"punks....they always get away"

[jon_berzerk]

You should stay in your lane.

Zimmerman waives pre-trial immunity hearing

maybe you should check your own lane

did you happen to notice

the words "pre trial "

he waived a pre trial motion

he reserved his right for a future time

You are correct.

What people ignore though, is that even if Zimmerman is not entitled to stand your ground immunity, he is still entitled to use self-defense.

yes

SYG is a side issue of self defense

it was not is not appropriate for this case

SYG means you had the chance to retreat and did not

the defense claims that zimmerman did not have that chance

making it a pure self defense case

immunity is yet another issue and is not related to SYG

it is attached to self defense

which would be present in both a classic self defense case

or

a stand your ground case

however zimmerman still holds his right

to an immunity hearing

if he needs one

 

[OODA_Loop]

a stand your ground case

however zimmerman still holds his right

to an immunity hearing

if he needs one

Prove it.

 

[jon_berzerk]

You should stay in your lane.

Zimmerman waives pre-trial immunity hearing

maybe you should check your own lane

did you happen to notice

the words "pre trial "

he waived a pre trial motion

he reserved his right for a future time

Lane checked.

Zim is pleading lawful self-defense of a forcible felony not "Stand your Ground"

SYG is the only oppty for immunity.

yes

however immunity is not related only to STG

 

[OODA_Loop]

immunity is yet another issue and is not related to SYG

it is attached to self defense

Prove it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

maybe you should check your own lane

did you happen to notice

the words "pre trial "

he waived a pre trial motion

he reserved his right for a future time

Lane checked.

Zim is pleading lawful self-defense of a forcible felony not "Stand your Ground"

SYG is the only oppty for immunity.

yes

however immunity is not related only to STG

Yes it is. Sorry.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Lane checked.

Zim is pleading lawful self-defense of a forcible felony not "Stand your Ground"

SYG is the only oppty for immunity.

yes

however immunity is not related only to STG

Yes it is. Sorry.

thanks

 

[OODA_Loop]

yes

however immunity is not related only to STG

Yes it is. Sorry.

thanks

No worries.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Yes it is. Sorry.

thanks

No worries.

the defense only waived pre trial immunity

O'Mara told Nelson there was nothing in the law that required the immunity hearing to occur before Zimmerman's trial and could be requested after prosecutors presented their case.

which they will do

George Zimmerman waives right to pretrial immunity hearing | News - Home

 

[Katzndogz]

maybe you should check your own lane

did you happen to notice

the words "pre trial "

he waived a pre trial motion

he reserved his right for a future time

You are correct.

What people ignore though, is that even if Zimmerman is not entitled to stand your ground immunity, he is still entitled to use self-defense.

And there is no self-defense immunity....it requires a trial.

That's why he is having a trial. A trial in which the prosecution is proving up the defense case for them.

 

[jon_berzerk]

You are correct.

What people ignore though, is that even if Zimmerman is not entitled to stand your ground immunity, he is still entitled to use self-defense.

And there is no self-defense immunity....it requires a trial.

That's why he is having a trial. A trial in which the prosecution is proving up the defense case for them.

and if zimmerman wins that case

or the judge throws it out

after the state rests

zimmerman can still have an immunity hearing

 

[OODA_Loop]

thanks

No worries.

the defense only waived pre trial immunity

O'Mara told Nelson there was nothing in the law that required the immunity hearing to occur before Zimmerman's trial and could be requested after prosecutors presented their case.

which they will do

George Zimmerman waives right to pretrial immunity hearing | News - Home

An SYG hearing is for pre-trial immunity.

 

[OODA_Loop]

And there is no self-defense immunity....it requires a trial.

That's why he is having a trial. A trial in which the prosecution is proving up the defense case for them.

and if zimmerman wins that case

or the judge throws it out

after the state rests

zimmerman can still have an immunity hearing

Nope.

