[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Cecilie1200]

Workers are paid the minimum that corporations, following their one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others, can get away with.

The exceptions are executives who are freed of accountability and payed by their friends as much as the corporation can get away with.

>>> Workers are paid the minimum that corporations, following their one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others, can get away with.

Why don't you start a business and pay workers the maximum that you can up to and including selling everything you have and taking no salary whatsoever?

>>> The exceptions are executives who are freed of accountability and payed by their friends as much as the corporation can get away with.

Where is the democrat party on this? When do they plan to set all executive salaries? Point me to one party plank of theirs that says how they will fix the Executive Oligopoly over Executive salaries. They held all three branches of government and did nothing about it. NOTHING

Another good Republican recital. If you see a problem, treat it exactly like you would dog shit. Go around it. Avoid it at all costs. Humans, except for the Fox Cult, are incapable of solving problems. And the Fox Cult are absolved from responsibility and accountability because they're aristocracy.

Blame it on the people.

"Fox, Fox, Fox. I can't answer you, so I'll shout 'Fox, Fox, Fox' to drown you out. Fox, Fox, Fox."

 

[PMZ]

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

Is this from the Bible? Constitution? From God's lips direct to your ears? Wikipedia?

Oh I know. The fount of all knowledge, Fox News. Straight out of the Republican propaganda factory.

Good recital.

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. No one can possibly oppose me unless they're listening to Fox and parroting them, and if I just keep repeating that, it'll keep me from having to listen or respond to anyone. Fox, Fox, Fox!"

The only "recital" here is you, Brain Trust, every time you trot out this little speech in the mistaken belief that it fools anyone into thinking that you've said something, or that you're capable of saying something.

Truth is, every time the word "Fox" appears in one of your posts, all we see is, "He's right! I can't answer him! Auuuuggghh! Run away!"

24/7/365 political propaganda, leading the ignorant to blindly support, what's demonstrably damaging to America, offends me.

It's a tyrannical strategy, taking advantage of the vulnerable.

And it almost led to the downfall of America.

Why, exactly, should it be tolerated?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Tyranny is defined as minority rule.

Damn, if you're trying to make liberals look stupid, you're doing an excellent job, my man. Continuing to make up word definitions when, hello, you have a browser.

Don't be silly, Kaz. Everyone knows the Internet is for porn.

 

[PMZ]

Tyranny is defined as minority rule.

Damn, if you're trying to make liberals look stupid, you're doing an excellent job, my man. Continuing to make up word definitions when, hello, you have a browser.

Don't be silly, Kaz. Everyone knows the Internet is for porn.

Does this mean that you're another supporter of a minority imposing their dogma on an entire country?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Democracy is a decision making strategy. By voting. It's also a form of government that uses that strategy to make decisions.

You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

Simple minds, simpleminded ideas. That's the left in a nutshell.

Interesting perspective. Government of, by, and for the people is a simpleminded idea.

Have the founders been notified?

Yeah, THAT'S what I was referring to.

You just keep telling yourself that, Punkin. Maybe you'll even be able to believe it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Another conservative icon. Avoid accountability. Avoid responsibility.
What's amazing would be anyone who would believe that a country would work based on irresponsible people with no accountability.

The peak of ignorance.

In other words, I'm right and you're too big a chickenshit to admit it. You may stop waving your white flag now and run along.

You forgot the content again.

No, I can see what your content is, and I always walk around those sorts of things when I find them on the sidewalk.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Is this from the Bible? Constitution? From God's lips direct to your ears? Wikipedia?

Oh I know. The fount of all knowledge, Fox News. Straight out of the Republican propaganda factory.

Good recital.

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. No one can possibly oppose me unless they're listening to Fox and parroting them, and if I just keep repeating that, it'll keep me from having to listen or respond to anyone. Fox, Fox, Fox!"

The only "recital" here is you, Brain Trust, every time you trot out this little speech in the mistaken belief that it fools anyone into thinking that you've said something, or that you're capable of saying something.

Truth is, every time the word "Fox" appears in one of your posts, all we see is, "He's right! I can't answer him! Auuuuggghh! Run away!"

24/7/365 political propaganda, leading the ignorant to blindly support, what's demonstrably damaging to America, offends me.

It's a tyrannical strategy, taking advantage of the vulnerable.

And it almost led to the downfall of America.

Why, exactly, should it be tolerated?

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. Am I fooling anyone? Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox."

Your breathing offends ME. Stop doing so much of it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Damn, if you're trying to make liberals look stupid, you're doing an excellent job, my man. Continuing to make up word definitions when, hello, you have a browser.

Don't be silly, Kaz. Everyone knows the Internet is for porn.

Does this mean that you're another supporter of a minority imposing their dogma on an entire country?

It means I think you're a mouthbreathing shitstain who doesn't know how to use a browser for anything other than locating money shots.

 

[RKMBrown]

Bill of Rights Sixth Article:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That's your right to privacy wrt government forces. WRT privacy between citizens, one is protected by property rights.

That's actually the 4th Amendment, not the 6th.

