you chip in and I will chip in. We support the cause. Redfish won't, it's his money, he shouldn't have to. Just like you shouldn't have to fund his causes you don't support. Government confiscating and redistributing the money is armed robbery. You keep arguing what I agree with you on, that PP is overall a good organization. That isn't the point I'm making

 

[Wry Catcher]

If you cared at all about eliminating abortion, you should be endorsing any program that helps to mitigate unintended pregnancy.

Education is the best program for preventing unintended pregnancy. Teaching morality and personal responisbility is much better for society that passing out condoms and telling kids "go to it, just put the rubber on first".

Abstinence education has been a complete and utter failure.

Human beings will always have a strong sex drive. That is a good thing. Education and personal responsibility and an understand of right and wrong is whats missing today.

'Right and Wrong is determined by our representatives in Congress (or today by five members of the Supreme Court, but I digress) and defined in government codes (Penal, B&P, W&I, etc.) Not by you or the Clergy.

Personal responsibility is made by the individual who makes decisions, decisions whose consequences will impact them over the course of their lifetime. Thus, education, open, factually and not emotionally or guilt laden, is what is needed.

"Because I said so". And, "Just say NO!" is an invitation to experiment and challenge authority, which has historically shown to entice rebellion in the human species.

Right and wrong is determined and established by society as a whole and then is made law by legislative processes.

Our basic views of right and wrong in this country have been determined by judeo/Christian teachings as well as the british system of law.

Judges and courts rule on violations of law, they do not make law.

Right and Wrong have been argued for millenniums - some societies sacrificed young virgins to the gods, others practiced cannibalism, and every generation engaged in activities damned by their forefathers, from Rock and Role to Hip Hop. Ethic/Moral Relativism has been discussed and argued by philosophers and their students for hundreds of generations, and still cultures and countries never agree on what is right and what is wrong - since both sides believe god is on their side.

Judges don't make the law? In practice they do, much to the disdain of conservatives when they find for SSM, and to the disdain of liberals when they equate money with free speech, as the law.

 

[kaz]

You mean LAW that civilization LIVED BY since LAW came into effect, provided moral thought, and direction, those LAWS ...

Laws that say abortion is legal you mean?

So was Dred Scott UNTIL WE THE PEOPLE made such a BIG STINK about it, as we do today with BABY KILLING!... Still nothing on your avatar, Pond scum?

Awwwwww....

LOL, he got to you on that one...

 

[Wry Catcher]

The 9 thumbs up this retarded thread has before you click on the link shows just how bad a counter is needed. Be it a red X or a thumbs down it is beyond stupid that only one form of expression is allowed.

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

You want the echo chamber to pat each other's back, since no one with any sense gives your posts, or theirs, positive reinforcement.

I'm happy to give you the feedback you deserve.

 

[jon_berzerk]

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".

Yes, they make their books balance at zero. They spend all of the funding that they receive from taxpayers plus the money they receive from the sale of fetal organs and tissue.

The individual sale of a fetal organ is a profit making transaction. That is what is being discussed, not the bottom line on PP's tax forms.

Thank you for admitting that you are lying!

did you bother to read my post dipshit? no lies, just facts.

Yes, you admitted that you lied about PP making profits.

There is no profit on the donation of fetal tissue.

They make enough of a profit so that one of the doctors can contemplate buying a Lamborghini.

so true

 

[jon_berzerk]

cant lose those pp $$profits$$

PP is a non-profit organization.

Please provide a credible non-partisan source for those alleged "profits".

PP is a non-profit organization.

so what

ceo cecile richards of plan parenthood makes over 500 grand a year

doesnt sound like non profit to me

Your opinion and a couple of dollars will get you a cup of coffee.

The fact remains that PP is a non-profit organization and no amount of lying on your part will alter that fact.

almost six hundred thousand dollar income

and they cater to the "poor"

after life and limb of the unborn

Thank you for admitting that you have nothing but inane deflections from the OP topic and have disqualified yourself from any further meaningful participation.

Have a nice day.

typical non sense coming from a libtard

 

[jon_berzerk]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

Are you a women? Do you know the full range of services provided by PP? Do you know the gaps which may exist in service to women?

You have a right to your opinion, but in expressing it, it is important to explain why if you hope to be credible.

A women? You mean a woman? A woman has obama care now, she can find a doctor that actually cares for her. Instead of wanting her to have an abortion so they can sell it's organs and limbs.

big pharma racking

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

when did they start doing abortions for free

last i heard they get up to 800 bucks a shot or more

Wrong, the american taxpayers are paying those fees by congression funding of PP. The poor welfare mothers are not being charged.

i certainly am not wrong

regardless of who is paying for them pp already gets a lot of money before

they sell off the baby body parts and organs

The BIG LIE is a lie told over and over until it becomes putative in the set famously called out by President Lincoln: "..."You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time..." Those who believe the meme echo it, and on it goes.

yeah so you leftists stop your lying

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The 9 thumbs up this retarded thread has before you click on the link shows just how bad a counter is needed. Be it a red X or a thumbs down it is beyond stupid that only one form of expression is allowed.

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

You want the echo chamber to pat each other's back, since no one with any sense gives your posts, or theirs, positive reinforcement.

I'm happy to give you the feedback you deserve.

Delusional nonsense

Tell me again about your toy CrackerJacks badge...

 

[Wry Catcher]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

They aren't a "charity", they are a health care services provider.

The Federal government subsidizing charities would be the "Faith Based Initiatives" that Bush II put in place.