 

[jon_berzerk]

No worries.

the defense only waived pre trial immunity

O'Mara told Nelson there was nothing in the law that required the immunity hearing to occur before Zimmerman's trial and could be requested after prosecutors presented their case.

which they will do

George Zimmerman waives right to pretrial immunity hearing | News - Home

An SYG hearing is for pre-trial immunity.

you are confusing the issue

zimmerman still has a right to an immunity hearing

if he wins his case

or if the judge throws it out

for lack of evidence

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776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the d

STG is no where mentioned in the section

zimmerman waived the "pre -trial" only

 

[OODA_Loop]

the defense only waived pre trial immunity

O'Mara told Nelson there was nothing in the law that required the immunity hearing to occur before Zimmerman's trial and could be requested after prosecutors presented their case.

which they will do

George Zimmerman waives right to pretrial immunity hearing | News - Home

An SYG hearing is for pre-trial immunity.

you are confusing the issue

zimmerman still has a right to an immunity hearing

if he wins his case

or if the judge throws it out

for lack of evidence

------------------------

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the d

STG is no where mentioned in the section

zimmerman waived the "pre -trial" only

There is only pre-trial immunity hearing.

You waive it....you go to trial. Just like Zim.

 

[jon_berzerk]

An SYG hearing is for pre-trial immunity.

you are confusing the issue

zimmerman still has a right to an immunity hearing

if he wins his case

or if the judge throws it out

for lack of evidence

------------------------

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the d

STG is no where mentioned in the section

zimmerman waived the "pre -trial" only

There is only pre-trial immunity hearing.

You waive it....you go to trial. Just like Zim.

yes he waived pre trial

he will not waive pre trial in a civil lawsuit

if one occurs

notice there are two types of court

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

 

[Missourian]

Knowing what you know today, what do you believe will be the outcome of the trial.

THIS IS NOT A ZIMMERMAN TRIAL DISCUSSION THREAD.

Please only discussions pertaining to the poll in this thread.

acquitted.

There was an increase in burgleries in his area, so he followed a stranger to make sure he left the area.

that person attacked him

he responded by pulling his gun and shooting from the ground


Unless someone thinks a teen is badassed enough to jump a man holding a gun

If by some miracle, this all white jury ignores the facts and acquits this slug, Federal charges will follow.

I'm just hoping their aren't race riots between the two cases.

That's not going to happen Joe.

The FBI investigation found NO EVIDENCE that the shooting of Martin was racially motivated.

The investigation is closed.

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[OODA_Loop]

you are confusing the issue

zimmerman still has a right to an immunity hearing

if he wins his case

or if the judge throws it out

for lack of evidence

------------------------

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the d

STG is no where mentioned in the section

zimmerman waived the "pre -trial" only

There is only pre-trial immunity hearing.

You waive it....you go to trial. Just like Zim.

yes he waived pre trial

he will not waive pre trial in a civil lawsuit

if one occurs

notice there are two types of court

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

Arrested and claim SYG = Seek Immunity hearing from trial - Judge decides in hearing which defense must prove SYG

Arrested and claim self-defense = Trial by Jury which prosecution must prove charge. (Can still call for Judge to decide instead of jury after prosecution presents)

Prevail in either = immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action.

 

[jon_berzerk]

There is only pre-trial immunity hearing.

You waive it....you go to trial. Just like Zim.

yes he waived pre trial

he will not waive pre trial in a civil lawsuit

if one occurs

notice there are two types of court

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

Arrested and claim SYG = Seek Immunity hearing from trial - Judge decides in hearing which defense must prove SYG

Arrested and claim self-defense = Trial by Jury which prosecution must prove charge. (Can still call for Judge to decide instead of jury after prosecution presents)

Prevail in either = immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action.

if zimmerman wins in this trial

he gets criminal immunity

he will go back to court

for immunity from civil liability

 

[Katzndogz]

That's why he is having a trial. A trial in which the prosecution is proving up the defense case for them.

and if zimmerman wins that case

or the judge throws it out

after the state rests

zimmerman can still have an immunity hearing

Nope.

Quite right. There is no immunity hearing after trial. Immunity means immunity from prosecution. Not once there has been a prosecution.

 

[OODA_Loop]

yes he waived pre trial

he will not waive pre trial in a civil lawsuit

if one occurs

notice there are two types of court

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

Arrested and claim SYG = Seek Immunity hearing from trial - Judge decides in hearing which defense must prove SYG

Arrested and claim self-defense = Trial by Jury which prosecution must prove charge. (Can still call for Judge to decide instead of jury after prosecution presents)

Prevail in either = immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action.

if zimmerman wins in this trial

he gets criminal immunity

he will go back to court

for immunity from civil liability

Nope again. Statutes give him automatic immunity from civil liability if he prevails criminally.