Further, the amendment simply restrains the government from searching without first obtaining a warrant - it does nothing to address "privacy" per se.

BS, it's the same damn thing.

Privacy is "1b: freedom from unauthorized intrusion." (Websters)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... is the the restriction against the Feds taking your privacy away.

 

[PMZ]

Don't be silly, Kaz. Everyone knows the Internet is for porn.

Does this mean that you're another supporter of a minority imposing their dogma on an entire country?

It means I think you're a mouthbreathing shitstain who doesn't know how to use a browser for anything other than locating money shots.

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[PMZ]

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. No one can possibly oppose me unless they're listening to Fox and parroting them, and if I just keep repeating that, it'll keep me from having to listen or respond to anyone. Fox, Fox, Fox!"

The only "recital" here is you, Brain Trust, every time you trot out this little speech in the mistaken belief that it fools anyone into thinking that you've said something, or that you're capable of saying something.

Truth is, every time the word "Fox" appears in one of your posts, all we see is, "He's right! I can't answer him! Auuuuggghh! Run away!"

24/7/365 political propaganda, leading the ignorant to blindly support, what's demonstrably damaging to America, offends me.

It's a tyrannical strategy, taking advantage of the vulnerable.

And it almost led to the downfall of America.

Why, exactly, should it be tolerated?

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. Am I fooling anyone? Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox."

Your breathing offends ME. Stop doing so much of it.

One of the vulnerable sucked into goostepping for the PARTY.

 

[Cecilie1200]

24/7/365 political propaganda, leading the ignorant to blindly support, what's demonstrably damaging to America, offends me.

It's a tyrannical strategy, taking advantage of the vulnerable.

And it almost led to the downfall of America.

Why, exactly, should it be tolerated?

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. Am I fooling anyone? Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox."

Your breathing offends ME. Stop doing so much of it.

One of the vulnerable sucked into goostepping for the PARTY.

I'm sorry, but I was distracted by that large white flag you're waving. Did you say something?

 

[PMZ]

"Fox, Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox. Am I fooling anyone? Fox, Fox. Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox, Fox."

Your breathing offends ME. Stop doing so much of it.

One of the vulnerable sucked into goostepping for the PARTY.

I'm sorry, but I was distracted by that large white flag you're waving. Did you say something?

Is your entire life one big delusion?

 

[Bern80]

" I have no problem contributing taxes to pay for the constitutionally stipulated duties of government. "

Finally.

Now ditch the delusion that you interpret and enforce the Constitution. Everyone is denied that power except for SCOTUS.

If that principle is ever lifted we'll have 300,000,000,000 different Constitutions to deal with.

When have I ever claimed I have the power to enforce the constitution? Interpreting it is a different matter. Of course I can interpret the constitution. I can read and understand the meaning of words. Therefore I can interpret the constitution all day and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that only SCOTUS is capable of understanding the constitution. That simply isn't the case. The founders also intended for people to be able to understand their rights. There is very little complexity in the constitution that people can't easily understand what it allows and doesn't allow the government to do. The complexity is brought in by people like you who use complexity or broad interprtation to rationalize that which you know the constitution doesn't allow.

"Interpreting it is a different matter. Of course I can interpret the constitution."

People spend their lives studying Constitutional law. And you can best them from the Lazy Boy?

I doubt it, but it doesn't matter. Your interpretation is as irrelevant as mine and all others.

That’s the way things were designed by the founders to be.

You're trying to redesign our government. The majority doesn't agree with you. In fact the number of people who do is getting smaller. They've seen the consequences of ideas like yours.

What ideas like mine specifically? And yet the constitution is taught at a high school level. Too bad you think you're too stupid to understand it.

 

[Bern80]

It's hard to believe that as hard as we commit to education we have failed to this degree.

Under state funded education and democrates catering to teacher's unions? It's not hard to understand at all.

Students learn differently depending on who's paying the teachers? And on whether the teachers negotiate individually or collectively?

Are you against athletes having agents too? How about executives hiring lawyers to do their negotiations. Or anybody who hires a lawyer to negotiate their position in court.

Not a very good comparison. You like so many democrates seem to conveniently forget a key part of the education system. THE CHILDREN. A union's purpose is to represent it's members, which are teachers, not who they teach. It is foolish to assume whatever benefits a union provides to its members will also be good for the students. In fact they are sometimes quite detrimental.

 

[kaz]

Bill of Rights Sixth Article:


That's your right to privacy wrt government forces. WRT privacy between citizens, one is protected by property rights.

That's actually the 4th Amendment, not the 6th.

Further, the amendment simply restrains the government from searching without first obtaining a warrant - it does nothing to address "privacy" per se.

BS, it's the same damn thing.

Privacy is "1b: freedom from unauthorized intrusion." (Websters)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... is the the restriction against the Feds taking your privacy away.

Privacy is protected by the 10th amendment from the Federal government. The 14th then extended those to the States.

If we applied due process and warrants to the IRS and followed the 10th, then almost all government atrocities committed against our privacy would go away.

