Profound insight into USSC nominee Neil Gorsuch's opposition to "legislating from the bench"

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Neil Gorsuch made a significant point in his acceptance speech following President Trump's nominating him to the Supreme Court yesterday.

"A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge, stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands.”.

Gorsuch is pointing out that some so-called judges try to substitute their own desires for what they wished the law said, for the fact of what it actually says. Many times a judge will encounter a law he disagrees with. However, it's still the law. And Gorsuch points out that it's the judge's job to obey and enforce that law, not some imaginary code he wishes it says.

Ironically, this very issue came up when now-Chief Justice John Roberts was nominated by W. People pointed out a case where he rendered an opinion. A 12-year-old girl was in a DC subway station with a package of French fries. She ate one while waiting for a train, and a subway cop saw her do it. There was a DC law saying no one can eat anything in a subway station, and there was a sign in this particular station pointing that out. The cop called it in, and some loopy dispatcher sent a squad car. She was cuffed and shoved into the back of the squad car, taken downtown, and went through a lengthy, unpleasant procedure before she was finally wrist-slapped and released to her mother's custody.

It came before the DC Court of Appeals, and Roberts wrote an opinion saying that he was very unhappy about what had happened and considered it grossly excessive. But he then pointed out that the law as written did authorize the police to do what they did, and that the law was duly written and passed by the DC City Council, and so was a legitimate law. (The law was shortly repealed and re-written.)

But here, Gorsuch pointed out that it wasn't the judge's job to ignore or repeal a law he didn't feel was appropriate to the particular case in hand. That was the legislators' job, not the court's. All the judge could do was decide if the law was duly written and enacted by authorized authorities, decide if the accused had indeed violated that law, and decide if the procedure the authorities followed was authorized by that law. If those things were all true, then the judge had no choice but to uphold the law and what the authorities had done, regardless of whether he personally found the result repellent.

Gorsuch was correct. It's up to the lawmakers (whether a local city council or the Congress of the U.S.) to be careful what laws they wrote, and to call for appropriate response for people who violated it. Not the courts' job.

With liberals making crazy laws on every conceivable subject and throwing the weight of government into every corner of people's lives, strict and honest judges like Gorsuch aren't going to like some of the rulings they have to make... as he pointed out yesterday. But they have no choice but to obey and uphold the laws made by those legislators... and hope that the legislators have the smarts to make GOOD laws instead of the kind we too frequently find. The judges can protest and object to the laws, as Roberts did in that case, but only after they follow the law.
 
***NOTE: Roberts' ruling was ironic in light of the fact that he completely reversed himself a few years later in his Opinion when examining the Obamacare mandate, that applied certain penalties to people who didn't sign up for Obamacare. He pointed out that the mandate as written, was completely unconstitutional. But then he went on to say (as was his right as a judge) that if the penalties had been applied as taxes instead of punishments, then they would barely be constitutional, since Congress had the power to tax.

Then Roberts proceed to violate his authority, declaring that he would now change the wording of the law, to call the penalties "taxes" despite the clear wording otherwise in the law. And then he called it Constitutional, without requiring Congress to re-examine the rewritten law and pass it in its new form.

A number of Democrat congressmen who had voted FOR the original Obamacare law with its "penalties", had declared that they would never vote for it if it contained any new taxes. Roberts legislated from the bench, changing its provisions to taxes, and did NOT give the congressmen the chance to change their votes accordingly.

Roberts' claims that a judge should only rule based on what the law actually says, ring hollow in light of his later actions to the contrary.
 
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I know off topic, but I still believe Dem's held something over Roberts with his Obamacare action.
 
Roberts ruling on Obama's ACA, as Kennedy pointed out, was completely beyond his authority.

The Obama administration argued that the monetary penalty for those who did not purchase health care was a 'FINE'. As Kennedy pointed out, a 'fine' is Un-Constitutional, and the case should have been stopped right there with the Obama administration losing, having to change their argument and re-file. Roberts did not do this - he changed the government's argument for them right there on the spot, arguing what the government had meant was a 'Tax'.

No, the Obama administration's argument was clear - they called it a 'Fine'. Changing their argument for them was 'overreach', as Kennedy pointed out.


NEXT Roberts over-stepped his authority again, Kennedy pointed out again. Once the monetary punishment was defined / established as a 'Tax' the case should have stopped right there instead of being allowed to continue. The law states no case against a Tax can be heard until an attempt to collect that tax had been made. None had been made at that point.

This was rather unlike Roberts. (Some pondered the question if Roberts, who was attempting to adopt a foreign child at the time, had been 'influenced' in any way over this fact.)
 
Interesting. We have apparently found yet another important topic that the liberals don't want to discuss. Not a single one has chimed in, despite what they claim is their objections to how Neil Gorsuch makes his decisions.

Could it be that, instead of objecting to Gorsuch's decisions, they are actually trying to create chaos for the U.S. government in general?
 
Neil Gorsuch made a significant point in his acceptance speech following President Trump's nominating him to the Supreme Court yesterday.

"A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge, stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands.”.