Interesting, that got under your skin, I wonder why...

And you make "charity" and "health care services provider" sound contradictory, they are not. Charity is how it's funded. You want people to pay for their own "health care" and it's not a charity. You want PP to distribute it for free or at least subsidized, it is a charity

char·i·ty
ˈCHerədē/
noun

1. the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.
   synonyms: financial assistance, aid, welfare, relief, financial relief;
2. an organization set up to provide help and raise money for those in need.
   synonyms: nonprofit organization, voluntary organization, charitable institution;

Health care services provider

Types of health care providers MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

They are not contradictory, but not the same.

 

[IsaacNewton]

As you can see, conservatives won't admit they were wrong, even when they were wrong.

It is who they are. Integrity and character are utterly foreign to their way of thinking.

 

[kaz]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

They aren't a "charity", they are a health care services provider.

The Federal government subsidizing charities would be the "Faith Based Initiatives" that Bush II put in place.

Interesting, that got under your skin, I wonder why...

And you make "charity" and "health care services provider" sound contradictory, they are not. Charity is how it's funded. You want people to pay for their own "health care" and it's not a charity. You want PP to distribute it for free or at least subsidized, it is a charity

char·i·ty
ˈCHerədē/
noun

1. the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.
   synonyms: financial assistance, aid, welfare, relief, financial relief;
2. an organization set up to provide help and raise money for those in need.
   synonyms: nonprofit organization, voluntary organization, charitable institution;

Health care services provider

Types of health care providers MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

They are not contradictory, but not the same.

Liberals crack me up. PP gives away birth control and provides other no fee services. What about that being a charity confuses you? Those things while not being money cost money, note the word "typically" in the definition. Rather than getting the money from donors, money is confiscated by government and given to them. If we cut the government out of it, I would be glad to give more than my share to them, they provide valuable services. But people like you and me who support them should fund them.

The problem you have is being an extremist, you can't separate their funding and their services. To you, to want to cut their government funding means you want to eliminate their service. I want to cut their government funding, but I support their service and I'm willing to pay for them to provide it to others. Is that a mind fuck or what? Not being a Republican and not being a Democrat ... at the same time. It's all very complicated you know

 

[kaz]

As you can see, conservatives won't admit they were wrong, even when they were wrong.

It is who they are. Integrity and character are utterly foreign to their way of thinking.

What liberals have admitted they are wrong?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The 9 thumbs up this retarded thread has before you click on the link shows just how bad a counter is needed. Be it a red X or a thumbs down it is beyond stupid that only one form of expression is allowed.

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

You want the echo chamber to pat each other's back, since no one with any sense gives your posts, or theirs, positive reinforcement.

I'm happy to give you the feedback you deserve.

Delusional nonsense

Tell me again about your toy CrackerJacks badge...

It's gold in color, has seven points, has the County Logo, my title at retirement and the county name in gold on a ring of blue, and a banner alone the top which happily proclaims, "RETIRED". Along with that I get a five figure check + change every month and lifetime medical.

I also have an Honorable Discharge from the United States Navy; did you get one from the parole authority?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The 9 thumbs up this retarded thread has before you click on the link shows just how bad a counter is needed. Be it a red X or a thumbs down it is beyond stupid that only one form of expression is allowed.

Bring back some form of negative feedback that can balance the scales

You want the echo chamber to pat each other's back, since no one with any sense gives your posts, or theirs, positive reinforcement.

I'm happy to give you the feedback you deserve.

Delusional nonsense

Tell me again about your toy CrackerJacks badge...

It's gold in color, has seven points, has the County Logo, my title at retirement and the county name in gold on a ring of blue, and a banner alone the top which happily proclaims, "RETIRED". Along with that I get a five figure check + change every month and lifetime medical.

I also have an Honorable Discharge from the United States Navy; did you get one from the parole authority?

Naw I just got a diploma. But I enjoyed you sharing your fake cop story again. Thanks

 

[Wry Catcher]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

Planned Parenthood does far more good than bad, but there is no way Federal money should be given to them or any other charity. People should decide where their own money goes

They aren't a "charity", they are a health care services provider.

The Federal government subsidizing charities would be the "Faith Based Initiatives" that Bush II put in place.

Interesting, that got under your skin, I wonder why...

And you make "charity" and "health care services provider" sound contradictory, they are not. Charity is how it's funded. You want people to pay for their own "health care" and it's not a charity. You want PP to distribute it for free or at least subsidized, it is a charity

char·i·ty
ˈCHerədē/
noun

1. the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.
   synonyms: financial assistance, aid, welfare, relief, financial relief;
2. an organization set up to provide help and raise money for those in need.
   synonyms: nonprofit organization, voluntary organization, charitable institution;

Health care services provider

Types of health care providers MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

They are not contradictory, but not the same.

Liberals crack me up. PP gives away birth control and provides other no fee services. What about that being a charity confuses you? Those things while not being money cost money, note the word "typically" in the definition. Rather than getting the money from donors, money is confiscated by government and given to them. If we cut the government out of it, I would be glad to give more than my share to them, they provide valuable services. But people like you and me who support them should fund them.

The problem you have is being an extremist, you can't separate their funding and their services. To you, to want to cut their government funding means you want to eliminate their service. I want to cut their government funding, but I support their service and I'm willing to pay for them to provide it to others. Is that a mind fuck or what? Not being a Republican and not being a Democrat ... at the same time. It's all very complicated you know

Charities do not provide the service, PP does. It's really that simple.