We got so screwed up in this because the Constitution was written with the assumption the Federal government could only do those enumerated powers it was granted. They turned it around to that they can do anything but what is prohibited. Now they want to add things like "privacy" that were stripped in the process back in. Though only in a selective way, liberals abhor the right to privacy because that would be severe limits on government power if we actually had it. They just want it to apply to abortion and cursing.

That's why it's become such a bastardization of a concept in the law.

 

[PMZ]

When have I ever claimed I have the power to enforce the constitution? Interpreting it is a different matter. Of course I can interpret the constitution. I can read and understand the meaning of words. Therefore I can interpret the constitution all day and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that only SCOTUS is capable of understanding the constitution. That simply isn't the case. The founders also intended for people to be able to understand their rights. There is very little complexity in the constitution that people can't easily understand what it allows and doesn't allow the government to do. The complexity is brought in by people like you who use complexity or broad interprtation to rationalize that which you know the constitution doesn't allow.

"Interpreting it is a different matter. Of course I can interpret the constitution."

People spend their lives studying Constitutional law. And you can best them from the Lazy Boy?

I doubt it, but it doesn't matter. Your interpretation is as irrelevant as mine and all others.

That’s the way things were designed by the founders to be.

You're trying to redesign our government. The majority doesn't agree with you. In fact the number of people who do is getting smaller. They've seen the consequences of ideas like yours.

What ideas like mine specifically? And yet the constitution is taught at a high school level. Too bad you think you're too stupid to understand it.

You wouldn't know that it was taught by some of these posts.

What is taught is that SCOTUS has exclusive responsibility for its interpretation so unless SCOTUS says that a law is unconstitutional, it is Constitutional no matter what any of us think.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Who's kept from understanding anything? And how?

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text

You've never read it. Nazi Pelosi has never read it, Dingy Harry has never read it, OBAMA has never read it.

2000 + pages of utter bureaucratic gobbledegook.

{COMPENSATION- While serving on the business of the Commission (including travel time), a member of the Commission shall be entitled to compensation at the per diem equivalent of the rate provided for level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of tile 5, United States Code, and while so serving away from home and the member’s regular place of business, a member may be allowed travel expenses, as authorized by the Chairman of the Commission. Physicians serving as personnel of the Commission may be provided a physician comparability allowance by the Commission in the same manner as Government physicians may be provided such an allowance by an agency under section 5948 of title 5, United States Code, and for such purpose subsection (i) of such section shall apply to the Commission in the same manner as it applies to the Tennessee Valley Authority. For purposes of pay (other than pay of members of the Commission) and employment benefits, rights, and privileges, all personnel of the Commission shall be treated as if they were employees of the United States Senate. Personnel of the Commission shall not be treated as employees of the Government Accountability Office for any purpose.}

Clear, right Comrade?

Even Texas can't prevent anyone from understanding natural selection despite monumental efforts. You can find how to build a fission bomb on the Internet. There are no secrets.

Look, you have an IQ of what, 70? That, coupled with your 4th grade education makes you a good communist, pliable and stupid; but what you aren't - is qualified to opine on intellectual matters.

 

[PMZ]

Under state funded education and democrates catering to teacher's unions? It's not hard to understand at all.

Students learn differently depending on who's paying the teachers? And on whether the teachers negotiate individually or collectively?

Are you against athletes having agents too? How about executives hiring lawyers to do their negotiations. Or anybody who hires a lawyer to negotiate their position in court.

Not a very good comparison. You like so many democrates seem to conveniently forget a key part of the education system. THE CHILDREN. A union's purpose is to represent it's members, which are teachers, not who they teach. It is foolish to assume whatever benefits a union provides to its members will also be good for the students. In fact they are sometimes quite detrimental.

There is no purpose to education other than students. There are better and worse educators just like everyone else. Unions are one way any worker can debate the value of their contribution with those determined to pay as little as possible.

It has little to do with education.

 

[PMZ]

That's actually the 4th Amendment, not the 6th.

Further, the amendment simply restrains the government from searching without first obtaining a warrant - it does nothing to address "privacy" per se.

BS, it's the same damn thing.

Privacy is "1b: freedom from unauthorized intrusion." (Websters)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated... is the the restriction against the Feds taking your privacy away.

Privacy is protected by the 10th amendment from the Federal government. The 14th then extended those to the States.

If we applied due process and warrants to the IRS and followed the 10th, then almost all government atrocities committed against our privacy would go away.

We got so screwed up in this because the Constitution was written with the assumption the Federal government could only do those enumerated powers it was granted. They turned it around to that they can do anything but what is prohibited. Now they want to add things like "privacy" that were stripped in the process back in. Though only in a selective way, liberals abhor the right to privacy because that would be severe limits on government power if we actually had it. They just want it to apply to abortion and cursing.

That's why it's become such a bastardization of a concept in the law.

" We got so screwed up"

The gospel according to Fox. We're not screwed up. We are, on balance, the greatest country the world has known.

"The Constitution was written with the assumption the Federal government could only do those enumerated powers it was granted"

And that assumption has never been violated. Stating otherwise is pure Republican propaganda for portraying democrat administrations as less competent even than the demonstrated failures of Republicanism.