Gorsuch is pointing out that some so-called judges try to substitute their own desires for what they wished the law said, for the fact of what it actually says. Many times a judge will encounter a law he disagrees with. However, it's still the law. And Gorsuch points out that it's the judge's job to obey and enforce that law, not some imaginary code he wishes it says.
 
Neil Gorsuch made a significant point in his acceptance speech following President Trump's nominating him to the Supreme Court yesterday.

"A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge, stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands.”.

Gorsuch is pointing out that some so-called judges try to substitute their own desires for what they wished the law said, for the fact of what it actually says. Many times a judge will encounter a law he disagrees with. However, it's still the law. And Gorsuch points out that it's the judge's job to obey and enforce that law, not some imaginary code he wishes it says.
As usual, liberals are afraid to venture any opinion on this. They know they'll lose the debate hands down.
 
You're expecting people accustomed to emotional shrieking to make logical arguments. The case against Gorsuch really boils down to Trump.
 
Gorsuch will be confirmed the same way Scott Pruitt was just confirmed. Change the rules.
 
Gorsuch will be confirmed the same way Scott Pruitt was just confirmed. Change the rules.

I have a feeling Dems will keep their powder dry in case Kennedy or Ginsberg decides to leave the bench.

That's what I would do. Plus, they may get far enough into Trump's term to use the same logic Republicans used to stop Garland from taking the bench.

In 2017 that tactic wouldn't work, but it might in 2019.
 
Gorsuch will be confirmed the same way Scott Pruitt was just confirmed. Change the rules.

I have a feeling Dems will keep their powder dry in case Kennedy or Ginsberg decides to leave the bench.

That's what I would do. Plus, they may get far enough into Trump's term to use the same logic Republicans used to stop Garland from taking the bench.

In 2017 that tactic wouldn't work, but it might in 2019.
By 2019 democrats will be a handful of blacks and whites from two coastal cities.
 
Gorsuch will be confirmed the same way Scott Pruitt was just confirmed. Change the rules.

I have a feeling Dems will keep their powder dry in case Kennedy or Ginsberg decides to leave the bench.

That's what I would do. Plus, they may get far enough into Trump's term to use the same logic Republicans used to stop Garland from taking the bench.

In 2017 that tactic wouldn't work, but it might in 2019.
By 2019 democrats will be a handful of blacks and whites from two coastal cities.

Don't get complacent, that's what sunk progressives in 2016.
 
Neil Gorsuch made a significant point in his acceptance speech following President Trump's nominating him to the Supreme Court yesterday.

"A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge, stretching for results he prefers rather than those the law demands.”.

Gorsuch is pointing out that some so-called judges try to substitute their own desires for what they wished the law said, for the fact of what it actually says. Many times a judge will encounter a law he disagrees with. However, it's still the law. And Gorsuch points out that it's the judge's job to obey and enforce that law, not some imaginary code he wishes it says.

Ironically, this very issue came up when now-Chief Justice John Roberts was nominated by W. People pointed out a case where he rendered an opinion. A 12-year-old girl was in a DC subway station with a package of French fries. She ate one while waiting for a train, and a subway cop saw her do it. There was a DC law saying no one can eat anything in a subway station, and there was a sign in this particular station pointing that out. The cop called it in, and some loopy dispatcher sent a squad car. She was cuffed and shoved into the back of the squad car, taken downtown, and went through a lengthy, unpleasant procedure before she was finally wrist-slapped and released to her mother's custody.

It came before the DC Court of Appeals, and Roberts wrote an opinion saying that he was very unhappy about what had happened and considered it grossly excessive. But he then pointed out that the law as written did authorize the police to do what they did, and that the law was duly written and passed by the DC City Council, and so was a legitimate law. (The law was shortly repealed and re-written.)

But here, Gorsuch pointed out that it wasn't the judge's job to ignore or repeal a law he didn't feel was appropriate to the particular case in hand. That was the legislators' job, not the court's. All the judge could do was decide if the law was duly written and enacted by authorized authorities, decide if the accused had indeed violated that law, and decide if the procedure the authorities followed was authorized by that law. If those things were all true, then the judge had no choice but to uphold the law and what the authorities had done, regardless of whether he personally found the result repellent.

Gorsuch was correct. It's up to the lawmakers (whether a local city council or the Congress of the U.S.) to be careful what laws they wrote, and to call for appropriate response for people who violated it. Not the courts' job.

With liberals making crazy laws on every conceivable subject and throwing the weight of government into every corner of people's lives, strict and honest judges like Gorsuch aren't going to like some of the rulings they have to make... as he pointed out yesterday. But they have no choice but to obey and uphold the laws made by those legislators... and hope that the legislators have the smarts to make GOOD laws instead of the kind we too frequently find. The judges can protest and object to the laws, as Roberts did in that case, but only after they follow the law.
The right wing judges are legislating fro the bench. Neil called it.
 
I know off topic, but I still believe Dem's held something over Roberts with his Obamacare action.
Don't forget these justices are corporate sellouts. Obamacare was a gift to the Healthcare Giants. Big time lobbying group. So of course he saw it in their favor. These right wingers will always side with corporations.
 
The right wing judges are legislating fro the bench. Neil called it.
It wasn't a rightwinger that looked at foreign Constitutions for justification for a ruling. IOW, don't believe the left is immune to such.
 

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